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Atlanta article on Interstate "profiling," but they deny thats what it is.

SomeGuy

668, Neighbor of the Beast
Atlanta Journal Constitution



Lt. Steve Bannister’s police cruiser idles on the shoulder of I-85 as he eyes traffic whizzing past.

“We’ll find something,” he says confidently.

Any one of the passing vehicles could be transporting drugs, weapons or money. Wads of cash could be stashed in a shoe box under the driver’s seat. Cocaine could be squirreled away in a spare tire, a secret compartment, a door panel.

Bannister has seen it all.

Just since February, he and the other two officers in the Jefferson Police Department’s criminal patrol unit have seized about 8 pounds of cocaine, more than 60 pounds of marijuana and more than $200,000 in assets.

All this on a 2.5-mile section of I-85 in Jackson County about 60 miles northeast of Atlanta.

Authorities say metro Atlanta and its surrounding counties are situated along an interstate system exploited by drug smugglers.

And a growing number of Georgia law enforcement agencies are forming specialized teams of officers to intercept them. Jefferson and Gwinnett County formed units earlier this year.

In its first eight months of operation, the six-member Gwinnett Highway Interdiction Team seized more than $12 million worth of drugs and arrested more than 60 people on a variety of charges, Sgt. Jim Price said.

“Honestly, I think that’s more than we ever expected,” the supervisor said.

The Georgia State Patrol started a criminal interdiction unit on a full-time basis in 2003 that is now staffed with 13 troopers. Similar squads now operate in Banks, Henry, Franklin and Lowndes counties and the cities of Braselton, Commerce and Gainesville.

By all indications, there’s plenty of work to go around.

The Office of National Drug Control Policy has identified Atlanta as the “new Miami” for drug trafficking and designated the counties around it as high-intensity drug trafficking areas, or HIDTA.

Jack Killorin, the director of the Atlanta HIDTA program, began coordinating a nationwide crackdown on the interstates in 2006. Initially he worked just with state law enforcement agencies. But Killorin says the program is increasingly reaching out to police agencies at the county and city level.

“Many of these efforts are kind of starting up now, and we’ll reach out and embrace them if they’ll do the right thing,” Killorin said.

The right thing is to take part in shared planning with federal and state law enforcement agencies and provide information on seizures and intelligence, he said.

“We’ve got to collect the dots to be able to connect the dots,” Killorin said.

Authorities say most of the large drug shipments come from Mexico and flow east into Atlanta along I-20. From there, the smugglers follow I-75, I-85 and I-985 north. They return along the same routes with large amounts of cash.

What makes the highway interdiction teams different from ordinary patrol officers is their training and equipment. Officers often travel with drug-sniffing dogs and tactical weapons. Some carry special equipment such as video scopes, flexible sticks with a camera on the end that can maneuver behind car panels and dashboards to see what eyes can’t.

Highway interdiction officers stress that they are focused not only on drugs, but “all crimes, all threats, all hazards,” which could mean anything from terrorism to road racing, Killorin said.

The officers are taught to “look beyond the ticket” after they pull over a driver for a traffic violation, said Lt. Kermit Stokes, who supervises the Georgia State Patrol’s criminal interdiction unit.

They look for drug paraphernalia in plain view and smell for the odor of marijuana. They hone in on inconsistent statements from drivers and passengers.

Unusually nervous behavior could be a signal that something is awry.

“People can’t control their bodies,” said Price, the supervisor of the Gwinnett interdiction unit. “Their bodies will tell the story of what they’re doing.”

Jefferson police Officer Johnny Wood says he often asks drivers simple questions such as where they’ve been, where they’re going and where they stayed on the way. Conflicting statements or stories that don’t make sense could prompt him to request permission to search the car.

Once, Wood said, a driver claimed a female passenger was his mother. When asked whether his mother spoke English, the driver replied, “I don’t know,” Wood said.

“That’s a pretty good indication that it was not his mother,” Wood said.

Even if the driver refuses a search of the vehicle, the law allows police to use a drug-sniffing dog to smell the air around it. If the dog indicates the presence of drugs in the car, police gain probable cause to search it.

Interdiction officers say their methods don’t involve profiling —- drug traffickers are too smart for that anyway. Smugglers have been known to send lookout vehicles ahead to gauge police activity along their route.

“It’s a cat and mouse game,” said Lou Solis, Braselton’s assistant police chief.

Drug smugglers exploit any weakness in the system, and they alter their methods to stay a step ahead, he said.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that police can stop cars for minor traffic violations even if they have another motive, such as a drug investigation, defense attorney Herb Shafer said.

Yet Shafer says overzealous officers often abuse their powers —- trampling constitutional rights that protect citizens from unreasonable search and seizure.

“Once there’s a traffic violation they’re given the license to do whatever they want, and they exercise that license,” Shafer said.

Charles Wrinkle, a Gwinnett defense attorney, said police will use anything to justify a traffic stop.

“My brother is a sheriff. He told me, ‘I guarantee you if I follow somebody for five miles, they’ll do something wrong,’ ” Wrinkle said.

Gwinnett’s interdiction team pulled over one of Wrinkle’s clients last month. A dog detected narcotics in the car, and 2 kilograms of cocaine was found inside. The reason for the stop? He was driving too slow.

“It’s got to go back to why was the car pulled over. They’re not doing it for traffic control, they’re doing it to search the car,” Wrinkle said. “It’s just a way to do profile stops on the interstate.”

Price, the head of the Gwinnett unit, said his officers follow the law.

“What gets people in trouble is when they let integrity lapse because they want to make a case,” Price said. “None of these cases are worth trying to skirt the limits.”

There’s no denying, however, that drug interdiction is a profitable venture. Police make no apologies for it.

Jefferson police have used drug forfeiture money to help buy two sport utility vehicles. Federal rules mandate that money seized from drug investigations can be used only for training, equipment and public relations. Jefferson police plan to designate some money toward officer training and community outreach programs about drug abuse, Chief Joseph Wirthman said.

The Braselton Police Department has used drug forfeiture money to build a shooting range and a $350,000 live shoot house where officers can practice on targets. The money also bought a fleet of Dodge Chargers, Solis said.

“Budgets are tight, so this is where police departments are getting money,” Solis said. “The drug dealer is paying for a lot of stuff.”
 
Why would they get to use this forfeiture money? That is pathetic. Put it to good use like our education system. Nope lets put in a $350,000 shooting range. Or.. hrm hey what about a school?!?

Un-fucking-real.
 

Lord Doobie

Member
The one I read about profiling in FLA 10 years ago considered:

2 black males
out of state plates
large car
speeding (!)

remedy?

1 mime driving a yugo
 

dirkdaddy

Member
I've been through ATL a few times. they have these freaky F.I.N.D units solely dedicated to detecting/finding drugs (says so right on the side of the car) all equipped with dogs and shit. they sit right outside the city on I-20. scary stuff.

and this is a minor point but if the drugs flow from Mexico then how could Atlanta be considered the new "Miami"? Just outside of Houston a few years ago they busted a trailer with 50,000lb's of mexicos finest. plus the size of Houston's port seems like Atlanta is simply a far away way station for the east coast compared to Houston.

I just think these southern bigots in Atlanta get off on busting minorities.
 

whodi

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"Even if the driver refuses a search of the vehicle, the law allows police to use a drug-sniffing dog to smell the air around it. If the dog indicates the presence of drugs in the car, police gain probable cause to search it."

smell the air around it? How would you work around this? And what if the dog just starts going crazy on the tire cuz it smells another dogs scent on it..
 

dirkdaddy

Member
whodi said:
"Even if the driver refuses a search of the vehicle, the law allows police to use a drug-sniffing dog to smell the air around it. If the dog indicates the presence of drugs in the car, police gain probable cause to search it."

smell the air around it? How would you work around this? And what if the dog just starts going crazy on the tire cuz it smells another dogs scent on it..
these dogs are trained like no other. courts would never recognize the validity of dogs in searches unless they are very effective and reliable. they are trained only to freak out when they smell drugs, not other dogs, peanut butter, rawhide, dog piss, or whatever.
 

whodi

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well what if you are transporting.. what's the best way to prevent the 'air around it' from smelling like it.. outside the car. As long as it's in the car then the 'air around the car' wont smell?
 

Lord Doobie

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dogs can smell drugs even from the outside...any reaction from a drug dog is probable cause

wear gloves and gently place your pot into large plastic bags that can be sealed air-tight without any pot having touched the outside of the bag

completely seal your goods...air-tight...then wash your hands and throw away the gloves...you'll have to be meticulous

or variations thereof...possibly using a common smell like boot polish or chicken fat on the outside of the bags to help mask the odor...you get the idea :rasta:
 
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dirkdaddy

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no way to get around dogs. they smell in a totally different way than we do. they can literally identify each tiny smell in a particle of air (i.e. they smell each smell of the air individually, if that makes any sense). the smell of any drug seeps out into the "open air" so to speak no matter how tightly it is sealed. here is quote from this howstuffworks article on drug dogs. seems like the person was pretty damn careful but it did not matter.

"Breston uncovered a shipment of marijuana in heat-sealed Mylar bags, inside plastic-lined crates sealed with foam sealant, inside a closed storage garage."

http://people.howstuffworks.com/police-dog4.htm
 

Lord Doobie

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no way to get around dogs. they smell in a totally different way than we do. they can literally identify each tiny smell in a particle of air (i.e. they smell each smell of the air individually, if that makes any sense). the smell of any drug seeps out into the "open air" so to speak no matter how tightly it is sealed. here is quote from this howstuffworks article on drug dogs. seems like the person was pretty damn careful but it did not matter.

"Breston uncovered a shipment of marijuana in heat-sealed Mylar bags, inside plastic-lined crates sealed with foam sealant, inside a closed storage garage."

http://people.howstuffworks.com/police-dog4.htm

the bags and crates were simply mishandled, put together with pot on their hands, had a pinhole, or not completely sealed...you can't defy the laws of physics and particulates in the air

also consider the fact that LEO wants to show the public how great dogs work and publish busts all the time to prove their point...we could do the same and publish how much dogs have missed...but obviously don't

I've already proven this with a drug dog at an airport...like I said, you have to be not just careful...meticulous
 
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SomeGuy

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the bags and crates were simply mishandled, put together with pot on their hands, had a pinhole, or not completely sealed...you can't defy the laws of physics and particulates in the air

You have a point and I've often thought about it. I figure that EVERYTHING I own has a certain amount of particles on it just given the fact that I handle it and smoke it nearly everyday. I remember reading something a few years back that said that 90% of the cash in circulation at any given time is tainted with one drug or another.

About 3 out of 5 of the last trips I've taken my luggage has been searched and returned, mostly on the return home. I always figured a dog hit on it because the crap in it was worn while smoking and handling it, but who knows what goes on in the back.
 

hamstring

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About 3 out of 5 of the last trips I've taken my luggage has been searched and returned, mostly on the return home. I always figured a dog hit on it because the crap in it was worn while smoking and handling it, but who knows what goes on in the back.[/QUOTE]


This is a good point that was discussed on another thread. A dog cannot tell the difference between something that had pot near it and something that actually has pot in it. I hope more lawyers attack this because in my mind a warrant should not be issued solely on the fact that a dog hits on MJ smell. That in no way is proof that MJ is actually there.
Can you imagine an old lady getting beat down and tasered in the airport because a dog smelled pot on something she bought while checking out the Tulip festival in Holland?

Dogs hit on the smell of MJ only they have no way of distinguishing between MJ and just its smell.
PEACE
 

whodi

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what if you had a skunk smell on your car.. from a skunk.. would the dog hit on it and think it's Mj or no?
 

Lord Doobie

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whodi has a future in standup :muahaha:
the short answer is no because they haven't been trained to detect skunks...only popular drugs

I and others have noticed some misinformation on this site
I certainly don't know it all by any means nor do I pretend to

Grandma probably wouldn't be thrown down and cuffed because the police have more sense especially concerning the elderly. They would simply pull her aside and open her bags to find the source of the dogs excitement...knowing already it's probably something her grandchildren had to do with...a smokey sweater...a gift card they handled with pot on their hands...or when handling granny's purse, shoes, luggage...whatever.

Now to play the devils advocate
LEO exists in our society to protect and serve the citizens of the community
we would be totally at risk without them
who would we call if assulted, robbed, or worse?
I used to think they were all gun-toting creeps with delusions of godhood...but I've matured over the years
I agree not to talk to them concerning drugs and let your lawyer handle it
but I've also found in order to receive respect, one must give it
In my own strange way, I respect LEO and the danger they put themselves into every day protecting our communities, our families, and ourselves from very dangerous criminals :rasta:
 
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SomeGuy

668, Neighbor of the Beast
Lord Doobie said:
I and others have noticed some misinformation on this site
I certainly don't know it all by any means nor do I pretend to

Grandma probably wouldn't be thrown down and cuffed because the police have more sense especially concerning the elderly. They would simply pull her aside and open her bags to find the source of the dogs excitement...knowing already it's probably something her grandchildren had to do with...a smokey sweater...a gift card they handled with pot on their hands...or when handling granny's purse, shoes, luggage...whatever.

I respect LEO and the danger they put themselves into every day protecting our communities, our families, and ourselves from very dangerous criminals :rasta:

Unfortunately, innocent grannies do get caught up in the drug war by over zealous cops. Take the 90 year old grannie from ATL that was shot and killed for trying to protect herself from what she thought was a home invasion, but turned out to be a no knock warrant served on the wrong address. These type of incidents happen more often than you think.

I'm all for respect for LEO when they are protecting the community, but it goes deeper than that. They are also first in line when it comes to spreading WRONG information to the community about drugs and their abuse.


Imagine if LEO across the US all stood up at the same time and said, "its a waste of our time and public money targeting weed users. They aren't hurting anyone, and our time would be better spent chasing violent offenders."
Instead they just plod along and push for harsher penalties and continue to arrest people for possession of a few GRAMS and treat them the same as the guy they catch with ounces of meth and truly dangerous drugs. They continually abuse people civil rights under the guise of "protecting the community."

Why? Because they get paid! Their communities collect fines, they seize and then auction property and the feds send them funds for more equipment. Their jails stay full and feds send them more money to build more. Its a multi billion dollar industry for them and they collect both coming and going and they don't want to see it change.

All they want is more power to abuse peoples civil rights and continue a cycle they've grown very comfortable with.
 

Lord Doobie

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yep...without quoting, I agree that it's a huge community cash cow for cops to bust smokers, growers, issue parking tickets, moving violations, and any other infractions that can bring in money...they call it city revenue I think...some communities require officers to have a ticket quota that must be met...the city budget depends on it

<edit> the bad cop is a classic...just another reason to think things thru before doing anything stupid that's going to attract them </edit>

When I came back from costa rica, they noticed my long hair and tore thru my luggage with relish...they were very disappointed. They asked me if I knew why they were searching...I said yes but I wasn't that stupid to bring anything back :laughing:
 
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Herbalistic

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dirkdaddy said:
no way to get around dogs. they smell in a totally different way than we do. they can literally identify each tiny smell in a particle of air (i.e. they smell each smell of the air individually, if that makes any sense). the smell of any drug seeps out into the "open air" so to speak no matter how tightly it is sealed. here is quote from this howstuffworks article on drug dogs. seems like the person was pretty damn careful but it did not matter.

"Breston uncovered a shipment of marijuana in heat-sealed Mylar bags, inside plastic-lined crates sealed with foam sealant, inside a closed storage garage."

http://people.howstuffworks.com/police-dog4.htm

No offence dirkdaddy, but these dogs dont always have the best day, changes that they dont react is big, if they are just started to "serving"!

I think the guy you are ^talking^ about didnt realize one thing.. When he packed his goods he should change plastic glove´s everytime & wash hands clothes when rolled them into another layer -> this is why them dog´s smell it!

If everything is doed properly, you can walk throught custom security doggies with bag full goods, first bagged & vacuumsealed, then the change and the opening of another foam roll and then wash & change again and open another plastic container and the same again with changes, then melt some wax and dip those goodie baggies into wax, then another change and another wax treatment SHOULD keep them dogs away! IMHO

Most important is that you keep you car etc.. CLEAN from all smell´s and do the packing procedure as I just told it :2cents:

I seriously hope no one is doing nothing illegal with these tips, but you have to be carefull when you pack you spice´s, some spice´s smell just like coca, or MJ and it´s embarassing to get searched at highway! Think about all the car´s that past you in the time you get searched, how the fuck they dare!!!

Btw... Havent you guys learned something about the drugtrade??? Ppl change route´s routinately even they are still feelin safe but has already used the same route couple time´s, or one, depending of the intelligence of smugler :wink:

Play it safe & sound!!!
 

SomeGuy

668, Neighbor of the Beast
I think the guy you are ^talking^ about didnt realize one thing.. When he packed his goods he should change plastic glove´s everytime & wash hands clothes when rolled them into another layer -> this is why them dog´s smell it!

Plus clean the area where you are working before you even begin and then again after every step. That's why they invented ammonia!!

Also, all plastic will eventually allow odors to permeate through, so once somethings bagged, the clock is ticking so to speak.
 

Herbalistic

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Your on the right trail someguy :yes:

However, if all the necessary items are ready, steady & hot when you start packin and you dip the at least twice in melted WAX, there shouldnt be problems with dogs....

Dont have ANY personal experience, but based on my note´s on "bulletproof" drugdogs :bashhead:

However, dont get too cocky :wink: if you do it properly & play it cool = have some ball´s you should be ok based on my & others observations with dogs! I wouldnt recommend to try fool dog´s with spice scents, like I said before, they could possibly hit into the nose of dog and then you are already going to the "bighouse" :fsu:

Once again, TRAFFICIN & SMUGLING is WRONG & ILLEGAL, I wount advocate things like that in any way! If something is illegal by the law, then I stay law
abiding citizen, than comin one of those horrible cannabis SMUGLER´S without MORAL to society´s law´s :wink:

Take care everyone and think twice, or think ten time´s before going into "game". Druglaws are HORRIBLE and aint worth decades in jail (talking about our US brethrens) :2cents:
 
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