Are Organics people more snobby than other Potheads ?

[Babbabud]

Journies got mad and left and became thescientist who got banned for trolling. So careful in your discussions here. If it is in fact Journies aka thescientist and you disagree there is a good chance you will be trolled as that has been his MO in the past.

 

[Crazy Composer]

Your first post as LiveGiveTryDie is this:

Sure. But you have to be willing to be another Tom Green. Because really, we know that's how this master plan would end up - Yummybud sucking cow utters. There's no way to avoid it!

As a brand new member, how would you be so familiar with Yummybud? Don't tell us you've been reading posts without posting, then decided to register to make this as your first post.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

That's basically what happened, although I did not register solely to make that 1st post, of course. Is that a problem?

 

[KharmaGirl]

lol Sure it is. I'm not involved in this thread but I had the exact same thoughts as the other Mods about your former identities. Conincidence, I'm sure.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

Alright, well at least Kharma is on my side.

 

[KharmaGirl]

You misunderstand Sir. I am not. I believe you are Journies/Scientist as well.

 

[Crazy Composer]

That's basically what happened. Is that a problem?

Oh, okay! That settles it then. I'll just accept that you were lurking long enough to become familiar with other members and the sagas they're involved in, then, breaking your long silence, you begin to post at breakneck speed.

BTW, your punctuation and sentence structure is the same as Journies and The Scientist too. I'm sure you can understand why we'd be alarmed, what with every last detail here pointing to you being Journies/The Scientist. But, yeah, sorry about that, my bad.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

I totally understand the confusion. I just hope that you all can put up with my punctuation, the extremely amazing coincidence, my calm discourse, and support for the herb.

 

[Crazy Composer]

Cool. We won't be watching you or anything.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

Ah, I can feel the love already. Have a good one, guys and gals.

 

[RED145]

Cool. We won't be watching you or anything.

LOL,Ok.you guy's take a break,Imma ride him rite back outta here!!He knows who the hell he is and he knows I know that you know that we know who he is!!!LOL,he'll be back in a couple weeks as therabidpundit or something wittey like that.He;s smarter than us ya know,bein a scientist and all!!

I see my buddy Karma's back too.....you guy's cant get enuf

 

[Crazy Composer]

Gotta keep these here streets clean! Can't let trouble roam free ya know! hehehe, Wait, that's what the cops are supposed to say. Ironic?

Please! A screenshot of Sgt Stedanko yelling at Harry!!! Anyone? hahaha

 

[B4O2N0G]

Gotta keep these here streets clean! Can't let trouble roam free ya know! hehehe, Wait, that's what the cops are supposed to say. Ironic?

Please! A screenshot of Sgt Stedanko yelling at Harry!!! Anyone? hahaha

 

[Crazy Composer]

Hahaha! Yes! Thank YOU!

 

[Stoned Cold]

LGTD: I didnt mean nobody CARES about pollution, I meant nobody is interested in pollutING. My bad.

I'm not sure you're open to any thoughts but your own, so I'll just continue laughing while you teach the world about itself. It IS kinda amusing.

....so WHY do you switch handles? Tell me you've never given yourself rep, better yet PMs!.....LOL...WTF?
ding-ding-ding, WE HAVE A WINNER!

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

Hey Crazy Composer, I just dug this up. I was wondering what you thought about it. I C/P'd it into here, but personally I think it's more pleasing to the eyes if you just go to their website directly.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6290228.stm
A new scientific study concludes that changes in the Sun's output cannot be causing modern-day climate change.

It shows that for the last 20 years, the Sun's output has declined, yet temperatures on Earth have risen.

It also shows that modern temperatures are not determined by the Sun's effect on cosmic rays, as has been claimed.

Writing in the Royal Society's journal Proceedings A, the researchers say cosmic rays may have affected climate in the past, but not the present.

"This should settle the debate," said Mike Lockwood, from the UK's Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory, who carried out the new analysis together with Claus Froehlich from the World Radiation Center in Switzerland.

Dr Lockwood initiated the study partially in response to the TV documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle, broadcast on Britain's Channel Four earlier this year, which featured the cosmic ray hypothesis.

"All the graphs they showed stopped in about 1980, and I knew why, because things diverged after that," he told the BBC News website.

"You can't just ignore bits of data that you don't like," he said.

Warming trend

The scientists' main approach on this new analysis was simple: to look at solar output and cosmic ray intensity over the last 30-40 years, and compare those trends with the graph for global average surface temperature, which has risen by about 0.4C over the period.

The Sun varies on a cycle of about 11 years between periods of high and low activity.

But that cycle comes on top of longer-term trends; and most of the 20th Century saw a slight but steady increase in solar output.

However, in about 1985, that trend appears to have reversed, with solar output declining.

Yet this period has seen temperatures rise as fast as - if not faster than - any time during the previous 100 years.

"This paper reinforces the fact that the warming in the last 20 to 40 years can't have been caused by solar activity," said Dr Piers Forster from Leeds University, a leading contributor to this year's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) assessment of climate science.

Cosmic relief

The IPCC's February summary report concluded that greenhouse gases were about 13 times more responsible than solar changes for rising global temperatures.

But the organisation was criticised in some quarters for not taking into account the cosmic ray hypothesis, developed by, among others, Henrik Svensmark and Eigil Friis-Christensen of the Danish National Space Center.

Their theory holds that cosmic rays help clouds to form by providing tiny particles around which water vapour can condense. Overall, clouds cool the Earth.

During periods of active solar activity, cosmic rays are partially blocked by the Sun's more intense magnetic field. Cloud formation diminishes, and the Earth warms.

Mike Lockwood's analysis appears to have put a large, probably fatal nail in this intriguing and elegant hypothesis.

He said: "I do think there is a cosmic ray effect on cloud cover. It works in clean maritime air where there isn't much else for water vapour to condense around.

"It might even have had a significant effect on pre-industrial climate; but you cannot apply it to what we're seeing now, because we're in a completely different ball game."

Drs Svensmark and Friis-Christensen could not be reached for comment.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

Why did CO2 sharply rise around the industrial age?
Is this a coincidence? Nah.
Can you show me what caused this drastic rise in CO2 (and what continues to cause it) that is non-anthropogenic?

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

Evidence from polar ice cores shows a correlation between temperatures and atmospheric CO2 concentrations over the last 160,000 yr

At this point, universities and the credible majority call this an 'airtight' connection.

Again: Why the sharp rise?
The credible majority tells us that there are no non-anthropogenic causes that can explain this.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

Why must we act NOW? Climate change is abrupt.

1.)Lang et al. (1999) used isotopic analysis of polar ice cores from central Greenland
Evidence was found of abrupt warming: 16C over 100-200 yr.
This was 70,000 years ago [Science 286:934-937]

2.)Severinghaus and Brook (1999) performed isotopic analysis of polar ice from the Greenland Summit
Evidence indicated that Greenland warmed 9C over a period of several decades, beginning roughly 15,000 yr ago [Science 286: 930-934]

3.)Katz et al. (1999) presented evidence of a massive release of methane from marine gas hydrate reservoirs on the continental slope
This event is thought to have stimulated a warming of 4-8C on Earth during Paleocene around 55.5 million yr ago [Science 286: 1531-1533]

Think: How many cows do humans propogate every year?
How much more potent is methane than CO2?
..........Mass Basis (kg-1).......Mole Basis (mol-1)
CO2................1..........................1
CH4..............70..........................25

What's this mean?
Mole for Mole, methan is 25 times more potent a GHG than CO2
Kg for Kg, it's 70 times more potent

There are an ENORMOUS amount of cows on this planet due to humans. Added to the humans' CO2 output, it adds up in a serious way.

Over the last century, the Earth’s surface has warmed by roughly 0.5oC or 1oF in the last century
Why was this number so much lower than what was predicted?
Well, it was found by Levitus et al. (2000) that the ocean has warmed .06C (in the upper 3000meters) in the last 40 years.

What does this tell us? It tells us there has actually been more warming than meets the eye on the surface, and the ocean has 'sucked up' that heat over the last 40 years. .06C doesn't seem like much, at all, but when you consider how much water that is, 3000m deep, all over the globe, as an average, that equates to (and I may be wrong on this, but I can't find it in my source for the time being) 1-2deg F for the entire globe's surface.

 

[LiveGiveTryDie]

Global warming feedbacks

Thermohaline circulation
Melting of arctic ice may dilute the North Atlantic with freshwater and interrupt the thermohaline circulation system, causing a cooling trend in the North Atlantic region.
Broecker (1997) Science 278:1582-1588

It is widely accepted that thermohaline circulations like ours reach tipping points where they can no longer sustain themselves, and their 'engine' dies down due to diluted waters in the north from melting ice caps caused by man's influence on climate. Once this happens...well..we're F'd.

Rising Sea Level in Low lying areas
Source: USGS digital data
Prepared by the US Geological Survey, 1997

Species shift in ranges
Example: maple trees in the northeast
Overpeck et al. 1991. Science 254:692-695

Melting ice affects albedo and increases global warming as a positive feedback
Ice melts >> Dark water exposed >> heat absorbed, rather than reflected off of what was once white snow/ice
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"So, LiveGiveTryDie, tell us! Isn't this stuff all just caused by the sun, moonbeams, and alien cheeseforms flushing their cosmic waste onto us!?"
No, my dear friends! It is not. How can I say this, you may be asking? Well. I am an informed person! Or, well, I try to be. So here is my informing that I will pas unto thee (thou!?)!

Figure 9: Climate model simulations of the Earth’s temperature variations compared with observed changes. Ensemble simulations were run with the global fully-coupled DOE Parallel Climate Model (PCM) employing five forcing agents that influence the time evolution of globally averaged surface air temperature during the 20th century. Two of the forcings are natural (volcanoes and solar) and the others are anthropogenic (greenhouse gases, ozone [stratospheric and tropospheric], and direct effect of sulfate aerosols). The figure shows Global Average Temperature, relative to the 1890-1919 mean, over the time period 1890-1999. The black line shows observed temperature; the blue line shows ensemble mean temperature based on simulations using natural forcings only; and the red line shows ensemble mean temperature based on simulations using both natural and anthropogenic forcings. The shadings denote the ensemble ranges.

Credit: Meehl, G.A., et al., 2004: Combinations of natural and anthropogenic forcings and 20th century climate. J. Climate, in press. Observed temperature data (black line) from Folland, C.K., et al., Geophys. Res. Lett. 28, 2621-2624.

Link: http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/Library/ocp2004-5/ocp2004-5-hi-clivar.htm
By the way, check out that link. It's got a lot of good info.