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Anything outdoors 2020

therevverend

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Are those dead leaves in your pot?
Thats a no.no
Dead and dying plant material attracts pests, pathogens, and mold
With true organic growing that just adds to a healthy ecosystem. All my leaves go on the hole. Organics is the opposite of a sterile environment.
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It's funny how things change. The old grow books I have say to always put the yellow leaves in the container, they contain nutrients which the plants eat. Then spider mites, powdery mildew, soil gnats, and the rest moved in and growers realized that pest numbers concentrate on the dying leaves. Removing all the dead leaves, especially in indoor growing, became the fashion of the time.

Now it's come full circle. People are doing a lot of different stuff. Companion planting and stuffing their old plants back into their soil. If you're growing healthy disease free plants in a dry climate you're adding back into the system, feeding your herd. My climate is too wet, I usually have some fan leaves scattered through my patch but I remove most of them because I don't want a layer of moldy leaves to pile up. As far as Red's grow, 'the proof is in the pudding', you can tell he's kicking ass and knows what he's doing.

Royal Kush x 5G Blue

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Notice how all my pictures lately either have a grey foggy or yellow smokey haze in the background. 10 days I believe without direct sunlight although it came close today for a few minutes. Then a weird wet mist blew in, it was raining lightly with the sun burning through it. Mother nature is out of season, the smoke ended summer prematurely. It's gone full blown into autumn and the plants know it. Check out what the smoke and moisture did to my hop vines.

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Evil times.
 

RED 1

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It's funny how things change. The old grow books I have say to always put the yellow leaves in the container, they contain nutrients which the plants eat. Then spider mites, powdery mildew, soil gnats, and the rest moved in and growers realized that pest numbers concentrate on the dying leaves. Removing all the dead leaves, especially in indoor growing, became the fashion of the time.

Now it's come full circle. People are doing a lot of different stuff. Companion planting and stuffing their old plants back into their soil. If you're growing healthy disease free plants in a dry climate you're adding back into the system, feeding your herd. My climate is too wet, I usually have some fan leaves scattered through my patch but I remove most of them because I don't want a layer of moldy leaves to pile up. As far as Red's grow, 'the proof is in the pudding', you can tell he's kicking ass and knows what he's doing.

Royal Kush x 5G Blue

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Strawberry Glue

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Notice how all my pictures lately either have a grey foggy or yellow smokey haze in the background. 10 days I believe without direct sunlight although it came close today for a few minutes. Then a weird wet mist blew in, it was raining lightly with the sun burning through it. Mother nature is out of season, the smoke ended summer prematurely. It's gone full blown into autumn and the plants know it. Check out what the smoke and moisture did to my hop vines.

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Evil times.
Every day is a good day, even on a bad day, at the end of the day
Morning coffee ,African Sativa x Afghani 00 F1,even if a 3rd storm decides to pay a visit this summer, question is, do I have enough in a jar to go indoors for 3 months and get some autokillers on the go?
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Great outdoors

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It's funny how things change. The old grow books I have say to always put the yellow leaves in the container, they contain nutrients which the plants eat. Then spider mites, powdery mildew, soil gnats, and the rest moved in and growers realized that pest numbers concentrate on the dying leaves. Removing all the dead leaves, especially in indoor growing, became the fashion of the time.

Now it's come full circle. People are doing a lot of different stuff. Companion planting and stuffing their old plants back into their soil. If you're growing healthy disease free plants in a dry climate you're adding back into the system, feeding your herd. My climate is too wet, I usually have some fan leaves scattered through my patch but I remove most of them because I don't want a layer of moldy leaves to pile up. As far as Red's grow, 'the proof is in the pudding', you can tell he's kicking ass and knows what he's doing.



Evil times.


As you say things have come full circle. 20yrs ago I would have thrown the leaves as far from the plant as I could. Now leaves go on the hole, I don't pull weeds and I never till. I also never have a need to spray or control any bugs or mildew, etc. Healthy organic plants take care of themselves naturally.
Any weeds I cut and any organic material goes right on the hole. Every last bit of stalk and leaf from this years plants will be chipped up and put on it's hole for next year's plant.

Blue Dream

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RED 1

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Golden Tiger Thai Dom

Golden Tiger Thai Dom

Every day is a good day, even on a bad day, at the end of the day
Morning coffee ,African Sativa x Afghani 00 F1,even if a 3rd storm decides to pay a visit this summer, question is, do I have enough in a jar to go indoors for 3 months and get some autokillers on the go?
:)

She's been fed 3 times since May,when a seed
Last 2 feeds where PK Boosters for growth and flowering simultaneously
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BioBizz AllMix/LightMix in 27ltr
 

Bmac1

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I noticed mites on my SourA5Haze yesterday and am contemplating just turning her. Not certain what i was thinking putting a 12 week haze hybrid outside here but it has been a fun little project and learning experience. I am just about to get rocking inside again and I can't have this project mucking it up inside and I am just playing with fire by keeping it i think.
 

tobedetermined

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Ayahuasca Purple starting to live up to its name.

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I was away for a week & the pm assault continued while I was gone. I have picked more than 50 leaves off the plants today in a forced defol. They need a couple more weeks . . .
 

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I noticed mites on my SourA5Haze yesterday and am contemplating just turning her. Not certain what i was thinking putting a 12 week haze hybrid outside here but it has been a fun little project and learning experience. I am just about to get rocking inside again and I can't have this project mucking it up inside and I am just playing with fire by keeping it i think.

Lol similar situation here. Two Skunk x Haze testers from PeakSeeds. Just started flowering the other week meanwhile this Timewarp cross is almost done. One has been in some perpetual overwatered state hanging out in the shade trying to recover. Haven't watered it in ages but the soil on top and a few inches in is still plenty moist, though maybe the bottom of the 15g smart pot has dried out? I don't know. The stalk on it is very big compared to the other or any of the other 2nd phase plants I started in April. The other haze plant was doing okay then was infested with gnats randomly. There was like 3-4 black gnats in every small emerging bud and tons under the leaves plus lots of delightful eggs. The only plant this year that had an insect infestation. Hit it pretty hard with some diluted peroxide spray then just went ballistic with some neem/karanja oil spray for good measure. Bugs gone but buds seem slightly damaged/browned. Oh well, looks like they wont finish until November anyway...

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Here are some plants that aren't hating life. I'm no master gardener but they're doing okay considering the neglect to due mass corona depression/anxiety and being busy with kids.

All peak seeds stuff with the exception of that hilarious runt. There are some white rhino fem seeds around the corner that are doing okay too that I might post some pics of another time.


(Texada Timewarp x Sweet Skunk) X C99.

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Closer view of the top of Texada Skunk C99

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SS X C99. 7 females from a 10 pack. Gave one to a friend and this is the only pink pistil one out of the 7. They are all crazy uniform looking plants otherwise.

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"girl scout cookies" fem seed I was gifted by a family member. Out of the 6 seeds 2 died and 3 were horrendously mutated. Just atrocious genetics or its meant to be grown inside with nutrients? Glad I didn't pay for this. Next to a tall Nothern Skunk for scale.

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Testing a Nothern Lights x Haze cross thats doing all right and SHOULD be able to finish but it looks pretty generic.

Until next time.
 
The conditions here have been terrible between the smoke and now the rain. Haven't had sunlight on my patch for 10 days. I'm hoping that ends today, I can see a patch of blue through the morning clouds but a big storm is likely to blow through on Wednesday. Growing in this climate is always frustrating but this year has got me chewing on my knuckles. Everything was on cruise control, a perfect beautiful September until smokeageddon happened which added a sadistic twist to the annual mold tragedy........



I hear ya. Though the climate in my area is usually damn near ideal all season long, I've been dealing with some things this time around.

My plants were looking glorious until a bit over a month ago when I was hit with the beginning of a hemp/russet mite infestation and the beginning of several weeks of smoke blocking out the sun.

My plants went basically an entire month with out any direct & full spectrum sunlight. About 5 days ago was the first time my flowers and I have seen any direct sunshine or blue sky since about Aug 17th. Some days were quite dim & dark. (central valley of cali, smoke got trapped and filled in the valley for a while)

There were several days of mild to moderate amounts of ash falling on the plants, which will provide some potassium and minerals but I hate seeing the plants and baby buds covered in ashes and the ash getting into the nooks & crannies between the trichomes. (a gentle wash down from the hose did the trick tho)

I also had an ordeal with hemp/russet mites for my first time this grow (but seem to have the situation under control at this point)...So between the mites and the several weeks of thick smokey days blocking out the sun my plants def won't be getting close to their full potential this time around.

....with that said tho, considering it all, some of the tops of my plants are looking pretty darn good right now.









No you can not have both organic and sterile. That is an oxymoron.
You think because organisms enjoy old leaves they will attack your roots, lol. How well would the plant have done in nature all these years if that was the case?
You are talking pseudo organics not true organics. My 6 inches of mulch along with the top dressings is full of roots and becomes soil by the end of the season. That's called composting on the soil. Plants love it, that is how it happened naturally for millenia.



Yea, old leaves decomposing attracting organisms that will attack roots makes no sense to me. It adds to soil life and some minerals and nutes will return to the soil. I top dress with all sorts of things, alfalfa, kelp, bone meal, aloe vera, feather meal, etc etc along with a layer of mulch on top. The same organisms/bacteria/fungi that break down those materials are the same sorts of organisms that'll break down cannabis leaves (tho no doubt some materials will attract more specific organisms compared to others).

That's how things go down in nature. That's how a top soil is created and rich with life. Growing organically things tend to balance out, and a healthy plant should not be bothered by the typical biome of life/decomposers in the top soil.

I grow organically/live soil (some in ground, and some in 30 gal fabric pots) and almost all of my leaves and trimmings are mulched around the top soil (most stay where they land). They do break down pretty quickly.

I mulch the top soil of all of my plants with a layer of clippings of grass, nettles, mallow, & other common weeds from around the yard...and that breaks down fast enough through out the grow that I usually have to put a new layer down before the season is over. It depends on one's climate and soil life, but it doesn't take long for some leaves to decompose.









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Great outdoors

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I hear ya. Though the climate in my area is usually damn near ideal all season long, I've been dealing with some things this time around.

My plants were looking glorious until a bit over a month ago when I was hit with the beginning of a hemp/russet mite infestation and the beginning of several weeks of smoke blocking out the sun.

My plants went basically an entire month with out any direct & full spectrum sunlight. About 5 days ago was the first time my flowers and I have seen any direct sunshine or blue sky since about Aug 17th. Some days were quite dim & dark. (central valley of cali, smoke got trapped and filled in the valley for a while)

There were several days of mild to moderate amounts of ash falling on the plants, which will provide some potassium and minerals but I hate seeing the plants and baby buds covered in ashes and the ash getting into the nooks & crannies between the trichomes. (a gentle wash down from the hose did the trick tho)

I also had an ordeal with hemp/russet mites for my first time this grow (but seem to have the situation under control at this point)...So between the mites and the several weeks of thick smokey days blocking out the sun my plants def won't be getting close to their full potential this time around.

....with that said tho, considering it all, some of the tops of my plants are looking pretty darn good right now.













Yea, old leaves decomposing attracting organisms that will attack roots makes no sense to me. It adds to soil life and some minerals and nutes will return to the soil. I top dress with all sorts of things, alfalfa, kelp, bone meal, aloe vera, feather meal, etc etc along with a layer of mulch on top. The same organisms/bacteria/fungi that break down those materials are the same sorts of organisms that'll break down cannabis leaves (tho no doubt some materials will attract more specific organisms compared to others).

That's how things go down in nature. That's how a top soil is created and rich with life. Growing organically things tend to balance out, and a healthy plant should not be bothered by the typical biome of life/decomposers in the top soil.

I grow organically/live soil (some in ground, and some in 30 gal fabric pots) and almost all of my leaves and trimmings are mulched around the top soil (most stay where they land). They do break down pretty quickly.

I mulch the top soil of all of my plants with a layer of clippings of grass, nettles, mallow, & other common weeds from around the yard...and that breaks down fast enough through out the grow that I usually have to put a new layer down before the season is over. It depends on one's climate and soil life, but it doesn't take long for some leaves to decompose.









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As far as smoke goes I have had summers here in BC were the entire summer was so smokey you had to drive with fog lights. Surprisingly the plants still grew well. It seems the light penetrates the smoke fine for plants even if we can't notice it.
 

RoostaPhish

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Yt just recommended me a video of a farm in Colorado. A few acres covered with at least 6 inches of snow. Everything smashed to the ground. I had that happen to me before, but my plants were way farther along and were still salvagable. Theirs, not so much...
 

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Yt just recommended me a video of a farm in Colorado. A few acres covered with at least 6 inches of snow. Everything smashed to the ground. I had that happen to me before, but my plants were way farther along and were still salvagable. Theirs, not so much...

I remember many moons ago going to help a buddy chop and there was over a foot of snow that had fallen the night before.
When we got to the patch we thought he had been ripped off as it was just a meadow of snow. Then we noticed the slight bulges in the snow. 6 foot plants all buried.
We cut it and it actually turned out all right, lol.
 

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the ultra early love potion
is in the same tote as the boreal lights, notice at the end of the video moldy plants that i always leave melt down to see what happen to the other plants i'm testing with the intention of choosing for next year...
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