are you a "conspiracy theorist"?

[bentom187]

Here and here


Twice in this thread.

 

[bentom187]

Meanwhile in Russia's high schools.........

AK-74: Fast Assembly & Disassembly In Russian School
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrxjYfl05ek#t=15

 

[BrnCow]

If conspiracy is illegal, why don't government and cops get charged with it constantly?

 

[sprinkl]

Ah, it just makes me sad that so much energy is bad on this planet while it could all be so good. Nature is amazing, but it's almost damaged beyond repair. Where is the bond with nature we once had? People used to treat illnesses with plants, now we take pills produced in labs with molecules pretty much the same as in plants or animals but sometimes a little different so it could be patented. We're like pot plants being torn out of our soil and placed in sterile hydro mediums so we could produce more, faster - no offense to you hydro growers out there, man's gotta make a living.

Sometimes I think this many people on a planet would end up murdering each other anyway in the end, sometimes I think we're programmed to think that way. Fact, to me, is the elite are in such a way cunning and manipulative that they have created the rules, the perception, the education of the world over the years. To ensure they stay the elite and we the working class. They make it seem like they rightfully own what they own and follow the same rules we do. While they are nothing more than descendants of pirates, kings, tirans, or just plain criminals. Would any human with such power do the same? Is it nature? Conspiracies are definitely in human nature. We've all done it. Be it harmless or not, I'm sure everyone has at one point made plans with others to do things a third party is not aware of. And power over others tends to be addicting. You can only want more.

So yeah, I generally do think we're being schemed to work as slaves and have low quality lives, die of starvation, wars and toxic food, being set up to hate and distrust our fellow kin for no apparent reason, so a select few can feel good about themselves and have huge artificial wealth.
It is human nature, but it's also human nature to fight back when oppressed and kill the masters when they go too far.
I wonder if that will ever happen again though. We need a new jesus, or Neo..

 

[RetroGrow]

It's called overpopulation. All that's happening now was predicted based on mathematics over 500 years ago by Malthus. The population has more than doubled in my lifetime. That should tell you something. But our fearless "leaders" won't even speak about it, because the "great" corporations need more slave labor, and the scum politicians need more votes, so they import them from across the border. The planet cannot be saved as long as 7 billion people are scrapping for their piece of the pie.
The solution is obvious, but we cannot speak about it. Taboo.

 

[gaiusmarius]

to me the solution is obvious too, all you have to do is educate and raise people out of poverty, as soon as you do that they stop making so many babies. in fact most western countries original occupants are dwindling. eu country natives don't even have enough kids to maintain population levels. it's only thanks to the fertile immigrants that populations in the west are not decreasing rapidly. once you can go to the movies or the mall or what ever, you have other stuff to do then fucking. once you have a certain life style and are feeling safe with it, you no longer need to worry about having as many family members as possible in the hopes that at least some of them will look after you when you are old.

before you say muslims or who ever will never have less kids because of their religion, look at the statistics. the average muslims living in the west have normal numbers of kids. so yeah raise up the starving masses and educate them, let them have their industrial revolution and in 30 or max 50 years the world population will start dwindling all by it's self imo. but if we keep insisting on such a un even distribution of wealth and living conditions this problem will only get worse.

to put things into context, the whole world population could live in the state of Texas if they lived in the density of a normal big city like LA or NYC. so the whole overpopulation thing is probably not as desperate as some would have one believe.

if you allow your population to dwindle you create problems for paying peoples pensions and all the rest. a healthy economy with the system we use require permanent growth. so reducing population will also reduce wealth. it's a tricky subject with no easy answers. but paying the pensions is one reason we allow migrant labor even when unemployment isnt low. if less people are paying in to the system then people who are taking out, the system will go bankrupt eventually.

 

[bentom187]

There are lots of self sufficient people out there, they might be weird to others but that just superficial differences, they are not a burden to anyone yet the state stops them from living life peacefully for code enforcement and often conjured up environmental reasons in other instances. I do envy them, although I would choose somewhere else besides the desert to set up shop.


Battle for the California Desert: Why is the Government Driving Folks Off Their Land?
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The state does enough murdering via ,cops and war and forced poverty by doing the bidding of the central banks.




Here is a really enlightening video about the origins of poverty in the modern world.

The Mises View: "Income Inequality" | Joseph T. Salerno
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[hunt4genetics]

Now I am.


Last week

Gay people in Arizona fought for, and won the right to $upport companies with anti-gay policie$.

Let that $ink in for a moment.

It was framed as a freedom argument, a religion argument.

The mass's grabbed their signs and demanded the right to financially enrich companies that do not agree with their lifestyle.

Somewhere there are puppet masters high-fiving one another.

The powers that be could care less about who you sleep with, or worship.

In the end,

follow the money.

 

[RetroGrow]

to me the solution is obvious too, all you have to do is educate and raise people out of poverty, as soon as you do that they stop making so many babies. in fact most western countries original occupants are dwindling. eu country natives don't even have enough kids to maintain population levels. it's only thanks to the fertile immigrants that populations in the west are not decreasing rapidly. once you can go to the movies or the mall or what ever, you have other stuff to do then fucking. once you have a certain life style and are feeling safe with it, you no longer need to worry about having as many family members as possible in the hopes that at least some of them will look after you when you are old.

before you say muslims or who ever will never have less kids because of their religion, look at the statistics. the average muslims living in the west have normal numbers of kids. so yeah raise up the starving masses and educate them, let them have their industrial revolution and in 30 or max 50 years the world population will start dwindling all by it's self imo. but if we keep insisting on such a un even distribution of wealth and living conditions this problem will only get worse.

to put things into context, the whole world population could live in the state of Texas if they lived in the density of a normal big city like LA or NYC. so the whole overpopulation thing is probably not as desperate as some would have one believe.

if you allow your population to dwindle you create problems for paying peoples pensions and all the rest. a healthy economy with the system we use require permanent growth. so reducing population will also reduce wealth. it's a tricky subject with no easy answers. but paying the pensions is one reason we allow migrant labor even when unemployment isnt low. if less people are paying in to the system then people who are taking out, the system will go bankrupt eventually.

I don't think it's possible to overstate the destruction caused by overpopulation. To me it's so very obvious, just looking at the geometric increase in my lifetime, and the consequential degradation of the environment, which I can easily see with my own eyes. Population has more than doubled in my lifetime, and it took millions of years to get to the level it was at the year I was born. All systems break down at a certain population number, which we have already passed.These include environmental, economic, social, etc., all of which are inter-related. Talk about pensions becomes meaningless as we are already bankrupt. Kicking the can down the road and printing more currency only works so long. Making "new" people does not alleviate this problem, but rather exacerbates it.
Shall we just keep going as we are, and let all animal life be wiped out? Shall we continue to let the virgin forests be wiped out, so that company XYZ can sell more palm oil, make more soybeans to feed the billion head of cattle that are using up most of the earth's resources?
Re Muslims: the "average" Muslim does not live in the west, nor do they embrace "western" ways, whether or not that is a good thing. The "war of the womb" is real. Making as many "new" Muslims as possible is a basic tenet of the "religion". The average Muslim female in the areas where Muslims are the majority, ie., Africa, is having over seven children. It's not only Muslims. As you know, the Catholic church is still against birth control, which is why there is so much poverty in South & Central America/Mexico. An endless cycle of poverty that cannot be broken until the numbers are reduced. Aside from Muslims, the only group that is having more than 2 children per "couple" is Hispanics, the fastest growing population segment in the western world. However, they are having slightly over two children per couple here in the U.S. Different story in Mexico, and other impoverished areas. It's one thing to say we need to educate the people and they will then lift themselves out of poverty, quite another thing to do it while we are struggling to make ends meet, and working as indentured slaves for the "powers that be" the one per centers, who all are living better than any ancient kings at our expense. Wealth distribution is constantly being concentrated MORE at the top of the pyramid all the time. The rich are getting richer, gobbling up more and more resources, at the expense of the 99+% below them.
IMO, the only way to alleviate this mess we are in is to incentivize the poor who are having the most offspring, by giving them educational & food/shelter credits in exchange for stopping @ two children per female. These children would then be assured of an education, a place to live, and food to eat. Even if that were to be worked out in some fashion, it will not undue the destruction that has already occurred. We have wiped out vast segments of animal populations, and it's only getting worse. Sorry to sound pessimistic, but it really is a numbers game, and numbers don't lie. A man is supposed to be master of his domain, but as this domain shrinks continuously, so does his humanity.

 

[bentom187]

The Last Word on Overpopulation
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[sprinkl]

to me the solution is obvious too, all you have to do is educate and raise people out of poverty, as soon as you do that they stop making so many babies. in fact most western countries original occupants are dwindling. eu country natives don't even have enough kids to maintain population levels. it's only thanks to the fertile immigrants that populations in the west are not decreasing rapidly. once you can go to the movies or the mall or what ever, you have other stuff to do then fucking. once you have a certain life style and are feeling safe with it, you no longer need to worry about having as many family members as possible in the hopes that at least some of them will look after you when you are old.

I think bad economy is the reason the population in europe isnt growing. If i had more money i might have had a few kids already by now. Who wants to make kids if you know you wont be able to pay a higher education and they'll be marginalized victims of society. We are constantly reminded through the media in what a fucked up, disturbed, dangerous world we're living in.
Jobs are disappearing left and right and our society has drastically changed in hundred years. It was normal for people to be jobless and live off their land, now that isnt possible anymore, living costs are so high that without a job you will end up homeless. You cant own land without being rich. No point in having children if they cant help on the land.
In a way i think poor farmers are better off than people in industrialized zones. When all the jobs are gone we will be left to starve as we have no knowledge or even enough land to grow a fucking potato.

 

[idiit]

BREAKING NEWS!

Engineers have started emergency procedures to stabilize a Washington dam after they found a 65-foot crack in the structure.

The Wanapum Dam, a hydroelectric project located on the Columbia River in Grant County, Wash., is still running after divers discovered a 65-foot crack that is 2-inches wide.

The problem was first identified after an engineer noticed a “bowing” in the roadway above the dam and later discovered that a concrete spillway was raised above the water by 2.5 inches, according to Grant County Public Utility District spokesman Thomas Stredwick.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/01/washington-dam-crack-columbia/5922411/

Flood Risk at Nuclear Power Plants

^^ http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power...dents/flood-risk-at-nuclear-power-plants.html

why were all these nuclear power plants around the world including fukushima placed in flood plains?

where did all the tarp infrastructure $ go?

Leaked Report Suggests Long-Known Flood Threat To Nuclear Plants, Safety Advocates Say

^^ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/nuclear-plant-flood-threat-leak_n_1983005.html

^^ now that's conspiracy theory fodder.

 

[gaiusmarius]

like i said with today's system, there is no other choice but to let the population keep getting bigger, so more people have to buy more stuff. the system will fail as soon as it's no longer growing. it's not meant to work without continuous growth. so thats 1 problem.

then you have the basic inequality between the ruling elites and their corporations and the rest of the population.

im not talking about the US lifting Africa out of poverty. im talking about stopping the west and east from exploiting all of Africa's immense natural wealth by paying off corrupt officials to get the whole wealth. let them use that cash to lift their society up and you will see the population numbers will go down. it's about being educated enough to make sensible choices. people who are hungry don't worry about contraception or how many kids they have. you actually said the most important thing yourself and that is the vast wealth inequality in the world. but even that won't fix things unless the money system is changed to having money without interest, money that benefits the people who are using it for commerce and punishes those who hoard it. money is not supposed to be our master, as long as it is the elite have no reason to try and reduce over all population, as reducing population will reduce their customer numbers.

another point to think about is that we don't need to make all the trash that we do. this is another conspiracy, all products are created to fail so you have to keep replacing them and the whole society think everything has to look brand new all the time otherwise you are not a useful member of society. but we actually posses the ability to make products that last for close to ever. from light bulbs to electronics to cars and plastics. but again thats not profitable in this system of perpetual growth. so products are made as cheaply as possible and electronics are even sold with programed failure of certain components. imagine if you only had to buy a light bulb once, or a car, cooker fridge, etc. our waste and pollution could be immensely reduced.

 

[Storm Shadow]

azodicarbonamide

this is what we get with mass people....

Education is the only way to solve 99.9% of these problems....Where I live in Orange County, CA... Its a melting pot out here with very expensive real estate...

All the White kids I grew up with are not the ones buying up all the new houses in the area...its all ETHNIC.. Chinese/Indian/etc .. reason why?

While all my WHITE friends grew up comfortable in the Suburbs,,, they all focused on Culture and nada on Education... so you have a bunch of cool surfers vs Asian kids solving complicated math equations and winning spelling Bee's getting free rides to the most Elite Schools in the country...

Without Mexicans having kids... America would crumble overnight...

HISPANICS are the future of this country and they work hard/spend a lot of cash.... which keeps the wheels spinning...

When Im in the hood... Santa Ana... I see no Mexicans begging for money on the corners... they have too much pride and would rather stand in front of home depot all DAY even if they get no work... but guess who I see on every corner with their hands out asking for Cash? White Folks.... just saying... Keep it real...

without people spending cash....... the system would fall apart... the worker bees/ants need to do their job to keep the Queen alive ... shit aint changed man

 

[bentom187]

gaiusmarius;6225760]but even that won't fix things unless the money system is changed to having money without interest, money that benefits the people who are using it for commerce and punishes those who hoard it. money is not supposed to be our master, as long as it is the elite have no reason to try and reduce over all population, as reducing population will reduce their customer numbers.

Yes honest money is good. It should be chosen by the market not a bank or government.

There is a money supply the problem is not hoarding it though, saving's are our wealth.
It allows people to prosper and to invest back into society, perhaps creating jobs and benefiting society as a whole lifting our fellow man out of poverty.
The current economic system suggests the method to solve this "liquidity crisis" , to get the economy growing,is for the central government to deficit spend for the sake of the future economy. This is non-sense because ...

A. we use debt as money so you cant pay a debt with another debt, of course they don't care about the long run,they suggests we are all dead in the long run so it does not matter ,my question to them is why bother to keep track of the debt then?
B. This hurts people with fixed incomes the most, while this new money enters the economy the people spend it creating a artificial demand, the suppliers do as the market suggests and increases the supply to match it and raise prices to capture the extra money in the economy. This hurts people on fixed income and savers the most.The fixed income people for obvious reasons, things cost more and their revenue does not increase. The savers get hosed for the time being because it takes more money to buy the same products they could of had at a cheaper cost had the money supply not increased.

The interest rates for money ,it can be seen as the amount of demand for money now as opposed to a later time, this is something other economist ignore and central banks ,its called time preference.

They manipulate this rate and they keep it near zero and they have been at this for a long time,if I want to invest my money where should I put it if all the loans for asset purchases come with zero percent interest rates ? there is no message or hint anymore that the natural economy would have gave me ,as to where to invest and where the economy needs it and where I would have greater success.

The banks don't care who they make loans to it's insured by the government. If they didn't have governmental insurance they would actually have to be responsible in who they lend money too, and act like a regular business, but instead they have FDIC, and certain regulations that allow them to loan out 90% of their deposits, which before central banks backed by government,it made people nervous and they would rightfully empty their saving accounts out in fear of losing it all.
The same risk is there , except their is the FDIC sticker stating its insured, as we seen in Cyprus the banks got bailed out not the depositors, so its not safe at all.



That then wastes resources if I cant sell it or make a profit if the demand is not actually there.


So this central banks along with their minions in Washington, distort the market to such a degree there is no success except where they want the money to go, and it never works out for the whole economy just them. Just look at all the green jobs we were going to get , look at all the student loans that are defaulting, look at the housing crisis, the dot com bust, all these asset bubble are a result of the central banks making markets where the real market offers no support.

So the government has but one option ,try to deficit spend its way to solvency to the bank ,I have already pointed out why that's going to fail.
The economy has been taking these economic heroin injections for a while, I suggest the patient has overdosed.

The best thing we can do is get rid of the manipulation and let the market sort it out to the most productive and responsible people.

 

[Kcar]

BREAKING NEWS!




http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/01/washington-dam-crack-columbia/5922411/

View Image


^^ http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power...dents/flood-risk-at-nuclear-power-plants.html

why were all these nuclear power plants around the world including fukushima placed in flood plains?

where did all the tarp infrastructure $ go?




^^ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/nuclear-plant-flood-threat-leak_n_1983005.html

^^ now that's conspiracy theory fodder.

Hanford was decommissioned in 1968....

 

[RetroGrow]

like i said with today's system, there is no other choice but to let the population keep getting bigger, so more people have to buy more stuff. the system will fail as soon as it's no longer growing. it's not meant to work without continuous growth.

Do you not see the contradiction in your own post?
First, you say there is no choice but to allow the population to grow, so that more people will buy more stuff. But then later, you post about all the waste & pollution, which are only increased as more people buy more stuff.

another point to think about is that we don't need to make all the trash that we do. this is another conspiracy, all products are created to fail so you have to keep replacing them and the whole society think everything has to look brand new all the time otherwise you are not a useful member of society. but we actually posses the ability to make products that last for close to ever. from light bulbs to electronics to cars and plastics. but again thats not profitable in this system of perpetual growth. so products are made as cheaply as possible and electronics are even sold with programed failure of certain components. imagine if you only had to buy a light bulb once, or a car, cooker fridge, etc. our waste and pollution could be immensely reduced.

Unfortunately, "everlasting" products would prove too expensive for the masses, and they still wouldn't be everlasting. I can't afford a Rolls Royce, any more than most people can't. Or a jet. Most products are manufactured with cost in mind. They have to be affordable to mass markets.

As far as saving Africa, in reality, we have been trying to do that for decades, pouring billions upon billions into the continent, which ends up getting stolen by the military dictators that rule most of Africa. They are not looking to help their own people. They are looking to exploit them. The slaughter goes on there daily as ruthless militants have been committing genocide for ages. Refugee camps abound. If you are interested in the Rwandan Genocide, you can read about it here, or just Google it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide
In Africa, you have two main tribes, the Hutus & the Tutsis. These tribes have been warring for centuries, slaughtering every living thing in any village where one or the other gets the upper hand. This is still going on today as we speak in the Congo, where mass genocide has been going on for many years. 5.4 million have been killed in the last 16 years, the biggest wars since WWII.
http://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/congo
It's interesting to note that two of the world's largest philanthropists (actually the largest), Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, have been working tirelessly in Africa to provide clean water/food/education to African children and Africa in general. It's also interesting to note that these two very bright individuals recognize overpopulation as the world's #1 problem. This is pretty well known, but by all means, do some reading on it. I'm not asking you to take my word for it.
Take a look at the poorest countries in the world. They are also the countries with the highest populations. Think of India and Bangladesh as two examples. China comes to mind, although they have had a "one child" per couple policy for years, having recognized the dangers of over population. As bad as the poverty is in these overpopulated countries, it is even worse in Africa, where you have the poorest countries in the world, yet a birthrate of over 5 children per female.
http://www.populationmedia.org/issues/population/population-and-poverty/
"Rapid population growth aggravates poverty in developing countries by producing a high ratio of dependent children for each working adult. This leads to a relatively high percentage of income being spent on immediate survival needs of food, housing, and clothing, leaving little money for purchase of elective goods or for investment in the economy, education, government services, or infrastructure. Lack of available capital continues to frustrate the attempts of many developing countries to expand their economies and reduce poverty.

Only about 20% of the current world’s population has a generally adequate standard of living. The other 80% live in conditions ranging from mild deprivation to severe deficiency. This imbalance is likely to get worse, as more than 90% of future population growth is projected to occur in the least developed countries.

The continent with the most rapid population growth, Africa, is actually growing poorer. African’s per capita gross domestic product of $510 is only 89% of the 1960 level. Per capita calorie intake is 20% below that of 1960. Every third person in Africa is chronically malnourished. However, Africa’s population continues to grow at an alarming rate: the doubling time of Africa’s population is 28 years; and average desired family size in sub-Saharan Africa is five children per couple.

Just as population growth contributes to poverty, population stabilization has often contributed to rapid improvements in per capita economic conditions and overall quality of life. All of the countries that have moved from developing status to developed status since World War II, according to U.N. criteria, had brought their fertility rates down close to replacement level before their economies began to take off. These include South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Province of China, Singapore, Barbados and The Bahamas."

Food for thought. By the way, I am not advocating depopulation by killing people, rather "logical family planning". I reference Malthus only for the math, not his other radical ideas. The point being, that even 500 years ago, people were aware of the math, and knew that "this" was coming, and it has not been lost on some very wise individuals today.
Overpopulation=poverty and environmental destruction.

 

[Max Headroom]

as long as the global economic system is based on perpetual growth, the population must necessarily grow perpetually as well.

the root evil is the concept of interest. whenever interest accumulates, money is magic'd into existence that did not exist before. hence inflation, hence ever more work for less pay, hence perpetual debt slavery for the whole planet.

 

[idiit]

 

[wantaknow]

why cant I give k ?