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moonunit

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I have recieved requests from alot of those who have these genetics now for some descriptions ect to help those growing them. Normaly i release genetics with little to no description to make sure of an un bias feedback, but in this case i think it would be wise for me to post some descriptions of the lines that have gone out as they can be tricky to dial in, the first list is just the zoid and zoid hybrids, i will soon post the rest of the line now out there soon aswell. I am also happy to answer any Q's anyone growing these may have.

zoidfuel f1
This is the origional cross of the origional zoidberry clone to the fof3 male. From seed all within this f1 range should finish under 10 weeks. They
are fast sativa doms and frost young. Another trait found in this line is early calax developement. The calaxs will start to fattening a few at a time
from 4-9weeks moreso than over a shorter period at the end of flowering like alot of cannabis does. They will stretch at least 100% and as much
as 250%, but not as full on as alot of our lines and its more controlablable indoors with techniques such as side lighting or plant training. The high
ranges amongst the expressions from a clear and up high to a more trippy speedy high, the wave onset effect should be found in almost all
examples of this line and the effect duration should be 3+ hours. This is not one for indica fans as it contains almost no indica or body stone at all
except a small bit at the end of the high for some. The flavor and aroma range is quite large with some quite unique and undescribable aromas
and fuel/fruit flavors.
These ladies like to be topped for maximum yield and definately get better with genetic age from seed( dont make selections till second or third
clone run or run long veg times from seed for a true representation of each plant), definately not a commercial producer, but once dialed in can
produce average yield of unique gourmet flowers indoors . The flowers grow long and reasonablely dense but dont carry huge weight, so u need
to flower the plant with many tops to maximise your yield within a given space. They can take usually 80% strength nutes but do just aswell if not
better on 60-70% full nute strength. Thats is not to say that during their life cycle there arent times that they will handle full strength nutes , its just
there are also times they dont like it and sativas generaly prefer lower strengths of the modern nutes. Local water quality also plays a part aswell
as the style of grow, i have found in soild they dont need much at all, in coco they enjoyed coco nutes at 70% and in full hydro they are handling
90-100% in a current tests. They re very harty also in that they wont die easily, but they are tricky to dial in, its sort of a catch 22 with alot of our
lines, they are real survivers, but can be very tricky to dial in. Leaf blades can have width early on but almost all will thin right out by the end of
flower. Dried flowers from this line also benefit hugely from curing, i was quite amazed at the added fruity flavors to the background with only 4
weeks cure. The zoid line can show late nannas, we have worked to get rid of this trait but it will still show under stress, most examples of this trait
have sterile pollen, but some can be very fertile , so if your grow space is a little stresfull, just keep an eye out, the rare hermie can pop up at
sexing, but its rare and needs abit of stress to happen. Thats the price of these genetics , but its well and truely controlable, just keep an eye out.
Thusfar has been quite mould resistant. These beans are very old but some if not most should still pop. Plants usually require support as the
stems are generaly to small in diametre to support the buds. They usually have a harvest window of 2-2.5 weeks depending on growers taste
and phenotype

zoidfuel f2s
This generation was made using an open pollenation of a selection run of 30 f1s, this was done as we also did a selected batch of f2s that have
been worked to f4. The open pollenation batch was done for exploration of the new line and all the genetic material within it, not to refine it at all,
where as the selected f2s led to the refined version still in the works. The description is very much as above with the f1s, but with more variables
and the chance of finding the best and worst the line has to offer. Imho the f2 generation of a hybrid is the most exciting generation, but also the
gen with the most depth and requiring the most work to refine and move on from. These beans are old so germ rates might not be great but some
should still pop, i wanted to get them out there whilst they still have some life left in them, and also to provide a larger playground for the growers
of these to play in so to speak( larger hybrid range to experience). I feel there will be some rare true gems in this gen, hence the reason i sent so
many out.
Currently im planning a 20-40 plant selection from this gen to back cross the f4 back to, as i believe whilst we refined the f4 well, it has lost to
much variance in the process( i value variance in seed lines).

zoidberry f1
This was a cross of the zoidberry clone to an indica dom line we have we call the x line( old no name indica dom line we collected from a outdoor
grower in a mountainous area with low humidity on the east coast), the male used for this cross was so dence it looked like a fem from a small
distance away. This cross was a nice hybrid that produce some very resinous ladies with a lovely range of flavors /aromas. More sturdy to the
other zoid lines due to the indica dom father, but also gained suseptablity to mould and pm from the father aswell, same intersex trait as the other
zoid lies but the full intersex trait showed up with less stress in this line, hence only very selective work has been done with it since. Having said
that it was extremely vigorous and most plants showed no probs, beans of this line were grown in canada and enjoyed very very much ( test
grows from back in the ole cw days), very tall plants also with a bit of gap between the nodes with bigger flower formation than the other zoid lines
with more weight. The right expressions of this line had a very strong high and almost all produced lovely tric fields, much bigger trics than the
other zoid lines aswell.

Zoidberry f1 select x fof3
This was a cross of a selected phenotypical expression of the zoidberry, one we called the tall expression, and the fof3 male. The tall expression
of the zoidberry f1 was a very very vigorous example that whilst having a large nodal gap and big stretch, produce good ammounts of almost
supercharged zoid. The zoid added the trippy nature to this high and the x line father of the zidberry f1 added the raw power, this example was
selected for the zoid high that was strengthened by the x line indica dom father, the indica dom didnt overpower or dominate the zoids trippy high,
it was just intencified and some body added aswell. We liked this example so much we used it in the progeny testing of the pure fuel line that
found us the fof3 male and these are the left over beans of said cross. We havent done to much with these particualr beans, just the work
evaluating fems for the testing of the pure fuel males. So basicaly we have a three way hybrid here cosisting of 25% zoidberry clone( not the f1s
we named zoidberry) , 25% x line indica dom, and 50% pure fuel via the fof3 male. I realy want to search these beans again as one female we
tested had a high that made me feel like i was in a wind tunnel, it was intence and im used to these cannabinoid profiles lol, and i want that
expression back for my own headstash ( occassional smoke, to much of this one would be bad for ones mind lol). On the downside the 25% x
line indica dom adds a density that makes this line also a mould magnet, that was the biggest problem with the x line and a very dominent
problem at that, having said that though, control your humidity and top plants for more smaller nugs and you will be rewarded with good harvest of
mould free lovely nugs with a great high and great power. Great range of aromas ad flavors in this line aswell, beans are old but some should still
pop.

Zoidfuel f4 select x cherry fuel f1 ( 7 males mixed)
This is a cross of the fem zoidfuel f4 pictured in the aussie bred candy thread, and some left over pollen from a cherry fuell project ( 7 mixed
males pollen). Totaly untested, i have some a few weeks old at a friends grow atm but this one is totaly untested. Having said that i think there will
be some great and very very tastey plants amongst this very variable cross. The seeds of this cross arent that great quality( abit immature due to
a security shut down at the site they where grown) and abit fresh but will still mostly germ, i really wanted to get this one out there. plants should go
from 8-12 weeks flower and less with genetic age. Should be some great functional highs in this one and little to no body stone. expect zoidfuel
dom plants and cherryfuel doms with nice mixes in between. It should feed well at about 60-80% strength nutes as do most of our lines and will
almost certainly need training or at least support indoors. This line consists of essentualy, 25% zoidberry clone, 25% cherry mother line and 50%
pure fuel.

More to come soon
Much respect
Moonunit
 

titoon29

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Wowwww

Moon you're the man, i didn't expect such intense reports......Thanks a lot for that, it's really helpful... Sounds amazing !!!!!!
 

Sofator

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hey moon ,really nice to see some new strain over here, we definetely need some of those :) keep up the good work bro
 

moonunit

Member
more grow info

more grow info

Hi just some more important grow info, i will put more up soon aswell, as i want all that have em to get the mst out of them and that means bring up the bad points of the lines and how to avoid them

just some general info

These lines great final product can be hard to reach, but so

worth it. I was recently reminded of this after a friend grew a

flytrap cutting in his small, hot cubboard setup. Im very

used to growing these lines and had forgoten how hard

they can be to get right to begin with. His plant never

finished properly, didn't get as dence, as resinous, as

potent as it could have been for a few reasons i will detail

below with instructions on how to avoid them.

1: This is probably the most important, indoors, do not let
the plants( canopy, over heat the roots and get rot) over heat for long peroids ( more than a day or two and u will see probs), mainly during early to mid flowering. Overheating most of these lines will result in
nanna's. The longer the period of overheating the more
nannas u will get. The nannas will totaly stop appearing 4
days - 1 week after heat levels have returned to normal(
normaly). The nannas can scare the shit out of u, but on
the upside most have nannas with little to no pollen, or
sterile pollen. The occasional one will pop nannas with
potent polen though so watch out. Not all plants in the lines
will pop nannas in heat stress situations, but alot will,
hence the warning. I recently had a small personal grow of
the zoidfuel and flytrap clone pictured in the thread, have a
fan controler malfunction for the 4 days i was away from it,
heating the 4-5 week flowered plants for those 4 days, and
like clockwork both showed nannas. I checked and they
both contained tiny ammounts of viable pollen. I didnt turn
the fans blowing through the canopy off and just plucked a
few of the nannas i could reach. 2 weeks later and there
has been no major signs of pollination, and the buds have
grown over the remaining nannas so they can barely be
seen at all now. I expect to find a few seeds no more than
100 per pound of finished product. Even the friend that over
heated the flytrap amongst other probs only had a few
seeds per oz, it was just no where near the potential that
the clone can reach as far as quality is concerned.

2 Intence lighting during flower can cause most of these
lines flowers to run. By run i mean the classic sativa trait of
new growth spurts on almost mature flowers, resulting in
long foxtails and mix tricombe profiles ( mature and
immature glands on the same flower). The zoidlines
especialy will foxtail indoors even not being to close to the
light, but it has no effect other than bud shape usualy
unless the flowers are to close to the lighting or under to
intence light. The way i have come to deal with this is to
during growth and early to mid flower i keep the lights
slightly higher than i would normaly( only 5-10 cms higher
though), then once the plants start to ripen i move the lights
up a bit at a time till i find the sweet spot that will allow
them to finish with maximum results, these lines do nt like
to ripen properly till the light intencity drops even slightly,
the flytrap cutting will not finish properly unless u do this.

3 The more u push thse lines in terms of accelerated
growth, the more easily 1 and 2 can occur. For example,
the zoidfuel in soil is very hard to stress nannas out of
unless it gets really really hot, where as in a fast growth
inducing hydro system it takes less of a temp spike to
induce any intersex trait if present in a clone of that
example. Again though i like to grow them in both hydro
and soil and coco and a few other methods, u can do it no
probs, u just have to dial your plants from the lines into
your systems, small cramped spaces being the hardest due
to the heat and distance from the lighting( only hid , they
can grow right into fluros ect with no probs)

4 As far as feeding is concerned, the best time to really
push these lines in terms of getting the most out of them
(mostly, can vary) is from mid veg to the start of 12/12,
back off slightly for a week or then build back up again till
just before ripening, making sure to keep the temps under
control. I like to flush for 1-2 weeks but these lines can
produce tastey herbs unflushed indoors with hydro, of
course they are much better with flush and cure but do
better than most unflushed. Also i dont like to get fancy in
terms of feed, just cover your basics with high quality
nutrients, i like the dutchmaster gold nutes for hydro i must
say, even their advance line is good, and just a good
reactive silica , keep the ph in line and everything will be fine.
These lines react very well to training with nice bendable
stems that harden later in flower, i like to scrog them to
control the stretch, and i love the fact that i can flower a
small plant and end up with lovely bush.

These lines as a whole need alot more work (loads already put in too lol) , but still will produce some lovely unique plants, if i held them back till i was satisfied i dont think they would ever get out, hence me sending them out now
To all have recently promised beans, hold tight i hopefully will be sending em out this week, have been flat out with life at the mo, but havent forgoten and will get to it this week. These will be the last beans i send out for a little while, but definately not the last, again sorry for the delay and ty for your patience.
and now some pics of a small personal grow of the zoidfuel cut and the flytrap cut, zoidfuel upfront and the flytrap squished up the back. This is the grow that had the heat for 4 days, got some nannas, but little to no damage from said nannas.














 
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Thanks for the update Moonunit. A lot of what you have put in your last post is common sense for experienced growers, particularly when it comes to heat and light intensity, but essential to younger less experienced growers. What I am particularly impressed with is your openness with the issue that Zoid can produce nanas if stressed. That is a sign of a competent and HONEST breeder. Kudos to you!
For myself, I think this will prove out to be a classic Aussie strain that will eventually have all the hiccups sorted out. Once that happens, look out world, cos the Aussie Zoid line will rock you.
 

Smurf

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There's no ifs or butts, the Zoidfuel f2 beans maybe old with low germ rates but they are quite unique when you take into consideration the genotype. I have to keep reminding myself this is a sativa.
In all honesty I would love some stretch, if only to see a bit of the main stem, hehe... the internodal length is only 2 to 3 mm (1/8 inch) which is exciting to say the least,,, I do expect an increase during prefloral growth (possibly sooner) but as to how much will be interesting.
I love the specimen I have,,, no pinching out of tips, or training in any manner,,, what you see is all natural growth... was in a 4" pot less than 2 wks ago,,, now a 12". Then throw into the equation the crappy weather,, so nothing has been perfect, it doesn't seem to mind the overnight frosts or dew in the mornings.


I'm just waiting so I can take a clone or 2, just looks too good to start taking cuts. As smoking moose said, kudos moonunit.

Almost forgot, this Zoidfuel f2 seed was not scarified,, it was germinated outdoors, & currently growing in a rich organic terra pretta soil. My intentions are to give it another 2 wks then re pot into a 100 liter container. It kind of reminds me of a skunk kush with the medium length petioles & the protruding leaf margin serrations, specially when compared to some other haze/sativa hybrids I have growing.

Much respect moonunit.
 

titoon29

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Hi Moonunit !

thanks a lot for all this info on your lines, that will be useful for sure in the future...
The pictures are also amazing, i love this foxtail profile so much !!!!
Enjoy your grows !

Much much much respect !
 

moonunit

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Hi and ty everyone for the positive responces.
Moose, Hi m8, u are right is is just cmmn sence growing, but these lines are particualy sensitive to these stresses, moreso than normal, also i am just pedantic when it comes to wanting people to get the mst out of these genetics :) , hence the reason i have no probs admitting alot of the lines we have can herm if stressed, it truely is the nature of alot of cannabis from this part of the world due to outdoor farming and breeding practices here and in se asia, but the high is worth the pain lol. Having said that its cntrolable and we are working on it. Ty for all your support too m8, it is appreciated on this end.

Smurf, loovely looking zoid lady there m8, the zoid in the picture was not that stretchy indoors either on its seed run, till it gained some genetic age, now she stretches pretty well. U should get at least 100% stretch come flwering, think a shorter bush with long thin colas shooting out of it :) . Yours has stayed really short though i must say, great to see how shes reacting outdors again after many gens.
The leaf structure will thin out later in flwering and u might see some ziod mutant leaves ( one shrt finger or whle leaf occassionaly). It does have a very strange leaf shape i must say, it cmes from the zoid side of this cross, differnt to most i had worked with till it came along. The leave shape is very dominent in outcrosses with sativas aswell. Gorgeous looking lady though m8, i could stare at that pic for ages, cant wait to see it when it grows up :) .
Titoon
Hi m8, i just want ppl with the beans to get the most out of these lines, so i am happy t give up as much inf as i can, i will get alt mre up in this thread to as i compile it. I love the foxtailing flowers too, the zoid lines tend t do it alot aswell :)
Kind
Hi and ty m8, hoping to spread these genetics further and wider soon.

Much respect
Moonunit
 

KITCHA

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Hey Moon,

Looking very nice, kinda remeinds me of a strain that used to come from S.A they called corn on the cob tested & smoked amazing. Those were the days!
Peace Kitcha(",)
 

titoon29

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Wowwwwaaaaaaaa !!!!

Still in love with this line, i'm almost in heaven when i see those pictures.... I miss the wave effect from the Zoidline so much !!!
And this foxtailing is so amazing, and you re growing them perfectly...
So healthy, full of trichomes, yummy !!!!
Keep the good job mate !!!!!

+++++++ I'm always around !!!
 
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nelumbo

I think I'll love this genetic in the future. seeds are available in france I have heard
 

moonunit

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Hi and ty for the kind words every1. The genetics have been spread to europe, the u.s and the middle east now. From there im hoping cuttings of the best phenotypes are spread further.
The candy cherry fuel is growing in france i have heard and doing well. Its an untested hybrid of the candy line ( bred from an aussie clone only known as candy crossed to cherry sativa line) x with the cherryfuel line ( cherry sativa x fof3). This line has indica in it but should carry some sativa traits late in flowering and in the high department. The indica comes from the origional clone only cut known as candy. I recieved this cut about 4 years ago and began to test it. I found it was a massive yielding indica dom with a sweet berry aroma, great bag appeal, extremely easy to grow, but it had a boring and lackluster stone to it. Also the flavor never matched the aroma. So i crossed it out to the cherry sat line to add flavor and some sativa high. This outcross added the sativa high , blended nicely in the aroma department, but still lacked somewhat in flavor. I selected an indica dom from the first outcross that i believed superior to the original clone only, but showed her positve yield and ease of growth traits from mum aswell. This plant was then hit with pollen from the cherry fuel line in another outcross that im hoping adds the flavor and sativa high whilst retaining the indica dom structure and ease of growth. Thus far all the vegging plants i have seen fit the bill, but it will be interesting to see em flower.
This line is the most likely of all our lines to contain foriegn genetics, as i believe the origional clone only candy was some sort of very old blueberry hybrid. Having said that the line still contains loads of aussie sativa genetics, it has just been selected to grow indica dom with a sativa high.
Anyways ty again all for the kind words and support, it really does mean alot and i appreciate it.
much respect
Moonunit
 

titoon29

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Hey moon !!!!!!

Glad to hear from you... Again, thanks a lot for sharing all this knowledge !
That will be really interesting to see if your second outcross will help for the flavors, and how the sativa high from the fof3 will be maintained !
There should be a lot of interesting phenotypes, and i m pretty confident that the grower will keep the best clone he has to share it ! And it could be interesting to use for future home crosses !
Seeds are not available in France, they just reach it ^^ as gifts to some growers.. Others moon genetics will be grown as well, you should hear from them very soon !

Keep the good job moon, don t change anything :) Thanks !!!!

and to all check my latest smoke report of the Line, in my signature !

Bye !!!!!!!


Titoon
 

titoon29

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Back in Europe, smoking some ECSD, bubba, Amnesia, Cheese... I miss the power of the high and the slight stone of the Zoidline, the Dutch and US genetics are really heavy sometimes ^^
 

Yarkand

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Are you around Holland Titoon ?

If so try to get to the boerenjongens. They mostly have all the same weed but MUCH better grown ! All the trichs be shining back at you :smoke:

Enjoy :wave:
 

titoon29

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Are you around Holland Titoon ?
If so try to get to the boerenjongens. They mostly have all the same weed but MUCH better grown ! All the trichs be shining back at you

Hey yarkand, i'm in france, not far from Holland but still to far ^^ i dont get what you say, they have the ecsd, cheese ? My samples are grown really nice, i ld just love to find some zoid around here but nobody has grown it yet, as far as i know...
Anyway let s stay in the aussie Topic ^^

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