Are Organics people more snobby than other Potheads ?

[Stoned Cold]

Is this an effort to divert the awkward question; why do you have multiple usernames?

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

I don't have multiple usernames. This is my only one.

I promised Crazy Composer I would present my case on global warming because he was interested to see it, from what I could tell, at least.

 

[Stoned Cold]

Well, humans have certainly done alot to compromise the sustainability of our planet, however, I believe we have survived THUS FAR solely on LUCK. Do not forget that we're on a rock full of lava, that flys through space at a phenomenal speed...not exactly a place you would expect to go unchanged for a long period of time!

I've been seeing us more and more as a bacteria. Even our beloved herb grows live mold spores after its 'dead'. Could our whole civilization be one giant moldy nug, waiting to be discovered and discarded?...lol
Either way; we'll be wiped out, as were the dinosaurs etc. and I, for one, am not afraid. I just hope I'm absolutely blitzed when I see a hundred foot wave!

....I really shouldnt post when I'm this high...lol....*yawns*

Later peeps!

 

[greenhead]

I'd like to take this opportunity in order to apologize to the planet in advance, because tomorrow is feeding day, and I'm going to head out to the nearest hydro store and purchase a pound of beastie bloomz.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

Humans move more earth than the earth does by itself.
Humans clear cut expansive areas of forest
They drive cars
They combust fuel in other ways
They breed animals

100billion metric tonnes of CO2 go into the atmosphere per year by nature alone
Humans emit 3billion metric tonnes
Along with their impact through methane and cows (and other processes like landfills), deforestation, release of CO2 sinks into the air (through speeded decomposition)....All of this adds up.

We know there is not a natural phenomena, as far as science can tell, that nature is causing this more than man. It is concluded and settled that it is man, until any evidence pops up that says otherwise and holds up. Your sun argument does not hold up, and is outdated, CC.

 

[Babbabud]

I think out of respect to the thread starter this thread should get back "on topic". If LGTD wants to talk global warming then a new thread should be started. This is disrespectful to the users posting ON TOPIC.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

Babba, if you look back a few pages, I checked with CC and made sure I could do this. He was interested in me responding, and I hesitated because I knew it was offtopic and long, but he suggested it'd be ok. I'll stop though if you'd like, I don't have a problem with that. I can delete the posts, too, if you'd like, but I'd like to save them first if you don't mind, because they took a long time to make. =)

Here's a link of what I'm talkin about just so you know I'm not pulling your chain
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=81114&page=14&pp=15
Start at post #206

 

[greenhead]

I think out of respect to the thread starter this thread should get back "on topic". If LGTD wants to talk global warming then a new thread should be started. This is disrespectful to the users posting ON TOPIC.

I'm the threadstarter, and it doesn't really bother me, because I believe that it merely reinforces what I was trying to say with this thread.

 

[Stoned Cold]

I'd like to take this opportunity in order to apologize to the planet in advance, because tomorrow is feeding day, and I'm going to head out to the nearest hydro store and purchase a pound of beastie bloomz.

I will pray for your forgiveness, although I should warn you, back in '96 I ran AN for a summer and have paid dearly!

Oh, I dont know that organic peeps are 'snobby', maybe condescending is a better term.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

On the topic of people being snobby -
I think the root of it is this:

When you try to teach people something, they take it personally. They see it as an attack. Some people, no matter how hard you try to be civil, and nice to them, they still take it as an attack. This triggers the notion of "Ugh, those people are snobs, telling me what to do"

We are simply telling you our beliefs. You need not take it personally! Just and then or but please, never or it'll be a !

 

[greenhead]

We are simply telling you our beliefs. You need not take it personally! Just and then or but please, never or it'll be a !

It's all good, I don't take it personally. On the other hand, I have about as much interest in listening to the beliefs of ecologically minded preachers as I have in listening to the beliefs of extremist Muslims or any other religions for that matter.

 

[greenhead]

Oh, I dont know that organic peeps are 'snobby', maybe condescending is a better term.

There's nothing wrong with being snobby I guess. I can definitely be a snob and even an evil bastard when it comes to certain topics. I just don't get worked up over nutes though.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

On the other hand, I have about as much interest in listening to the beliefs of ecologically minded....as I have in listening to the beliefs of extremist Muslims or any other religions for that matter.

May I ask, out of curiosity:

Why don't you have the interest in listening?

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

the point that I have been making is the following:

all fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides that contain any element that has been derived from petroleum extraction do in fact contain what is termed all over the globe as PETRO-CHEMICALS. Such a term simply means an element that can be found/derived/refined from crude petroleum. Moreover, the choosing to use such products inevitably leads to more of these products being made, due to demand and offer, basic economics. this creates a whole chain of manufacturing, the manufacture process has an impact upon the rate of consumption of NON-renewable natural resources.

on the other hand, you have fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides that are extracted/derived/refined from RENEWABLE natural resources, and the process to reach the needed elements does not create a wasteful chain of manufacturing if done properly.

that is it.

peace.

 

[Crazy Composer]

Thank you for posting different versions of what Al Gore presents.

The charts and graphs are very convincing, and convinced me thoroughly when I first saw other versions of them... But I must remind readers that... many of the same universities you're quoting were probably the same ones who once believed the world was flat, that we were the center of the universe, and would argue these points with as much vigour.

But regardless of whether or not the world is about to pop like a zit, I want to know why you keep changing usernames, and why every username you operate under seems to piss respectable ICMaggers off. If I were to show a pie chart of the ratio of times you've shown up on a mod radar, the evidence would be clearly not in your favour. Also, it's awful telling how you didn't seem offended when we "wrongly" accused you of being Journies/The Scientist.

Game's up, we can tell when you re-register. So you might as well play it straight with the username you're using now, and hold onto it if you care to be a part of this community.

Back to the regularly programmed schedule... Organic Snobbery.

 

[greenhead]

May I ask, out of curiosity:

Why don't you have the interest in listening?

Sure, I'll answer that. You see, the point that I was trying to make was, this is a cannabis forum, and I see environmental issues as a completely different subject, and if I felt the need to seek out that sort of information, I could simply choose to visit one of those types of forums if that was the sort of info that I was seeking out.

I already have my own views regarding the environment, global warming, etc., and I have read enough about the subject to form my own opinions. I feel that people who try to push environmental-political issues are not too different from religious people who are out to advertise and sell their beliefs. It's nothing personal, and you are certainly entitled to your beliefs.

 

[Stoned Cold]

^^^^^One of the most civil Q n A I've seen around here in a WHILE! Nice

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

Sure, I'll answer that. You see, the point that I was trying to make was, this is a cannabis forum, and I see environmental issues as a completely different subject, and if I felt the need to seek out that sort of information, I could simply choose to visit one of those types of forums if that was the sort of info that I was seeking out.

I already have my own views regarding the environment, global warming, etc., and I have read enough about the subject to form my own opinions. I feel that people who try to push environmental-political issues are not too different from religious people who are out to advertise and sell their beliefs. It's nothing personal, and you are certainly entitled to your beliefs.

so you start a thread with the title this thread has, and expect no one to speak their minds on why they choose to grow in a sustainable way? well, expectations are a bitch, eh?

it seems that if you do not want to read political or environmental talk in these forums, why start a thread that will make those points surface?
it sounds as if you are trying to get wet by drying yourself... so next time think before you speak, and avoid the talk you wish to avoid, ok?

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

Thank you for posting different versions of what Al Gore presents.

The charts and graphs are very convincing, and convinced me thoroughly when I first saw other versions of them... But I must remind readers that... many of the same universities you're quoting were probably the same ones who once believed the world was flat, that we were the center of the universe, and would argue these points with as much vigour.

But regardless of whether or not the world is about to pop like a zit, I want to know why you keep changing usernames, and why every username you operate under seems to piss respectable ICMaggers off. If I were to show a pie chart of the ratio of times you've shown up on a mod radar, the evidence would be clearly not in your favour. Also, it's awful telling how you didn't seem offended when we "wrongly" accused you of being Journies/The Scientist.

Game's up, we can tell when you re-register. So you might as well play it straight with the username you're using now, and hold onto it if you care to be a part of this community.

Back to the regularly programmed schedule... Organic Snobbery.

Just because I don't come across as offended doesn't mean I'm not. I just choose to drop the things I view as not worth discussing. There is no point of discussing this past "I disagree" or "No, I am not someone else under multiple usernames." I'm used to internet forums. This isn't the first internet forum I've been on. In my experience it is wise to drop the things that are a waste of time (arguing about others as to who I am, etc).

I come here for various reasons, and as long as I'm civil, I don't see a problem. If you think I'm someone else, fine - but I am not and have never registered on this forum before.

Anyways...It is telling to me that you choose not to rebut the evidence I presented. After all, if you are experienced with your sources, your research, these arguments - it should be pretty easy to rebut, right? O well. I can respect your opinion. If you'd like to rebut my statements on global warming, I'd be interested to see what you have to say. If not, that's cool too.

I'm not sure how I am pissing off large quantities of ICMAG users. I don't intend to and I try my best to be civil here. After that - the rest is opinion - and, I'd expect the community to respect that opinion, as long as they are presented civilly.

Have a great and shiny day. It's cloudy here.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

Sure, I'll answer that. You see, the point that I was trying to make was, this is a cannabis forum, and I see environmental issues as a completely different subject, and if I felt the need to seek out that sort of information, I could simply choose to visit one of those types of forums if that was the sort of info that I was seeking out.

I already have my own views regarding the environment, global warming, etc., and I have read enough about the subject to form my own opinions. I feel that people who try to push environmental-political issues are not too different from religious people who are out to advertise and sell their beliefs. It's nothing personal, and you are certainly entitled to your beliefs.

Man, thanks for the good spirits. It's a breath of fresh air to speak with somebody respectful of this kind of discussion.

I don't want to incessantly harp, here, and I respect your views - but I'll respond with this -

Whenever somebody tries to discuss issues with you, or put their opinion across, don't assume they are just trying to sell or advertise their beliefs, or "push" their ideas on you in a forced way.

Many a time, such as right now, people try to discuss and convey their beliefs through evidence and thought in hopes to shed new light on those who believe otherwise, or start a dialogue to find out something (in this case why you, and others, feel the way you do).

There is certainly a difference between me ignoring you, and blindly forcing my views on you, as opposed to me being open to your views and ideas, while trying to communicate my ideas towards you in a way that will leave both of us enlightened after the discussion is over.

This applies to all of life. People have their opinions, and their reasons as to why they are 'right' and others are 'not right.' This fact spans every aspect of life. So when somebody tries to strike a dialogue, keep in mind, they may not necessarily be trying to say "I'm RIGHT! Just shut up and listen to me!" Rather, they may just be trying to start a constructive dialogue to better their understanding and that of whom they speak to, with regard to , in this case, the environment.

I'm not trying to say you do or don't know all of this (and I basically just took your post and its ideas and ran freely with it, so please don't be offended), but we all tend to get flustered from time to time, and it's easy to think somebody is just trying to be a snob about a topic, when really, they may mean well, but have issues communicating or holding back their emotion, or maybe they really are a snob. Regardless, the assumption that all of these people (in this case, the ones that try to explain organic philosophy) are snobs.

PEACE!