Appalachian Adventure 2016 (Let's Learn Some Shit)

[DuskrayTroubador]

...and then there were 3

...and then there were 3

So the one that was having some difficulty finally kicked the bucket. A shame, but not altogether unexpected.

The remaining 3 are starting to take off, though. Stretch is here, saw a couple pistils, so flowering has officially begun.

Here is the smallest one standing at about 4 feet:

The bushiest one which is about 5 feet tall. Really like the shape on this girl.

And the tallest one is standing at about 6 feet.

The next time I go out I'm going to tie all three of them up to the surrounding vegetation. I have a bunch of bamboo stakes; I might bring a couple of those with me as well.

I sowed some clover seed over the hay, but I'm not sure how optimistic I am that they'll take. I felt it was too risky to remove the hay; at this point I think it'd look less sketchy to have hay as opposed to just dirt while waiting for the clover to (hopefully) sprout.

Gonna hit them with some Greencure the next time I'm out, and then some BT.

I've heard a couple guys on the forum say they don't use flowering nutes. I'm not going that route per se (I'm actually still feeding 20-20-20 because they're gonna need the nitrogen, I expect them to about double in size in the next 6 or so weeks), but I'll be top dressing with an ass-ton of insect frass in a couple weeks. Before then, I might feed a mix of veg/flower nutes to get a few doses in.

Insect frass is 2-2-2, so it's not too heavy duty, but the chitin in it is not just good for inducing SAR, but also producing trichromes.


I actually have pretty high hopes for these plants. They went from being about a week behind the plants from last year (they were started four days later in the year) to being pretty much the exact same size as the ones on the same date last year. Stretch has just begun, so hopefully the gypsum, rock dust, and insect frass I amended the soil with will do some work!

 

[St. Phatty]

I was surprised by - don't see any deer protection.

If I had plants like that in my backyard or front yard, the deer would do some serious pruning.

Nice plants anyway !

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

I was surprised by - don't see any deer protection.

If I had plants like that in my backyard or front yard, the deer would do some serious pruning.

Nice plants anyway !

Are you out west?

Deer out here have such a variety of food options that they usually don't bother fucking with cannabis plants that are over 2 feet tall. If they do, they usually have one bite and decide there's better food options.

That's once nice thing about Appalachia - the lush vegetation helps keep the deer off our backs once plants are established.

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

Update: 4 days since last pics

Update: 4 days since last pics

 

[gorilla ganja]

Wow, some serious growth since I last checked in. To bad about the lost 1. Oh well 3 is better than none.
Keep up the good work DuskrayTroubador.

Peace GG

 

[Itsmychoice]

I have had good luck

I have had good luck

With cutting 8-12' saplings and leaving some branches, stripping the leaves, then cutting them sharp and pushing them in the ground deep around a plant for support. I put 3-4 just outside the drip line of the plant and sometimes wire them together with bailing wire and attach a few of the main branches as well. I would really support them well real soon and feed them at least once a week for this next month.

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

Wow, some serious growth since I last checked in. To bad about the lost 1. Oh well 3 is better than none.
Keep up the good work DuskrayTroubador.

Peace GG

It seems that I always lose 1 after they all get established. Oh well, every piece of wisdom has its price, I guess. 3 ft cages instead of two foot to give them a little extra protected time, taller stakes too.

Thanks for the kind words. This time of year is usually my strong point - my plants tend to kick it into high gear and, to some extent, make up for my issues with being late and hasty early in the season... I really gotta be on top of my shit going into next year; I need to get a solid start under my belt.

With cutting 8-12' saplings and leaving some branches, stripping the leaves, then cutting them sharp and pushing them in the ground deep around a plant for support. I put 3-4 just outside the drip line of the plant and sometimes wire them together with bailing wire and attach a few of the main branches as well. I would really support them well real soon and feed them at least once a week for this next month.

Do you mean like small tree branches? I saw that in another thread here and thought it was a good idea; relatively stealthy for smaller plants.

What I'm going to do is tie them (a tad loosely) to the stalks of the thick bushes behind them to hold them up. I also have some bamboo that I cut if I need it.

 

[Chunkypigs]

looking good! good luck with the finish.

 

[who dat is]

It seems that I always lose 1 after they all get established. Oh well, every piece of wisdom has its price, I guess. 3 ft cages instead of two foot to give them a little extra protected time, taller stakes too.

Thanks for the kind words. This time of year is usually my strong point - my plants tend to kick it into high gear and, to some extent, make up for my issues with being late and hasty early in the season... I really gotta be on top of my shit going into next year; I need to get a solid start under my belt.



Do you mean like small tree branches? I saw that in another thread here and thought it was a good idea; relatively stealthy for smaller plants.

What I'm going to do is tie them (a tad loosely) to the stalks of the thick bushes behind them to hold them up. I also have some bamboo that I cut if I need it.

looking good! good luck with the finish.

Chunky, show him your Blair Witch Project support cage and also Willow clone stakes!

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

Chunky, show him your Blair Witch Project support cage and also Willow clone stakes!

bahahahaha

 

[Itsmychoice]

Yep

Yep

Long tree branches or young trees cut sharp on the fat end with a hatchet so you can shove them deep in the ground around the plants. I make them taller than the plants with branches and a few leaves up high. Tie the plants biggest limbs to them in a few spots. These afternoon storms can lay a branch over and it's done. It's been humid so I would also get a plan together for some mildew treatments. They are looking good and will be something great in just 5-6 weeks so do it. Sorry man I skipped outdoor this year and wish I hadn't.

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

^I'm spraying another round of Greencure here shortly.

Will drooping netting over the plants do enough to hold up the branches? This is a guerrilla op and I'm not trying to go out there erecting cages and shit; it's just not feasible or particularly smart security wise all things considered.

 

[who dat is]

Chunky, show him your Blair Witch Project support cage and also Willow clone stakes!

Long tree branches or young trees cut sharp on the fat end with a hatchet so you can shove them deep in the ground around the plants. I make them taller than the plants with branches and a few leaves up high. Tie the plants biggest limbs to them in a few spots. These afternoon storms can lay a branch over and it's done. It's been humid so I would also get a plan together for some mildew treatments. They are looking good and will be something great in just 5-6 weeks so do it. Sorry man I skipped outdoor this year and wish I hadn't.

^I'm spraying another round of Greencure here shortly.

Will drooping netting over the plants do enough to hold up the branches? This is a guerrilla op and I'm not trying to go out there erecting cages and shit; it's just not feasible or particularly smart security wise all things considered.

Sorry if I'm stealing your thunder Chunky but I thought it was a good idea that Duskray here could maybe use too.

Also, Greencure is only potassium bicarbonate and works by changes the surface pH of the leaves. It won't last for long and I'm sure it washes off. Are you familiar with two products called Actinovate or Serenade? They both do similar things as far as eating up Powdery Mildew. They are biological controls that eat the fruit of the PM fungus. They might stick around on the plant longer than the Greencure?

Lastly, are you feeding your plants supplemental silicon? I've heard that it can help with PM and can also strengthen up your plants leaves, stems, branches, etc.

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

Sorry if I'm stealing your thunder Chunky but I thought it was a good idea that Duskray here could maybe use too.

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Also, Greencure is only potassium bicarbonate and works by changes the surface pH of the leaves. It won't last for long and I'm sure it washes off. Are you familiar with two products called Actinovate or Serenade? They both do similar things as far as eating up Powdery Mildew. They are biological controls that eat the fruit of the PM fungus. They might stick around on the plant longer than the Greencure?

Lastly, are you feeding your plants supplemental silicon? I've heard that it can help with PM and can also strengthen up your plants leaves, stems, branches, etc.

What in the fuck is that contraption?
I'm gonna have to take a closer look at that thing and try to replicate it.

I've heard of both of those, Who Dat. I could go and get them, but what do you think about Tea Tree oil instead? I used that earlier in the season and haven't had any problems yet, although I sprayed it too late in the morning and it burnt the shit out of the leaves. I imagine the oil will stick around much longer?

Thanks for reminding me about silicon. (Is that the same thing as Silica?) I have a bag of Agsil16 (potassium silicate from buildasoil) that I mix into foliar sprays; it's also water soluble, so I'll water some in too along with more insect frass and ferts.

EDIT: that looks like wire, though. I would have to buy new wire to make it and I'd also have to spraypaint it. It could work pretty well, I also have some bamboo stakes that I can use but the only thing is anything shiny like that will stick out like a sore thumb. Would netting work just as well? That's much more feasible.

 

[who dat is]

What in the fuck is that contraption?
I'm gonna have to take a closer look at that thing and try to replicate it.

I've heard of both of those, Who Dat. I could go and get them, but what do you think about Tea Tree oil instead? I used that earlier in the season and haven't had any problems yet, although I sprayed it too late in the morning and it burnt the shit out of the leaves. I imagine the oil will stick around much longer? The oil would have to be properly emulsified to apply it. It might last longer than green cure but I'm sure anything will wash off given enough time. You'll have to keep it up as part of your IPM program.

Thanks for reminding me about silicon. (Is that the same thing as Silica?) I have a bag of Agsil16 (potassium silicate from buildasoil) that I mix into foliar sprays; it's also water soluble, so I'll water some in too along with more insect frass and ferts. Yes

EDIT: that looks like wire, though. I would have to buy new wire to make it and I'd also have to spraypaint it. It could work pretty well, I also have some bamboo stakes that I can use but the only thing is anything shiny like that will stick out like a sore thumb. Would netting work just as well? That's much more feasible.

Hopefully Chunky will chime in again on how he built it but I want to say that he used twine to hold the sticks together and the whole point of these creations was using materials that were natural and right around where the plants are growing so you have minimal shit you have to drag into the woods. Chunky?

 

[Itsmychoice]

Discret is key

Discret is key

That's why it's branches or young trees, disguise it and support it. Bailing wire is cheap, easy, and almost invisible from a few steps away.

 

[Chunkypigs]

Hopefully Chunky will chime in again on how he built it but I want to say that he used twine to hold the sticks together and the whole point of these creations was using materials that were natural and right around where the plants are growing so you have minimal shit you have to drag into the woods. Chunky?

there's some green plant wire in there as well as jute twine and sticks and trellis netting.

just the uprights before I tied them together. if you cut wishbone shaped branches it works the best.

this plant I put in at the base of a huge dead Hemlock and I'm using some of the dead branches to tie things together.

about 3-4 weeks after training.

it blends in well until you are on top of it.

 

[Kygiacomo!!!]

So the one that was having some difficulty finally kicked the bucket. A shame, but not altogether unexpected.

The remaining 3 are starting to take off, though. Stretch is here, saw a couple pistils, so flowering has officially begun.

Here is the smallest one standing at about 4 feet:

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The bushiest one which is about 5 feet tall. Really like the shape on this girl.

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And the tallest one is standing at about 6 feet.

View Image

The next time I go out I'm going to tie all three of them up to the surrounding vegetation. I have a bunch of bamboo stakes; I might bring a couple of those with me as well.

I sowed some clover seed over the hay, but I'm not sure how optimistic I am that they'll take. I felt it was too risky to remove the hay; at this point I think it'd look less sketchy to have hay as opposed to just dirt while waiting for the clover to (hopefully) sprout.

Gonna hit them with some Greencure the next time I'm out, and then some BT.

I've heard a couple guys on the forum say they don't use flowering nutes. I'm not going that route per se (I'm actually still feeding 20-20-20 because they're gonna need the nitrogen, I expect them to about double in size in the next 6 or so weeks), but I'll be top dressing with an ass-ton of insect frass in a couple weeks. Before then, I might feed a mix of veg/flower nutes to get a few doses in.

Insect frass is 2-2-2, so it's not too heavy duty, but the chitin in it is not just good for inducing SAR, but also producing trichromes.


I actually have pretty high hopes for these plants. They went from being about a week behind the plants from last year (they were started four days later in the year) to being pretty much the exact same size as the ones on the same date last year. Stretch has just begun, so hopefully the gypsum, rock dust, and insect frass I amended the soil with will do some work!

u will love the insect frass. i just got my bud factor x in to. i top dress with the frass and i give a light misting to my buds early in the morning and u talk about a stickly,out of this world bag appeal they give together. i have found my combo lol. i tie my plants up to the local vegatation to. i use black yarn or green as it blends in perfect.here is in my panama i love tis fkn plant and its going on my list for nxt year to. i have a nepjam jam to that has some purple on it and no one else has said they seen a purple NJ. i wish i could keep a clone as i might have something sprca=ial https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=65762&pictureid=1636935

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

^ Lookin' good, KY! I'm gonna have to swap out the rope I used (that is mold/rot resistant!) for something darker in color. Looked better in the store than it did in the bush.

^^ That's fuckin' sweet. Do those 'cages' help much with keeping the whole plant upright in big storms or is it mainly just branch support?

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

Went out today and tied the plants up to keep them upright; we've supposedly got some big storms coming. Not worried about branches yet since they're only starting to bud, but I'll address that soon enough. Also took some more pics:

(Same plant as above but different angle)

This one's about 7' now

And I couldn't let Shcrews and Who Dat completely dominate the scenic picture game, so here's some Appalachian beauty for all'yall: