ANY NIRVANA STRAINS i.b.l.'s ??

[ganjalf]

if you want to get anal and scientific, another f-generation of dc. either way, it was very obvious with what i was trying to convey.

and about the og comment, prove me wrong about nirvana. seems to me that theyre the highest selling seedbank on SB. not to mention all the satisfied reports.

Excuse me for at least trying to be a bit scientific in the breeders forum!

I guess you know as much about statistics as you do growing/breeding?
Are you saying that if you sell 1 million packs of F2 seeds, there is a chance of 0 that someone will end up with a pack of all runts? Or that the beans couldn't have been too old, or been mishandled in any way?

Based on sales, Hyundai has better cars than Porsche? I'm quite sure you can find lots of happy Hyundai owners, but that won't make their cars faster or handling better.

 

[Reign of Terror]

ok man, for one. i dont even know how you would remeber my comment on og as i didnt. and that was well over a year ago if im correct.

two, there's a possibility than anything can happen. its call possibility. but from what i recall, the person made a comment about nirvana.

three, hyundai and porsche are companys with different heritage and different aims in the way they make their cars, so that analogy of yours fell off.

and i missed your comment about me popping some seeds. ive said this before...one, im poor, real poor. this comp, is less than $200 and is as slow as molassess. and thus i cant afford a digi. 2, my grow location takes some stealth to get to, and i cant be bothered with walking over there all the time to post pics due to my and the grow spots location. im not going to satisfy you or anyone else to possibly lose my grow.

anyways, im done discussing this, as it takes away from the thread.

 

[DocLeaf]

Hi folks

Try play with Haze#19xSkunk

f2 or otherwise haze strains tend to get stronger when out/interbred anyhow.
h#19xskunk is well worth every penny at £9.99,,, if you want big plants to play with.
as for viability,,, we used to sow these seed in lots of 100 with 98% viability.

"when we ignore abstraction, we hold fast to substance..."

peace dLeaf

 

[GoodbyeBlueSky]

Nirvana's strains are all based on seed bank genes... so strains that exist as an IBL by other seed banks... think Hindu Kush, O Haze, Skunk #1... they're probobly just one more generation inbred when you buy them from Nirvana.

as far as the whole F2 question... that of course assumes that the generation they were inbreeding was F1... which is often not the case.

 

[ganjalf]

ok man, for one. i dont even know how you would remeber my comment on og as i didnt. and that was well over a year ago if im correct.

It was May last year, I guess...

two, there's a possibility than anything can happen. its call possibility. but from what i recall, the person made a comment about nirvana.

And you still claimed it had to be the growers fault.

three, hyundai and porsche are companys with different heritage and different aims in the way they make their cars, so that analogy of yours fell off.

Are you saying that Nirvana and MNS don't have different heritage(both seedstock and educational) and different aims in the way they make their seeds?

How big would Nirvana be, if every breeder sold beans at 15$/pack?

 

[Guest]

Either way, you win with Nirvana. If you get stable genetics, you get a cheap ibl..if you get variety, you get a really good chance to find an incredible mom for cheap. They wouldn't still be around if they weren't legit.
I buy most of my clothes at k-mart. It's alot cheaper and about the same quality(depending on what you get) as any brand name store.

 

[Delta9-THC]

not much to add ... except nirvana have always proven results for me ....

Peace

 

[Ronley]

Can someone please tell me what does IBL stand for?

 

[Guest]

Hey Ronley, IBL=In Breeded Line. I personally like Nirvana seeds and will always have extra packs of K2 and Papaya around my stash.
Take care,
BG

 

[Ronley]

Thanks BG, I would never have guessed that.
next question please, what is meant by IBL?

 

[Guest]

Are you asking "What" IBL is? If so, you grow out a strain. You take the brother and sister and make seeds. You then grow out those seeds. Take those brothers and sisters and do the same and so on. I'm bad about the mood and tone of a person online. If your joking around or being serious. It's over my head this morning. Not feeling to well today. Sick and feeling like shit.
Take care,
BG

 

[Ronley]

Thanks for that explanation, Billy.
I get confused with all these terms.

Essentially, its what I do when trying to keep my strains "pure" and not coss breeding the strains.

But on my present run, I got mostly females and 1 good healthy Annac Male. Whom I used to cross with Cappocino and Stakonia.
I cant wait to grow that X and see this result.

Its fun to put a term to what I am doing. Makes it sound all the more professional.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for that explanation, Billy.
I get confused with all these terms.

Essentially, its what I do when trying to keep my strains "pure" and not coss breeding the strains.

But on my present run, I got mostly females and 1 good healthy Annac Male. Whom I used to cross with Cappocino and Stakonia.
I cant wait to grow that X and see this result.

Its fun to put a term to what I am doing. Makes it sound all the more professional.

Glad to help out. I miss that Black Thai you grew out. Man, that was a awesome plant. Sleepy's turned out awesome also. Seem to me, that these seeds turned out pretty good. I really can't wait to grow all of mine out. You can bet i'll be making some seeds with these. As long as i got one good male and female. Glad to hear your doing well and doing some crossing of your own.
Take care,
BG

 

[motaco]

i wasnt stating some of there strains werent ibls

but theyre f2's of orig genetics

i can make f2's of DC, you get me?

no. no u can't. thats the point of stabilized genes. it would be f8 or f9 or whatever filial generation it was.


COMPLETELY different than wild f2's.

an f2 will show wild recessive traits from both parents. if you have a stable cross it means its AT LEAST f5. if you cross two stable plants of the same family together you don't get more wild f2's. you'll confuse the shit out of people saying that. if you don't know its better to let it go.

p1 x p1= f1. about 50 percent of each plant and hybrid vigor.

f1 x f1 =f2 wily and unpredictable.

f2 x f2 = even more unpredictable.

depending how you breed you may choose to go old fasion and combine f3's now or EDIT: OOPS if your not breeding straight across f's you may like to use the best female f2 crossed to original p1 pappa and the best male f3 to the original p1 mamma. and use them to make your f4

by now you should start getting semi stable and by f5 f6 you should be dealing with stable plants

so now if you cross an f7 and an f7 u get the same shit. stable results

don't confuse people. two f8 don't give an f2. and it wasn't clear what you were trying to say if you don't know about breeding. it would give you offspring is all you really said. but you said f2. which is something totally different.

masterlow is confused enough.

so if you buy a pack of bubblegum. which has been stable since the late 80's I think. make your own seeds. you made more stable bubblegums. not f2's that would show wild traits of both parents.

so for the record nirvana SHOULD have stable knock off bubblegum, skunk, nl, etc.

notice I capitalized should. having grown nirvana afghani which has no reason not to be a stable knockoff, its was at least 50 percent sativa so don't count on it.

-edit. I didn't read this entire thread so excuse me if someone more qualified explained this already or if ROT explained himself better.

 

[Guest]

yes RoT, I don't mean to be rude, but I have noticed you often giving advice of a plainly spurious kind


like the one about how to cheat a drug test: by drying out bleach on your hands and then pissing over your hands
that was the just the more memorable of the examples

anyway, I am familiar with the temptation to hold forth about things, apologies if I appear harsh

Namkha

 

[motaco]

like the one about how to cheat a drug test: by drying out bleach on your hands and then pissing over your hands
that was the just the more memorable of the examples


Namkha

actually I saw a coke head on an HBO documentary get away with that. it wasn't dehydrated his fingers were drippin with it and I was amazed he got away with it.

I guess back in the early 90's they used to just use this cheap shake and check models. sure wouldn't work on a gas chromatograph like they use today.

 

[Guest]

no. no u can't. thats the point of stabilized genes. it would be f8 or f9 or whatever filial generation it was.


COMPLETELY different than wild f2's.

an f2 will show wild recessive traits from both parents. if you have a stable cross it means its AT LEAST f5. if you cross two stable plants of the same family together you don't get more wild f2's. you'll confuse the shit out of people saying that. if you don't know its better to let it go.

p1 x p1= f1. about 50 percent of each plant and hybrid vigor.

f1 x f1 =f2 wily and unpredictable.

f2 x f2 = even more unpredictable.

depending how you breed you may choose to go old fasion and combine f3's now or you may like to use the orignal p1 pappa pollen and select an f3 u like to go with it.

by now you should start getting semi stable and by f5 f6 you should be dealing with stable plants

so now if you cross an f7 and an f7 u get the same shit. stable results

don't confuse people. two f8 don't give an f2. and it wasn't clear what you were trying to say if you don't know about breeding. it would give you offspring is all you really said. but you said f2. which is something totally different.

masterlow is confused enough.

so if you buy a pack of bubblegum. which has been stable since the late 80's I think. make your own seeds. you made more stable bubblegums. not f2's that would show wild traits of both parents.

so for the record nirvana SHOULD have stable knock off bubblegum, skunk, nl, etc.

notice I capitalized should. having grown nirvana afghani which has no reason not to be a stable knockoff, its was at least 50 percent sativa so don't count on it.

-edit. I didn't read this entire thread so excuse me if someone more qualified explained this already or if ROT explained himself better.

So, your saying that the F5 NL#5 seeds i have will be even more stable once grown out and seeds are made from female and male that i use? That's if they are true F5 seeds. Good to see other's sharing info and helping others. I know i still have alot to learn. Thank god for IC, other sites, and books. lolol
Thanks Motaco,
BG

 

[motaco]

yes. presumably.

but it is also a good probability with a strain as stable as NL anyway that at f5 its plenty stable.

the thing is they're not going to get more stable once they're stable. well maybe a lil but pretty much once they're stable thats how they stay.

what I'm trying to say is its not like at f6 they're mostly stable, and at f9 they produce clone like results. there will always be some variance between seeds regardless of how stable.

but at some point. presumably around f5-f6 (depending on strain too) they will be mostly stable and then considered completely stable.

 

[motaco]

its times like these I really miss the seperation of forums between strains and hybridization and breeders lab like back at OG.

goddamn they had some good info in that breeders lab.


I would also like to mention though. there is NOTHING wrong with f2's or f3 providing you have the space for selection. they reach DEEP into genetic background of parents and pull out shit you couldn't find anywhere else sometimes.

particularly useful for people looking for a particular kind of stone.

you can find really unique plants that have combined genes in odd ways.


alot of freaks and runts though beware.

check out this quad. u know how plants put out two budsites per node?

this funny fella put out 4. it was a (trainwreck x swt 3) x (blueberry x ssh)






u can see the 4 fan leaf stems on this pic


only supposed to have 2 like this



EDIT excuse me I made a big mistake in my breeding explanation. I just caught it. I meant to say that at f2 u cross the best female f2 to the p1 pappa to make f3 then at f3 take the best male and cross it to the original p1 mamma. but that is all assuming you are using the p1 stock during your breeding program. crossing nothing but the same filial generation works too.

its a lil tougher and sets the plant up from depression sooner though.

 

[chizzleonetime]

'so if you buy a pack of bubblegum. which has been stable since the late 80's I think. make your own seeds. you made more stable bubblegums. not f2's that would show wild traits of both parents.' i know certain companys bubblegum are stable but nirvanas i beg to differ there were at least 2 diff phenos not that am complaining i paid ten pound for the seeds