Are there any reputable clone vendors in USA??????????

[growshopfrank]

Generating the clone is the easy part. Maintaining healthy vigorous moms without pests or PM and the like is the tricky part.
As you scale up the numbers the problems tend to grow exponentially as well.

 

[Deleted User 0283844]

I’d like to see you acquire say 50 plants. Setup a mother room / propagation area etc. lights, racks, dehumidifiers, mini splits, the whole 9. Quarantine them. Test them all multiple times.
Take a few hundred clones per week while following measures to ensure there is no cross contamination. Stick to a strict SOP , new gloves between taking clones. The list goes on. Then go sell them for $10 a piece. Do all that and come back with that same energy. I’ll be here waiting. Guarantee you will be singing a different tune

100 agreed

Some folks just don't understand, and that's OK.

We can try to educate but sometimes it seems like folks misunderstand as (insert feeling here).
And that's OK too.

Hopefully along thier journey, they get to see and understand.

No hate for the ones still learning. Also no time to repetitively drill why cleanliness,honesty and hard work equal a fair amount (again range of 175 to 300)for most stuff.

Like you said, anyone in doubt , try it out, if it's such cheap entry. Must be easy money .

 

[growshopfrank]

Many of the people calling some of these clone prices outrageous know exactly what goes into it. Go to any Home Depot and take a look at the houseplant section. Those plants are all cloned and took much longer to bring to market requiring more time and costs. Rose plants, blueberries poinsettias, etc... all take much longer and are more difficult to clone than cannabis and cost much less than the crazy prices some people are paying for cannabis clones. I could list dozens and dozens of plants that require more effort, money, and time to propagate that don't cost anywhere close to some of the prices cannabis clones are being sold for.

So now that I've made a comparison of the cost to produce cannabis clones vs other plant species, what is the justification for the outrageous prices?

I dare you to go to your local home depot buy any live plant from them and introduce said plant to your clean indoor grow.
FWIW The easiest comparison would be having unprotected sex with a "seasoned" sex trade worker.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Many of the people calling some of these clone prices outrageous know exactly what goes into it. Go to any Home Depot and take a look at the houseplant section. Those plants are all cloned and took much longer to bring to market requiring more time and costs. Rose plants, blueberries poinsettias, etc... all take much longer and are more difficult to clone than cannabis and cost much less than the crazy prices some people are paying for cannabis clones. I could list dozens and dozens of plants that require more effort, money, and time to propagate that don't cost anywhere close to some of the prices cannabis clones are being sold for.

So now that I've made a comparison of the cost to produce cannabis clones vs other plant species, what is the justification for the outrageous prices?

To add to the point above, how many different types of the same variety do you think they propagate ? I bet you they don’t have 30 different types of aloe, or money tree or whatever.
That’s the problem with this market. People want every different flavor available to choose from and they want it tested, guaranteed pest and pathogen free. And they want it for Walmart prices.
I challenge you to do the same thing I said to loc dog and report back after you sell your first batch of $10 clones.
To run a small nursery properly, it’s like a a full time job. Are people supposed to spend all their time working for everyone’s amusement ?

 

[Mithridate]

Let me put it this way...

"S" hook for anything $0.59

"S" hook for grow lights $39.99

 

[Deleted User 0283844]

Let me put it this way...

"S" hook for anything $0.59
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"S" hook for grow lights $39.99
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Is the 39.99 one covid free? (Asking for the trolling)

Bad comparison in so many ways.

But hey, least your using metal for grow hooks amiiiiirite?

 

[Mithridate]

Is the 39.99 one covid free? (Asking for the trolling)

Bad comparison in so many ways.

But hey, least your using metal for grow hooks amiiiiirite?

Lemme guess.. I should have used.. duct tape?

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Maybe the comparison went above your head.. all I'm saying is once you associate weed with a product, price triples.

Also grants etc eh

 

[xtsho]

Did you see that post above outlining costs ? Those houseplants aren’t subject to hardly any of that cost. Totally different ball game

If you're talking about these costs then you don't have a valid argument because those are the same costs incurred for growing and propagating all of the other plants I mentioned. What are the higher costs?

Pots All plants require pots to grow in.
Up potting Up potting is used for most plants grown in nurseries
light bill All nurseries have this bill
water bill All nurseries have this bill
other requirements of equipment
Ipm Integrated Pest Management is practiced in all commercial nurseries
Hlv tests Disease testing is done at most nurseries
Nutrients Non-cannabis nurseries use nutrients
Healty plants Commercial nurseries supply hundreds of millions of healthy plants each year
Discreet overnight packages That cost is passed onto the buyer
Labor cost to keep all that up All nurseries have labor costs

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Lemme guess.. I should have used.. duct tape?

🫡

Maybe the comparison went above your head.. all I'm saying is once you associate weed with a product, price triples.

Also grants etc eh

For some items, I would agree with you. The whole hydro store model was designed that way. Luckily that trend is changing because people are becoming educated.

For genetics though, I don’t see the comparison. Look at what seeds costed in 1989-1990 when buying from Holland. 30+ years later and you still have many many options under $100 a pack. So given all that, why should a clone be cheaper ? Especially the heirloom varieties. It doesn’t make sense

 

[xtsho]

100 agreed

Some folks just don't understand, and that's OK.

We can try to educate but sometimes it seems like folks misunderstand as (insert feeling here).
And that's OK too.

Hopefully along thier journey, they get to see and understand.

No hate for the ones still learning. Also no time to repetitively drill why cleanliness,honesty and hard work equal a fair amount (again range of 175 to 300)for most stuff.

Like you said, anyone in doubt , try it out, if it's such cheap entry. Must be easy money .

Who are you educating? How long have you been growing plants? What is your experience with horticulture in general not just growing one plant called cannabis?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

you're talking about these costs then you don't have a valid argument because those are the same costs incurred for growing and propagating all of the other plants I mentioned. What are the higher costs?

You’re kidding me right ? For starters, do you think the mother plants are being propagated indoors under lights ? Definitely not. They are likely in a warm southern state in a greenhouse. Electricity alone is huge.

What about mother plants. you think they are propagating 50 different types of aloe ? The legality of the plant is also huge. So many different factors, it’s not even comparable

If it’s so easy to do and so cheap, why aren’t you cornering the market ?

 

[xtsho]

You’re kidding me right ? For starters, do you think the mother plants are being propagated indoors under lights ? Definitely not. They are likely in a warm southern state in a greenhouse. Electricity alone is huge.

What about mother plants. you think they are propagating 50 different types of aloe ? The legality of the plant is also huge. So many different factors, it’s not even comparable

If it’s so easy to do and so cheap, why aren’t you cornering the market ?

Oh good grief.

No different than most other commercial nurseries. It's 100% comparable. The legal issues are different but in most legal states the fee's for licensing are quite inexpensive which is why so many people got into it years ago. Here in Oregon they put a moratorium on new licenses after we had a half million pound stockpile of cannabis built up. I'm not sure if that's still in effect and don't care. Hard to grow plant? I think not. You can get weed cheaper than it's ever been because there is so much of the easy to grow plant being produced.

Cornering the market? I'm not interested in being involved in the "for profit" cannabis industry. That comment has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. Other than some licensing fees to grow that other plants don't have you have not provided anything of relevance that would support the claim of these excessively higher costs that would justify some of the prices some outfits are charging.

I did a bit of looking around for clones online and I found quite a few that were charging what is somewhat reasonable. All under $20 with discounts for bulk purchases. The concept of charging over $100 for a plant that costs less to bring to market than an Aloe Vera defies logic. And yes there is more work and time going into that Aloe Vera clone that takes 4-6 weeks than some cannabis cutting that took under 2 weeks to root.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Oh good grief.

No different than most other commercial nurseries. It's 100% comparable. The legal issues are different but in most legal states the fee's for licensing are quite inexpensive which is why so many people got into it years ago. Here in Oregon they put a moratorium on new licenses after we had a half million pound stockpile of cannabis built up. I'm not sure if that's still in effect and don't care. Hard to grow plant? I think not. You can get weed cheaper than it's ever been because there is so much of the easy to grow plant being produced.

Cornering the market? I'm not interested in being involved in the "for profit" cannabis industry. That comment has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. Other than some licensing fees to grow that other plants don't have you have not provided anything of relevance that would support the claim of these excessively higher costs that would justify some of the prices some outfits are charging.

I did a bit of looking around for clones online and I found quite a few that were charging what is somewhat reasonable. All under $20 with discounts for bulk purchases. The concept of charging over $100 for a plant that costs less to bring to market than an Aloe Vera defies logic. And yes there is more work and time going into that Aloe Vera clone that takes 4-6 weeks than some cannabis cutting that took under 2 weeks to root.

Not a single one of these nurseries you mention have to use artificial lighting, it’s a huge cost. And I guarantee you every one of those Home Depot nurseries has all illegal immigrants working for peanuts.

And that statement was valid. What I see is a bunch of people like yourself complaining about prices but aren’t willing to do the work.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Oh good grief.

No different than most other commercial nurseries. It's 100% comparable. The legal issues are different but in most legal states the fee's for licensing are quite inexpensive which is why so many people got into it years ago. Here in Oregon they put a moratorium on new licenses after we had a half million pound stockpile of cannabis built up. I'm not sure if that's still in effect and don't care. Hard to grow plant? I think not. You can get weed cheaper than it's ever been because there is so much of the easy to grow plant being produced.

Cornering the market? I'm not interested in being involved in the "for profit" cannabis industry. That comment has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. Other than some licensing fees to grow that other plants don't have you have not provided anything of relevance that would support the claim of these excessively higher costs that would justify some of the prices some outfits are charging.

I did a bit of looking around for clones online and I found quite a few that were charging what is somewhat reasonable. All under $20 with discounts for bulk purchases. The concept of charging over $100 for a plant that costs less to bring to market than an Aloe Vera defies logic. And yes there is more work and time going into that Aloe Vera clone that takes 4-6 weeks than some cannabis cutting that took under 2 weeks to root.

Those $20 clones you speak of. Well you get what you pay for. That’s why this thread even exists. You think those people are testing all their mother stock multiple times to ensure they are pathogen free ? People like you are why corporate chads are flooding the market with Boof. want to be cheap but then complain about quality.

 

[dirtyho]

Perfect name and probably the spreader of infected clones, since he joined today. You want me to spread the pictures on every site I belong to???? What kind of loser sells known infected crap, and too much of a coward to deal with it. The owner used to put out videos on youtube, but probably too attached to crack pipe to do anything right anymore.

wasn't throwing shade but you stated you're not a very good grower or new grower in your first post and seems like you're having 100% fail rate with every clone you get? Just saying that maybe there are other factors in your situation other than bad clones?

 

[dirtyho]

Those $20 clones you speak of. Well you get what you pay for. That’s why this thread even exists. You think those people are testing all their mother stock multiple times to ensure they are pathogen free ? People like you are why corporate chads are flooding the market with Boof. want to be cheap but then complain about quality.

I know what you're saying but you have to admit A LOT of what your paying for is Hype and Marketing and Beleaf is a master at that..In fact...It wouldn't surprise me if having them marked as "sold out" is part of the marketing.
But at the end of the day they are worth what someone is willing to pay...god bless capitalism!

 

[xtsho]

Not a single one of these nurseries you mention have to use artificial lighting, it’s a huge cost. And I guarantee you every one of those Home Depot nurseries has all illegal immigrants working for peanuts.

And that statement was valid. What I see is a bunch of people like yourself complaining about prices but aren’t willing to do the work.

Are you serious? Many nurseries use artificial lighting. It's nothing specific to cannabis. In fact artificial lighting was being used long before any large scale cannabis nurseries selling clones existed. Artificial lighting is not something that was a cannabis growing invention.

It's obvious that you don't have a very good understanding of the nursery industry or commercial horticulture.

I'm also not complaining about prices I'd never pay. I'm pointing out how ridiculous they are and you keep trying to justify the cost and not succeeding.

You keep talking about doing the work or jumping into the market. You fail to understand that most of us that actually understand the dynamics involved have no desire or time to get involved with selling clones. It's not because we couldn't make money. Hell, if you guys think paying $300 a clone is a good deal then I could definitely make money. The thing is, I've been making plenty of money for decades. I like my occupation and have no desire to change.

Again I ask. What are these extra costs with growing cannabis that warrants the prices some are charging?

Lets ignore the fact that you're going to need a significantly larger amount of Aloe Vera plants than cannabis plants to get the same amount of clones.

If it takes 2-3 times longer to grow an Aloe Vera start than it does a cannabis clone, how does the cannabis clone cost so much more to propagate when time, energy, and labor are the biggest costs? The longer it takes to get to market the more resources you're paying for.

I asked a very simple question. It should be a simple answer.

 

[Scrappy-doo]

Factor in to the price that clones are being sold in an online black market, a federally illegal product being trafficked across state lines, with real criminal liability to the sellers if caught. Home Depot nursery plants aren't a fair comparison.

If you want cheap clones, move to Cali and go to one of the many clone dispensary's where you can purchase for 10-20 a piece. Want them shipped to your front door? Expect to get taxed.

I just paid $400 for piescream #27 direct from Skunktek. Seemed fair to me.

 

[xtsho]

Factor in to the price that clones are being sold in an online black market, a federally illegal product being trafficked across state lines, with real criminal liability to the sellers if caught. Home Depot nursery plants aren't a fair comparison.

If you want cheap clones, move to Cali and go to one of the many clone dispensary's where you can purchase for 10-20 a piece. Want them shipped to your front door? Expect to get taxed.

I just paid $400 for piescream #27 direct from Skunktek. Seemed fair to me.

You paid too much but if you're happy that's all that really matters. I have never and will never pay $400 for a clone. But as you said, move to Cali. I'm not in Cali but one state north and clones have never been a problem as far as getting good strains and nobody here is going to pay $400 a clone.

There's obviously a difference in culture as far as cannabis is concerned. Here on the West Coast we've had access to great weed for decades while on the East Coast, Midwest, and Southern states things have been significantly different as far as access is concerned. That might be a factor in driving the mindset of some that clones should demand those extreme prices.

Even taking those parameters into account I'm still unable to identify any significant increase in costs to grow cannabis than any other agricultural crop. It doesn't cost more to grow cannabis than other plants. That's a fact. People want to argue but nobody has put forth any legitimate cost increases vs other crops. What is the cost justification that warrants a 1000% increase for a plant that costs less to bring to market?

All I'm asking is for some rational explanation. All I get is deflection.

 

[Scrappy-doo]

I just gave you the cost justification.