how could some one think even for a second that a natural born competitor like L. Armstrong would give up the fight just like that, just because "enough is enough" etc?come on! are we in Disney World or something? we talk about his reputation, his honor, his name, his life...they do have strong evidences and witnesses against him, and if they didn't catch him before, it's because he was extremely skilled and serious about doping uptake-procedure-plan etc...in the world of cycling, it's very common truth that the doping techniques are always in advance compared to tests protocols....
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Blue Socks
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Giving up the fight is not a good look. If it were me and I was truly innocent I would fight that till the day I died. It's about protecting your legacy and reputation and if I had nothing to hide I would fight for that vigorously
the way I see this is that Lance won several tours de france, and passed all doping during these, if he had not, he would not have been given the titles.
now, many years after the fact, some people want to take these titles away from him.
it's like someone who gave you a bud to smoke wanted it back years after you have smoked it lol...
now, many years after the fact, some people want to take these titles away from him.
it's like someone who gave you a bud to smoke wanted it back years after you have smoked it lol...
L. Armstrong isn't the first one to be dismissed from his titles a long time after the competitions ended...
weeddaddy50
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RF is
RF is
Totally correct......hey attorneys cost money....at this point he may have said......you have no authority....and I am not paying my attorneys to fight you.....EOS.
RF is
Totally correct......hey attorneys cost money....at this point he may have said......you have no authority....and I am not paying my attorneys to fight you.....EOS.
ahahahahha.....yeah that's a great analogy! ahahha
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Alfred
Yes, i agree.
You can argue with an idiot untill you are blue in the face, it still gets you nowhere.
Who wants to spend time fighting in court, when there are more important things in life...
excuse my ignorance, since I'm simply not well informed on the subject; but for what purpose do they test for doping before, during and after an event?
how can there be any new evidence after so many years? do they store blood or piss or something? how come they did not see anything when first tested?
thanks.
thegambler
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Who really cares anymore.......he's a multi-millionaire and they can't take his $$$$$$ away. They can take his titles but he still has a great reputation in the U.S., especially since he beat cancer. Fuck the man, Lance!
Former team-mates have said he was doping.
I think we should have sports events where drugs are permitted--everyone is doped, see exactly what the human body can do with some chemical assistance, and how far we can take it.
But I would also introduce total zero tolerance in "Straight" events, with absolute lifetime bans, possibly even criminal sanctions(like Spain) for cheats(if prize money is involved-it would be fraud of a sort), no exceptions--using chemicals to see what the dosed body can do is one thing, but cheating stinks.
Proving LA guilty of "Blood boosting" is tough because blood isn't like some drug that they only have to wait until a new test to detect comes along--its blood, quite possibly the persons own blood.
If Armstrong really is innocent then this sucks, but I think he probably was doping--going on what team-mates have said.
Ben Johnson passed drug tests--until they knew what the new drug of the moment was a developed a test for it. Doping is big business, and the doctors and chemists are so far ahead of the testing committees that yes indeed they do keep blood for years, to be tested for recently discovered drugs--and people have been stripped of medals years later..
Performance enhancing drugs are not illegal in sport--only banned substances are, and the bans are way behind the curve.
I think we should have sports events where drugs are permitted--everyone is doped, see exactly what the human body can do with some chemical assistance, and how far we can take it.
But I would also introduce total zero tolerance in "Straight" events, with absolute lifetime bans, possibly even criminal sanctions(like Spain) for cheats(if prize money is involved-it would be fraud of a sort), no exceptions--using chemicals to see what the dosed body can do is one thing, but cheating stinks.
Proving LA guilty of "Blood boosting" is tough because blood isn't like some drug that they only have to wait until a new test to detect comes along--its blood, quite possibly the persons own blood.
If Armstrong really is innocent then this sucks, but I think he probably was doping--going on what team-mates have said.
Ben Johnson passed drug tests--until they knew what the new drug of the moment was a developed a test for it. Doping is big business, and the doctors and chemists are so far ahead of the testing committees that yes indeed they do keep blood for years, to be tested for recently discovered drugs--and people have been stripped of medals years later..
Performance enhancing drugs are not illegal in sport--only banned substances are, and the bans are way behind the curve.
the steroid olympics would be amazing. Surely there must be some kind of event like this some where in the world?
Testing has evolved over time, DJ, same as the protocols and methods of PED use. USADA's case against Lance basically comes down to ten former teammates as well as two former support staff willing to testify against him, as well as his biological passport parameters from the 09-10 season. The biological passport test wasn't even rolled out until 2007 and in mainstream use until 2008. I touched on it a bit in my above reply.
Sundance, the legal threshold for guilt is certainly much higher. I'll agree with you on that. Lance declined arbitration following the USADA's decision on the basis that he doesn't recognize the USADA's authority, but rather the UCI's. Arbitration hearings have no where near the evidentiary standard of legal proceedings. I'll also refrain from calling your opinion bullshit, although you apparently were unable to show the same restraint to me. I'm glad being in a single race with Lance over 25 years ago has had such a lasting and positive effect on your opinion of his character. Certainly seems to have hit a nerve on your end there. Since you clearly take issue with Hamilton and Landis (I do as well), what's your opinion of George Hincapie as a witness?
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Sundance
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ROFL
Facts and truth
"Opinions" ... " suspicions " ... " circumstantial evidence " ... dont mean shit ... so why continue
I dont know anything - nothing at all ... except that Lance has been fighting this shit all his professional life ... has never been found guilty ... and that he has had more than enough of this shit
I know what kind of athlete Lance is ... and have always been in awe of that
I know as much about the " character " of Lance as you do
" hit a nerve " ... not even close
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Sundance
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Now your acting like a little girl
Civility ? ... grow up
Of course everything I said is my opinion
Isnt everything you said your opinion ? ... which by the way ... after reading your posts - it seems you have already found Lance guilty without any proof and/or evidence - just your suspicions
The rest is too ridiculous for me
Blabber on
actually, yes sir, they do kept blood & urine...and not only those of Armstrong...quite common procedure at anti-doping authorities...
by the way, the fact that he was using forbidden products doesn't mean that he wasn't a great & naturally gifted runner...it seems you need more than that to win 7 time one of the most difficult race in the world with such easiness, and that's after a balls cancer...
The US Government body ACTED within ONE hour. Does anyone else smell a backdoor settlement????
So what they can prove on him has nothing to do with riding a bicycle and has everything to do with them blackmailing him with public scorn.
Never Never Never liked Lance or his faggy rubber bands, but now I may have to go buy one and wear it. Fuck THEM for doing it once again to another INDIVIDUAL.
My suspicions are based on actually having done the background research on the history and advancement of both EPO administration protocols and tests. I've never said anything different. I'm terribly sorry if that pisses off a huge, huge Lance Armstrong fan.
The rest is too ridiculous for me as well, so I'm done.
Rage on
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The rest is too ridiculous for me as well, so I'm done.
Rage on
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