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Attacks Leave at Least 129 Dead in Paris

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Storm Shadow

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more antisemitic nonsense.

the antisemitic people love to argue that the actual Jews are not the "real" Jews...

The Muslims say we are descendants of pigs and monkeys; some Christian denominations say we are damned; others say we are really Khazars, others say Africans are the real Jews; others say it is the Native Americans who are the real Jews...

all these claims and not even one millimeter of proof.

none of the people claiming to be the "real" Jews know anything about Judaism to begin with, they didn't keep Hebrew alive for 1000s of years, they didn't bring Hebrew back to life after it being considered a dead language. None of them know the oral tradition and the specific songs and melodies; I could go on and on...

stop with the jealousy already, player hater.

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Peace from Jerusalem.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Thirteenth-Tribe-Empire-Heritage/dp/0445042427

The Thirteenth Tribe: The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage

Many Zionist propagandists have long attempted to cast aspirations and insults on the intellectual Mr. Koestler who wrote his book in 1976 on the basis of history, archaeology, and likely most crucially of all DEMOGRAPHICS (i.e. there is NO logical way to explain the large size of the Eastern European Jewish population at the start of the 20th century CE without the Khazarian hypothesis!) and today Koestler has been proven to be CORRECT in the newest and definitive genetic study on the issue by Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik, Ph.D.

gbe.oxfordjournals.org from the prestigious Peer-Reviewed scientific journal Genome Biology and Evolution published by Oxford University Press on behalf of The Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution
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"The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses" by Dr. Eran Elhaik

Abstract:

The question of Jewish ancestry has been the subject of controversy for over two centuries and has yet to be resolved. The "Rhineland hypothesis" depicts Eastern European Jews as a "population isolate" that emerged from a small group of German Jews who migrated eastward and expanded rapidly. Alternatively, the "Khazarian hypothesis" suggests that Eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, an amalgam of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries CE and converted to Judaism in the 8th century. Mesopotamian and Greco-Roman Jews continuously reinforced the Judaized empire until the 13th century. Following the collapse of their empire, the Judeo-Khazars fled to Eastern Europe. The rise of European Jewry is therefore explained by the contribution of the Judeo-Khazars. Thus far, however, the Khazars' contribution has been estimated only empirically, as the absence of genome-wide data from Caucasus populations precluded testing the Khazarian hypothesis. Recent sequencing of modern Caucasus populations prompted us to revisit the Khazarian hypothesis and compare it with the Rhineland hypothesis. We applied a wide range of population genetic analyses to compare these two hypotheses. Our findings support the Khazarian hypothesis and portray the European Jewish genome as a mosaic of Near Eastern-Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries, thereby consolidating previous contradictory reports of Jewish ancestry. We further describe a major difference among Caucasus populations explained by the early presence of Judeans in the Southern and Central Caucasus. Our results have important implications for the demographic forces that shaped the genetic diversity in the Caucasus and for medical studies.

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Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews

(AFP) - Jan 16, 2013

PARIS -- Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study.

The investigation, its author says, should settle a debate that has been roiling for more than two centuries.

Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.

According to the so-called Rhineland Hypothesis, Ashkenazis descended from Jews who progressively fled Palestine after the Moslem conquest of 638 AD.

They settled in southern Europe and then, in the late Middle Ages, about 50,000 of them moved from the Rhineland in Germany into eastern Europe, according to the hypothesis.

But detractors say this idea is implausible.

Barring a miracle --which some supporters of the Rhineland Hypothesis have in fact suggested -- the scenario would have been demographically impossible.

It would mean that the population of Eastern European Jews leapt from 50,000 in the 15th century to around eight million at the start of the 20th century.

That birth rate would have been 10 times greater than that of the local non-Jewish population. And it would have occurred despite economic hardship, disease, wars and pogroms that ravaged Jewish communities.

Seeking new light in the argument, a study published in the British journal Genome Biology and Evolution, compares the genomes of 1,287 unrelated individuals who hail from eight Jewish and 74 non-Jewish populations.

Geneticist Eran Elhaik of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, trawled through this small mountain of data in search of single changes in the DNA code that are linked to a group's geographical origins.

Such telltales have been used in past research to delve into the origins of the Basque people and the pygmy people of central Africa.

Among European Jews, Elhaik found ancestral signatures that pointed clearly to the Caucasus and also, but to a smaller degree, the Middle East.

The results, said Elhaik, give sound backing for the rival theory -- the "Khazarian Hypothesis."

Under this concept, eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, a hotchpotch of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries AD and, influenced by Jews from Palestine, converted to Judaism in the 8th century.

The Judeo-Khazars built a flourishing empire, drawing in Jews from Mesopotamia and imperial Byzantium.

They became so successful that they sent offshoots into Hungary and Romania, planting the seeds of a great diaspora.

But Khazaria collapsed in the 13th century when it was attacked by the Mongols and became weakened by outbreaks of the Black Death.

The Judeo-Khazars fled westwards, settling in the rising Polish Kingdom and in Hungary, where their skills in finance, economics and politics were in demand, and eventually spread to central and western Europe, according to the "Khazarian Hypothesis."

"We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations including Judaised Khazars, Greco-Roman Jews, Mesopotamian Jews and Judeans," says Elhaik.

"Their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga, with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan."

Many things are unknown about the Khazars, whose tribal confederation gathered Slavs, Scythians, Hunnic-Bulgars, Iranians, Alans and Turks.

But, argues Elhaik, the tale sketched in the genes is backed by archaeological findings, by Jewish literature that describes the Khazars' conversion to Judaism, and by language, too.

"Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language" before being reclassified as High German, he notes.

Another pointer is that European Jews and their ancestral groups in the Caucasus and Middle East share a relatively high risk of diseases such as cystic fibrosis.

The investigation should help fine-tune a fast-expanding branch of genomics, which looks at single-change DNA mutations that are linked with inherited disease, adds Elhaik.

Copyright © 2013 AFP.
 

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more antisemitic nonsense.

the antisemitic people love to argue that the actual Jews are not the "real" Jews...

The Muslims say we are descendants of pigs and monkeys; some Christian denominations say we are damned; others say we are really Khazars, others say Africans are the real Jews; others say it is the Native Americans who are the real Jews...

all these claims and not even one millimeter of proof.

none of the people claiming to be the "real" Jews know anything about Judaism to begin with, they didn't keep Hebrew alive for 1000s of years, they didn't bring Hebrew back to life after it being considered a dead language. None of them know the oral tradition and the specific songs and melodies; I could go on and on...

stop with the jealousy already, player hater.

:tiphat:

Peace from Jerusalem.

Jealously???? Antisemitic?????? Never that, lies are easily absorbed, the truth hurts when it's spoken! The many of the true people of Israel were scattered across the earth (King Nebuchadnezzar) and their skin colors were very diverse, not just white.

If you take a baby from Japan and never teach them anything about their culture let's see how much they'd know about it, how much Japanese would they speak or even be able to translate? Your point made no sense to me and maybe I shouldn't have used the Japanese race in my example either I might get called a racist for that too! Since you're from Israel what do they call really call arabs and black people over there? You may not use the word yourself but be honest you are from the Holy Land. I know people that have had a first hand experience and they're not the type to lie about something like that.
 

bombadil.360

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Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.


LOL, quite an statistic; sadly for you, it is a lie, like most of the Khazar theory...

it is a known fact that a big part of the royal families of the Khazars converted to Judaism, not in the 8th century, but in the 13th century... they do not account for most of the Ashkenazi populations anyway...

but lets say that all Ashkenazis come from the Khazars just for fun; so what? in Judaism, a convert is as much of a Jew as someone born a Jew; in fact, one of the 613 commandments (mitzvots) for Jews is 'To Love Converts'.

How come your little propaganda book does not tell the story of the millions of refugees of Jews from Middle-East countries that were kicked out in the last 150 years? :chin: hint: the number is greater than all the so-called Palestinians alive today. :comfort:

the whole Khazar theory is a bunch of antisemitic propaganda; accusing people who have converted to Judaism to be 'fake Jews'... In Judaism it is even forbidden to remind a convert that he is a convert to begin with...

another fun fact: according to genetic studies, the "Eve" or Mother genetic code for most Ashkenazi Jews is considered to be non-Jewish, so we often jokingly tease married Ashkenazi couples that their marriage is not valid, they need to convert to marry according to Jewish law... old joke, good to bust people's balls with, but halachically incorrect.

what other Jew-hating lies will you post next, Stormy boy?
 

bombadil.360

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Jealously???? Antisemitic?????? Never that, lies are easily absorbed, the truth hurts when it's spoken! The many of the true people of Israel were scattered across the earth (King Nebuchadnezzar) and their skin colors were very diverse, not just white.

If you take a baby from Japan and never teach them anything about their culture let's see how much they'd know about it, how much Japanese would they speak or even be able to translate? Your point made no sense to me and maybe I shouldn't have used the Japanese race in my example either I might get called a racist for that too! Since you're from Israel what do they call really call arabs and black people over there? You may not use the word yourself but be honest you are from the Holy Land. I know people that have had a first hand experience and they're not the type to lie about something like that.


what truth have you spoken except for a bunch of antisemitic nonsense? care to provide proof to your claims or just more babbling?

the only Black Jews are Ethiopian Jews, descendants of Queen of Sheba and King Solomon.

There's also a small tribe in Zimbabwe who claim to be Jews, and are going through a long conversion process so that they can come to Israel if they so wish.

pray tell, how do we call Arabs and Blacks in Israel? Arabs are usually referred to as Cousins, and Blacks as Kushites.

Cousins since we are related through Abraham, father of both Ishmael and Isaac.

Kushites since in Hebrew literature, Black Africans come from the ancient kingdom of Kush.

sure, in Israel there are racist people, just like everywhere else in the world, Israel is not a perfect society, but to conclude that since there are some racist people in Israel, that means the actual Jews are not the real Jews is just plain antisemitic nonsense.

try harder next post, Truthful Lies.
 

bombadil.360

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The same DEFECTIVE convert and conquer dynamic exists in every active religion including Christianity and Judaism.


as far as Christianity goes, yes, there are some denominations that are about conquer and convert; but can you give us only one example in history that Judaism is trying to conquer and convert the whole world?

no, you can't, as it does not exist such an example.

have the Jews gone into Asia, Europe and the Americas with missionaries? trying to convert Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Agnostics or Atheists?

:chin:

no, they have not.

are Jews worried about territories other than present day Israel as their home-land? no, they are not.

do Jews claim that Spain is theirs because Jews lived there? no they don't.

on the other hand, do Muslims think Spain belongs to them because it was once under Muslim control? yes, they do, as in Islam, any land that was conquered by them remains theirs regardless if they have lost control over it or not.

any more lies about Jews, Weirdo?
 
Notice how Netanyahu has taken advantage of the anti-muslim sentiment engendered by the Paris attacks to announce the building of hundreds of new Jewish houses on Palestinian land in East Jerusalem?

are Jews worried about territories other than present day Israel as their home-land? no, they are not.

Yes they are; what about the Jews trying to take the Palestinian state off the Palestinians?
 
when did this turn into an israel jew thread? i thought we were talking about "terrorists"?

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