any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[dansbuds]

It turns out that the SFV OG that i've had in the flower room for 64 days now is NOT in fact SFV .... which SUX cuz i really wanted to try the SFV . they grew way to fukin big to be an OG
but i came in here with that cuz i had to show this grow done on V&B fed no higher than 1.3 & a 4 day feed of the +size at 35 days . these things blew up !!! not gonna completely say its genetics cuz my buddy grew it first on CNS17 & did what we thought was very well with it ..... untill they grew here lol . the V&B had to be a good part in these doing so well .

64 days , got another 10 more to go i'd say .

 

[RB26]

Always killing it dan!

 

[organiclover]

V+B and RO - larry OG

V+B and RO - larry OG

 

[RB26]

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Beautiful, what EC have you been running?

 

[Caravaggio]

We are in week 5-6 with V+B dirty for our second time around. The only issue we are seeing is the plants seem a bit weak. Other than that we are getting great growth. Still hate the issues with residue in the reservoirs. We lost a pump as well do to lack of a filter over it and using V+B for 80 gals.

If you are gonna use the dirty you MUST use a filter over your pumps. The stuff has a ton of residue.

 

[organiclover]

that run was in pro mix and maxed out at EC 1.6 with no boosters - if you notice in one of the pics there is a wilting leaf which is a sign that i was running a touch hot .... larry seems to like a solid diet around EC 1.5 and a weekly flush at half strength - i didn't feed much the last ten days and have noticed that V+B def seems to build up in the medium over time so it is really important to work in some flushing and taper off at the end. i have had some issues with sativa's not chunking up at the end (and they have chunked up when friends were growing the same strain with different nutes). I am still trying to figure this out and get the sativa's dialed. I think they might be sensitive to excess nutes in the medium ......... anyone have any comments on this ?

 

[dansbuds]

yeah with sativas i'd use a much lower EC . like 1.2 max & a 2 week leaching at the end with nothing but PH'ed water to flush everything out .
even some of my hybrids are doing alot better with an EC of no higher than 1.2 or 1.3 .
i haven't really needed to flush once a week with EC levels that low & i'm in coco . i tend to check runoff now at week 4 befre the boost & right before i start leaching & they've been in good range lately , not high at all

 

[StardustGardens]

This is my Melted Cookies grown with A+B with some plus size.
I never went past 940 ppm.
This has been my most impressive grow in 23 years. For the past 3 years I have been using Canna and A+B has out performed Canna in every aspect.

 

[Caravaggio]

This is my Melted Cookies grown with A+B with some plus size.
I never went past 940 ppm.
This has been my most impressive grow in 23 years. For the past 3 years I have been using Canna and A+B has out performed Canna in every aspect.

940ppm on a .5 or .7 scale?

 

[StardustGardens]

using a blue lab on .5

 

[Caravaggio]

using a blue lab on .5

Cool cool. Thats about where we are at as well.

 

[ICbuds]

I'm running these sativas around 2EC which is 1000 on a .5 scale.

 

[Weeded1s]

Hey guys I need some help. Ive been using hr veg bloom since it smelled like gatorade and was recomended to use tap water in dwc (bad idea..root rot and major deff.). Ive used in all kinds of ways and it seems to be good when its working. Ive talked to chris plenty of times and while hes a cool cat im having trouble with deffeciencies again. The thing thats bothering me a little was it started out 1 tsp per gal and your good with the old stuff ro version (recomended feeding). Then plants burned so he said feed low and work your way up. That isnt working either .I switched to dirty version. The deff. that looks like mag. is back. Im using the dirty with +life.Now I have ruined over 20 diff. Awesome strains(gems...ha og, goji og, jupiter, chem d, etc etc.) trying to figure out the hr veg bloom fantasy mag prblem. At this point im pretty upset as my plants are doing it again. Ive read this whole post and I have a few ?s if u guys can help (I figured id ask the growers using it).

Im im promix hp with xtra perlite at 5.9 ph ro water. I started at 1/4 tsp or 180 ppm or .4 ec roughly. I bumped all the way up to 1/2 tsp and then 3/4 tsp... and no real change. So should I feed from beginnig sml barely rooted clone at 1 tsp or 1.7 ec or 500 ppm on .5 scale? Secondly never go over 1.5 ec or 750 ppm in promix? And lastly if im dropping base (veg bloom) to add a pk booster (hydroplex) in flower (beacause raisng veg +bloom that late in flower adds to much N)are the mag problems going to show up again..and is this why the new +size has additional mag?
P.s. I lied 1 last ?...if I add pk booster will the P be so high (5ml full strength hydroplex 200ppm=roughly .4 ec with 1.3ec veg. bloom kill my + life micro heard ?

Sorry for all the questions at once I just need to figure this out before I ruin more strains.
Thanks in advance.
Weedid1s

 

[Weeded1s]

I go by ppm on a .5 scale not ec.. so sorry if my ec numbers are off . I think 200 ppm is like .7 ec roughly not .4 ec. My bad . My ppms and tsp measurements are what I go by and are what im using at the moment. Sorry if confusing . 1 tsp = 500 ppm on .5 scale = 1.7ec

 

[rives]

I can't help you with many of your questions because they are all out of my direct experience (don't use dirty, promix, etc.). What I've seen with the RO version is that feeding low seems to create a variety of odd deficiencies, not just Mg.

I would suggest that you download a copy of the nutrient calculator in my sig line and get competent with it. I find that keeping the Mg around 60ppm works well with anything that I run, and the calculator makes it easy to see your levels when you start combining different additives.

As an aside, isn't promix peat-based? It sounds like your pH is low at 5.9 and should be up in the 6.5 region.

Edit - 500 ppm on the .5 scale is 1.0 EC.

 

[Weeded1s]

Thanks rives.....if i remember correctly i looked at chriss feed sched. on their website it says 1 tsp=5.5 grams =1.7 ec. Wtf hahaha
And now the additives as well. Wtf
The changing of how to use the nutes on their sched. while im in mid grow. Wtf
I just want to get this fixed.
Chris also said dirtys ph is perfect for promix 5.9.
Any promix user plz holla...and ty rives for the quick as f response.
Weeded1s

 

[Weeded1s]

Right off their website. Maybe its not for dirty?

OUR SERVICESFEEDING INSTRUCTIONSMANUFACTURING INTEGRITY
1TSP = 5.5g = 1.7EC / 1 GAL
IN 1 GALLON Veg Flower Week 1 Flower Week 2 Flower Week 3 Flower Week 4 Flower Week 5 Flower Week 6 Flower Week 7 Flower Week 8
COCO FLUSH
EC .4-1EC/1Gal 1.0-1.8EC 1.0-1.8EC 1.0-1.8EC 1.2-1.8EC 1.2-1.8EC .8-1.5EC .4-.8EC .2-.4EC
Grams 1.3-3.4g/1Gal 3.3-6 3.3-6 3.3-6 4.0-6 4.0-6 2.6-4 1.3-2.6 .7-1.3
Teaspoons .25-.6tsp/1Gal .6-1.1 .6-1.1 .6-1.1 .7-1.1 .7-1.1 .5-.7 .25-.5 .1-.2
1TSP = 5.5g = 1.7EC / 1 GAL
IN 1 GALLON Veg Flower Week 1 Flower Week 2 Flower Week 3 Flower Week 4 Flower Week 5 Flower Week 6 Flower Week 7 Flower Week 8
SOIL FLUSH
EC .2-1EC .6-1.3EC .6-1.5EC .6-1.5EC .8-1.5EC .8-1.5EC .4-1.2EC .2-.4EC .2-.4EC
Grams .6-3.4g/1Gal 2.0-4.3 2.0-5 2.0-5 2.7-5 2.7-5 1.3-4 .7-1.3 .7-1.3
Teaspoons .1-.6tsp/1Gal .4-.8 .4-1 .4-1 .5-1 .5-1 .25-.7 .1-2 .1-.2
1TSP = 5.5g = 1.7EC / 1 GAL
IN 1 GALLON Veg Flower Week 1 Flower Week 2 Flower Week 3 Flower Week 4 Flower Week 5 Flower Week 6 Flower Week 7 Flower Week 8
ROCKWOOL FLUSH
EC 1-1.6EC 1.2-1.8EC 1.3-2.0EC 1.3-2.0EC 1.3-2.1EC 1.3-2.0EC 1.2-1.8EC .8-1.4EC .2-.6EC
Grams 3.3-5.3g/1Gal 4.3-6 4.3-6.7 4.3-6.7 2.7-7 4.3-6.7 4.3-6 2.6-4.7 .7-2
Teaspoons .6-1tsp/1Gal .7-1.1 .8-1.2 .8-1.2 .5-1.3 .8-1.2 .7-1.1 .5-.9 .1-.4
1TSP = 5.5g = 1.7EC / 1 GAL
IN 1 GALLON Veg Flower Week 1 Flower Week 2 Flower Week 3 Flower Week 4 Flower Week 5 Flower Week 6 Flower Week 7 Flower Week 8
DWC FLUSH
EC 1.0-1.5EC 1.2-1.8EC 1.2-1.8EC 1.2-2.0EC 1.3-2.0EC 1.3-2.0EC 1.2-1.8EC .8-1.4EC .2-.8EC
Grams 3.3-5g/1Gal 4.0-6 4.0-6 4.0-6 4.3-6.7 4.3-6.7 4.0-6 2.6-4.7 1.3-2.7
Teaspoons .6-.9tsp/1Gal .7-1.1 .7-1.1 .7-1.2 .8-1.2 .8-1.2 .7-1.1 .5-.8 .25-.4

 

[Caravaggio]

Hey guys I need some help. Ive been using hr veg bloom since it smelled like gatorade and was recomended to use tap water in dwc (bad idea..root rot and major deff.). Ive used in all kinds of ways and it seems to be good when its working. Ive talked to chris plenty of times and while hes a cool cat im having trouble with deffeciencies again. The thing thats bothering me a little was it started out 1 tsp per gal and your good with the old stuff ro version (recomended feeding). Then plants burned so he said feed low and work your way up. That isnt working either .I switched to dirty version. The deff. that looks like mag. is back. Im using the dirty with +life.Now I have ruined over 20 diff. Awesome strains(gems...ha og, goji og, jupiter, chem d, etc etc.) trying to figure out the hr veg bloom fantasy mag prblem. At this point im pretty upset as my plants are doing it again. Ive read this whole post and I have a few ?s if u guys can help (I figured id ask the growers using it).

Im im promix hp with xtra perlite at 5.9 ph ro water. I started at 1/4 tsp or 180 ppm or .4 ec roughly. I bumped all the way up to 1/2 tsp and then 3/4 tsp... and no real change. So should I feed from beginnig sml barely rooted clone at 1 tsp or 1.7 ec or 500 ppm on .5 scale? Secondly never go over 1.5 ec or 750 ppm in promix? And lastly if im dropping base (veg bloom) to add a pk booster (hydroplex) in flower (beacause raisng veg +bloom that late in flower adds to much N)are the mag problems going to show up again..and is this why the new +size has additional mag?
P.s. I lied 1 last ?...if I add pk booster will the P be so high (5ml full strength hydroplex 200ppm=roughly .4 ec with 1.3ec veg. bloom kill my + life micro heard ?

Sorry for all the questions at once I just need to figure this out before I ruin more strains.
Thanks in advance.
Weedid1s

My advice is quit complicating life. Run the V+B by itself and let it do its thing. Im doing that right now in a small side room and its doing ok. 12 smallish plants under 2k. I started them out at 1.4ec and in week 6 now at 2.0ec. Will start to taper them off soon. Only thing I add is drip clean at .4ml gal at every feed.

The only downside i can see thusfar from the Dirty on this run is the plants are a tad weak. Nothing a little silica probably couldn't help. Also the stuff is an absolute mess on the reservoir. Id never recommend The Dirty to anyone in the future. The old Veg+Bloom wasn't bad though.

 

[Caravaggio]

Oh yea and Peat sucks. Ditch that ProMix and go straight Coco. You won't regret it.

 

[rives]

Right off their website. Maybe its not for dirty?

1TSP = 5.5g = 1.7EC / 1 GAL

Perhaps I wasn't clear. You said -

1 tsp = 500 ppm on .5 scale = 1.7ec

I wasn't talking about how much V+B it took to get to a given nutrient strength, but was addressing your conversion from EC to the .5 scale. 1 tsp of V+B may make 1.7 EC, but 1.7 EC is not 500 ppm on the .5 scale, it is 850 ppm.

If you multiply the EC number by 1000 and divide by 2, it will give you your .5 reading. For example, 1.7 EC x 1000 = 1700/2 = 850ppm on the .5 scale.

Regarding the pH, I'm finding lots of conflicting information for ProMix and they apparently have had a fairly wide range of pH coming straight out of the bag. Hopefully somebody that actually uses it will pop in, but you might want to take a sample of your runoff and check it. This is exactly why I stopped using SS#4 and went to coco!