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Aunt Jemima and soon Uncle Ben's

St. Phatty

Active member
it's it's make fun of Cousin It ?

or maybe they celebrate him.

if Cousin It got ROYALTIES from It's It's, I don't think he would complain.
 

hubcap

StackinCalyxs
Veteran
cannibalism is part of our history so why shouldn't we have statues of cannibals eating people in school


If there are any statues about the "original pilgrims" in this country, then, indeed, there are statues of cannibals.
(spoiler: there are statues of "original pilgrims" albeit, none that I know of in schools. Interesting you slipped that caveat in your view...)
I wont insult your intelligence and assume that you know some of the "original" colonies dealt with horrible winters and hostile natives. Of which required them to resort to harsh measures. Who knows? You might even resort to such measures if put in a life and death situation. You don't know you wouldn't unless you've been there. No one would.

orgies are also a part of our history ....

Lest not forget the ever so heady cannibal orgies ....

And how about a homage to human shit over the centuries

wait I forgot rape and to incorporate everything above into a nice wholesome soup


Lame rebuttals that purposely concentrate on the bad aspects of our history, intentionally ignoring the good. Afterall, we all need a reason to be angry in the "woke era." *eye roll*






Other examples cover the likes of Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin.....all of which have owned slaves, which offends ALL of us, for sure, but, let us not purposely ignore the fact that all three have contributed immensely to the very society that we live in and come to take for granted. Contributions to science. To government. etc..etc.....
Hell, by modern definition they were traitorous terrorists due to their revolt against British rule. Thankfully, for us, they were successful.
I know, crazy, right?


But, Im sure you'll still complain about the freedoms and foundations they laid that gave rise to the strongest nation this planet has ever seen. And while NO empire lasts for ever, if I had to choose an empire to be a part of, it would be one with laws and one that rewards hard work and perseverance. While, imperfect, indeed, and at times unjust, it still beats a Marxist dictatorship that many of these statue accosters long for. They'd all be jailed, or worse, if they pulled these stunts in a world that they profess to desire. Talk about shooting your own pinky toe...
At least with this form of government -WE- have the opportunity to better ourselves. And ripping down statues does NOTHING to achieve that goal. For example.....will ripping down Teddy Roosevelt do a damn thing to change the problems police brutality in this country?
Hardly.






I wont even expand on the idiocy in Wisconsin and the statues they tore down in their state house. Whatta buncha morons! You'd call em morons, too, if you actually knew anything about the statues they tore down.






I don't want to get into any pissing contests, and Im certainly not here to argue over only the BAD aspects of US history.
I DO want to encourage more people to focus on the GOOD. Because, frankly, there are plenty of examples of good. Even by "bad" people.


Ripping down statues of dead people are going to do nothing TANGIBLE to change what you are upset about. It'll just make you feel better cuz you think youre "sticking it to the man."



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flylowgethigh

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The Taliban blew up those two huge ancient carvings, buddas of Bamiyan, in the mountains of Afganistan. That was pretty fucked up.

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Man, if only the middle east hadn't gotten so screwed up, mostly by the USA, but with a good bit of help from religion... it would have been a modern day dopers mecca.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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Mt Rushmore might look like that soon - once the 'woke' cultural marxists have had a dynamite party there -



The Taliban blew up those two huge ancient carvings, buddas of Bamiyan, in the mountains of Afganistan. That was pretty fucked up.

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Man, if only the middle east hadn't gotten so screwed up, mostly by the USA, but with a good bit of help from religion... it would have been a modern day dopers mecca.
 

audiohi

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Mt Rushmore might look like that soon - once the 'woke' cultural marxists have had a dynamite party there -


trump has got a corona dynamite party all lined up for a 4th of July celebration.



Mount Rushmore firework environmental review shows 60% wildfire risk, water, damage, tribal concerns
https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/mount-rushmore-firework-environmental-review-shows-60-wildfire-risk-water-damage-tribal-concerns/

MOUNT RUSHMORE NATIONAL MEMORIAL, S.D. (KELO) — The environmental study is done and it shows impacts to water, wildlife, tribal relations and the monument itself if fireworks return to Independence Day celebrations in 2020, as planned.

'woke' cultural marxists indeed
 

White Beard

Active member
That's Liberalism.
You wouldn't think it by its name, but Neoliberalism is like the super evil hooker girlfriend of neoconservatives. Seriously pro business at all costs. Let them eat cake, then we'll eat them type of evil.
Virtually no distinction to be made between ‘neoliberals’ and ‘neoconservatives’ as ‘neoliberal’ is what the neoconservatives used to call themselves.

OTOH, we’re discussing a branding issue about a product that is “easy food for lazy people”...and I totally don’t get why anyone would give a fart about branding unless they found *either* the old or the new brand offensive for some reason...so, a business consideration

Here's something from my childhood - and every Brit old enough should remember Robertson's Jam - and the Robertson's 'Golly's' -

The deal was that for every jar of Robertson's jam you bought - you would get a little paper Golly - you saved up 10 paper Gollys then you could send off for a Golly badge/pin - then you would get the badge by post - and can eventually acquire a whole set of Gollys - if you bought enough jam -

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- I wonder if 'Snow White' will go the same way as the Gollys? - into history -
Never thought of “Snow White” as a meditation on the power of whiteness...are there old beloved tales of Golly in Britain?

You can't compare parties in that historical context.

Yesterday's Republicans are today's Democrats. And vice versa.

Lincoln would be a Democrat today.
As Don Juan DeMarco might say, some people have a limited grasp of the situation...

In the UK they are going after Gandhi's statue/monument now and Winston Churchill's -

- which is downright bloody ridiculous -

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Will not pretend I understand, nor will I pretend I have an opinion

Mt Rushmore might look like that soon - once the 'woke' cultural marxists have had a dynamite party there -
You seem to be taking in a lot of US political manipulation from the so-called “right” lately; it seems...out of character? (Yeah, like I have deep insight into that or something). Anyway, you should know that “cultural Marxism” is bullshit, another “red-pill” fantasy to keep the angry young “conservative patriots” feeling their own kind of “woke” - not totally unlike the QANON crapfest.

Likewise, the “where will it stop?” fantasy wagon. There is NO CALL to tear down monuments of the Founders, or legitimate historical figures honored. The comparison to monuments to Nazi figures in Germany is extreme but not inappropriate; the difference is that the confederate individuals so “honored” fought a war against the United States to preserve and extend slavery, killed many, and LOST...at least, theoretically. Does Britain contain multiple public monuments to Cromwell and the Roundheads? At any rate, we have a number of major military installations here that are named for Confederate Generals (some of whom weren’t even good at the job), and the bulk of the statues and other monuments are likewise of Confederate generals, of Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy, and to Honored Dead...who, like I said, conducted a murderous war against the US for the preservation of slavery. Famous segregationists/slavery apologists/secessionists/slave-traders.

Important to remember when the bulk of these ‘memorials’ were erected, and where: most of them were put up in the 1920s, following release of the film “Birth of A Nation”, based on a book entitled “The Klansman”...which created a HUGE backlash *against* black communities, which got to host most of these monuments, no the tune of a resurgent Ku Klux Klan, renewed frequency of lynchings, and the further solidification of Klan/Jim Crow control of the southern states in particular.

NONE of these men so memorialized were “American heroes”. The message of these monuments was - and still is - “we’re still here, and we’re still watching you - and we ain’t forgot”. All of these men fought against the United States, and all of them fought to preserve slavery, and all of them lost. I don’t know of a nation, ANY nation, that pretends to glorify and recognize public failures who rejected the nation that ‘honors’ them...but then, I don’t know everything.

I DO know that the only people talking about tearing down statues to Franklin, Washington, etc are people like Hannity, Carlson, Limbaugh, Breitbart, and their fellow-travelers. Nobody on “the left” is having that conversation where anyone can hear them. It’s all coming from the fetid minds of the Professional American Patriots(tm).


Back to the main subject of branding, I went looking and found this:
It was actually two white guys, Chris L. Rutt and Charles Underwood, who came up with the idea to create a ready-mixed, self-rising pancake flour with a Black woman's face on the box. Rutt came up with the name after watching a white actress perform in blackface during a ministrel show. During her performance, she sang a song called "Old Aunt Jemima" and he thought the name had a ring to it.

They filed the "Aunt Jemima" trademark in 1893, but the Aunt Jemima pancake mix did not debut until 1889. At that time, Rutt and Underwood had sold the brand to the R.T. Davis Milling Company in St. Joseph, Missouri, who decided to hire a model to be the face of Aunt Jemima. Nancy Green was the woman they hired, and the product was an instant hit across the country.

(The dating is questionable re: trademark and all, but the rest checks out -WB)

So, no: there never was an actual Aunt Jemima who went into the pancake business...just like there was never a black “Uncle Ben” who converted rice...same with “Mrs. Butterworth”...hell, “Betty Crocker” was never real, either. All marketing - branding, specifically - in service of the manufacturers of industrial food products (margarine, velveeta, spaghetti-os, etc) trying to gain a foothold in the market against (ahem) REAL food.

So, companies retire images you have an attachment to. So what? Why invest in finding someone to *blame* for it? Improvise. Adapt. Move on. Nothing to see here.
 

troutman

Seed Whore
This food name changing thing is getting mental. I guess buying white bread will be seen as racist now.
I don't like whole wheat bread. What are they going to call chocolate bars, French fries and English muffins?

I won't discriminate against good snacks. :biggrin:
 

flylowgethigh

Non-growing Lurker
ICMag Donor
I was at the deli counter of the local chain market, having a nice roast beef sandwich made by a young black woman. When it was time to put on the cheese, I ask if we need to change the name of "white american". She snickered.

So what about that crooner's Christmas song "White Christmas"?

They should take dope off the fed schedule I, so there will be no "black market".
 

Gry

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Always loved the fact that White Christmas was penned by a man of Jewish extraction.
We had it made here !
 

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