Another school shooting

[Hermen_eutics]

https://splinternews.com/nra-loving-texas-politicians-go-to-ridiculous-lengths-t-1826152411

NRA-Loving Texas Politicians Go to Ridiculous Lengths to Avoid Mentioning Gun Control


“There have been too damn many of these [shootings]—Texas has seen too many of these,” he said. “In the public policy arena, we need to be doing everything humanly possible to stop this from happening again, to stop violent criminals, to stop them from getting firearms, to stop them from getting access to schools, to incarcerate them when they try to buy firearms.”

Everything. Humanly. Possible.

What could that mean exactly? I have a few ideas. But Patrick’s plan took the cake.

“Maybe we need to look into limiting the entrances and exits into our schools, so that we can have law enforcement looking at the people who come in one or two entrances,” Patrick said. “We’re going have to get creative. We’re going to have to think out of the box.”

From their comments section :
I would really like for gun owners to have to buy insurance for their weapons. There needs to be real repercussions for neglect. If enough insurance companies have to pay out, real change might actually happen. Dead kids don’t matter to these people, but they are really attached to their money.

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick put on his safari shirt with THE TOP TWO BUTTONS UNBUTTONED. He means fucking business. Watch out NRA. This motherfucker is about to accept hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from you. Buckle the hell up.

 

[CaptainDankness]

https://splinternews.com/nra-loving-texas-politicians-go-to-ridiculous-lengths-t-1826152411

NRA-Loving Texas Politicians Go to Ridiculous Lengths to Avoid Mentioning Gun Control


“There have been too damn many of these [shootings]—Texas has seen too many of these,” he said. “In the public policy arena, we need to be doing everything humanly possible to stop this from happening again, to stop violent criminals, to stop them from getting firearms, to stop them from getting access to schools, to incarcerate them when they try to buy firearms.”

Everything. Humanly. Possible.

What could that mean exactly? I have a few ideas. But Patrick’s plan took the cake.

“Maybe we need to look into limiting the entrances and exits into our schools, so that we can have law enforcement looking at the people who come in one or two entrances,” Patrick said. “We’re going have to get creative. We’re going to have to think out of the box.”

From their comments section :
I would really like for gun owners to have to buy insurance for their weapons. There needs to be real repercussions for neglect. If enough insurance companies have to pay out, real change might actually happen. Dead kids don’t matter to these people, but they are really attached to their money.

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick put on his safari shirt with THE TOP TWO BUTTONS UNBUTTONED. He means fucking business. Watch out NRA. This motherfucker is about to accept hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from you. Buckle the hell up.

Not sure why anti gunners are so against the NRA when pro gunners see the NRA as being too soft on our gun rights.

 

[Zeez]

Not sure why anti gunners are so against the NRA when pro gunners see the NRA as being too soft on our gun rights.

Capt'n I'm pro-gun, live in one of the most gun restrictive states, have a LTC with high capacity (I never carry), own several guns, and I think the NRA is part of the problem and not part of the solution. I've got no problem getting a background check to have as much freedom in gun ownership as anyone in the country. I can go in a shop and walk out with anything I want - No 3 day waiting period.

Why would the NRA spend hundreds of millions bribing politicians to fight that?

 

[Hermen_eutics]

Not sure why anti gunners are so against the NRA when pro gunners see the NRA as being too soft on our gun rights.

I'm not antii gun either. I grew up hunting and shooting. I was an nra member as a kid. My dad kept a "gun for every window". I have zero beef with gun ownership.

The NRA owns politicians and spends millions promoting the most absurd toxic bullshit imaginable. Why would the NRA stop CDC from investigating gun violence?

 

[Pinnate]

The problem isn't guns per se, but their runaway-proliferation leads to way too many accidental shootings and the kinds of atrocities which are becoming all too common in the US...


Here in Ireland, these things are practically unheard of!

 

[shithawk420]

forgive me if this is inapproptiate,but lets remember all the crazy shit the IRA did.i know cause i studied that history.so dont go acting like Ireland is all Guinness and leprachans or are you too young too remember?some of the best most ruthless domestic terrorists in history.i respect their professional tactics.they were good.but the IRA did not fuck around

 

[Illuminate]

The british army tested microwave weapons on innocent civilians in thier occupation of N.Ireland.

 

[Gry]

Humans in general have a history of doing that sort of thing, and wanting to quickly forget it was ever done at all.

 

[CaptainDankness]

I'm not antii gun either. I grew up hunting and shooting. I was an nra member as a kid. My dad kept a "gun for every window". I have zero beef with gun ownership.

The NRA owns politicians and spends millions promoting the most absurd toxic bullshit imaginable. Why would the NRA stop CDC from investigating gun violence?

Would you be against guns if the CDC did investigate? Handguns are the biggest problem not many people are murdered with rifles which includes the so called assault rifles.

What do you think is reasonable that can possibly prevent a mass murderer from getting a gun? The way I see it you can build an AR without a background check just some basic machining tools, not too mention 3D printers.

Also even cheaper and easier would be explosives that can kill hundreds in an instant.

 

[shithawk420]

yeah well,forgetting is not the answer.we'd all like to forget all the bad things.thats when history repeats itself.trust me.i know from experience.if you forget the pain its like it never even happened.but i digress.im done.i never intended this thread to go this way.you guys can have it.

 

[brown_thumb]

No controls or bans of any kind will eliminate black-market availability of firearms. Limiting availability to the general public will certainly greatly decrease 'gun' violence but 'other' violence will replace it.

There is a sickness in the USA that gun control cannot heal. We're becoming more sociopathic every day. How do we reverse that?

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Is there some sort of statistics that can tell us how many people are getting killed by registered guns, and those getting killed by unregistered guns?.....although I'm sure that everyone who shoots someone does not stop to fill out a questionnaire that asks if their weapon is registered or not, it would be interesting to have some idea.

 

[St. Phatty]

The NRA owns politicians and spends millions promoting the most absurd toxic bullshit imaginable. Why would the NRA stop CDC from investigating gun violence?

Sounds like what Big Pharma did.

There was a petition to investigate the connection between SSRI substance use in young people, and mass shootings, on the Obama White House website.

It got 25,000+ signatures.

And then the petition disappeared - during Obama's term.

 

[Gry]

ah yes, the old hill and knowelton routine, good for at least another twenty years of profit as the victims scream. An old and well established corporate routine.

Asbestos was the first time I recall having heard it being used.
Is anyone aware of something else earlier ?

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

What if every gun made had to have a camera on it and recorded every bullet fired, and in what circumstance/location the 'shooting' took place?

Then those who genuinely are using them for self defense can actually show that is the case because the shooting incident would have been recorded up on some 'Cloud' somewhere.

Of course you would have to try and make 350 million other 'regular' guns inoperable, or get people to exchange them for the new 'smart' weapons somehow....but that ain't gonna be so easy to work.

 

[Gry]

There has been no shortage of 'technical' solutions.

what is the old saw about weapons makers;
they know nether friend nor enemy, only customers

 

[Pinnate]

forgive me if this is inapproptiate,but lets remember all the crazy shit the IRA did.

Touché SH!

I do forgive your misspelling, though...

No, but seriously, I was talking of civil society, not skirmishes between the IRA and the British army up there in Ulster?

 

[Pinnate]

Humans in general have a history of doing that sort of thing, and wanting to quickly forget it was ever done at all.

Hear, hear! Ooops!

 

[Hermen_eutics]

Sounds like what Big Pharma did.

There was a petition to investigate the connection between SSRI substance use in young people, and mass shootings, on the Obama White House website.

It got 25,000+ signatures.






And then the petition disappeared - during Obama's term.

Ya bro, there are more than 25k people who believe the earth is flat. But I am with you big pharma is ridiculously manipulative. I worked in the industry and the $$$ in play is ridiculous.



https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/nih-quietly-shelves-gun-research-program



Congress has long prohibited the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from using government money "to advocate or promote gun control," and in 2012 extended that restriction to other agencies in the Department of Health and Human Services. Obama argued, however, that research was not advocacy, and in response to his directive, NIH issued three funding opportunities for "Research on the Health Determinants and Consequences of Violence and its Prevention, Particularly Firearm Violence." The application window would close in January 2017, the agency noted.




https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/02/gun-violence-public-health/553430/


1996, when Congress passed an amendment to a spending bill that forbade the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from using money to “advocate or promote gun control.”The National Rifle Association had pushed for the amendment, after public-health researchers produced a spate of studies suggesting that, for example, having a gun in the house increased risk of homicide and suicide


the 1996 amendment has restricted how much the CDC can focus on gun ownership as the risk factor in suicides.Researchers who do want to study gun violence have cobbled together funding from a patchwork of sources, often from private foundations. President Obama signed an executive order directing the National Institutes of Health to fund research into gun violence after the Sandy Hook shooting, but the program has since petered out.

 

[moose eater]

http://www.newsminer.com/news/local_news/man-accused-of-opening-fire-on-people-vehicles-and-buildings/article_742b0952-5d86-11e8-9087-4352f181db83.html

Man accused of opening fire on people, vehicles and buildings in Fairbanks

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And in the same paper, on the same day:

http://www.newsminer.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/gun-owner-does-the-nra-still-accurately-represent-us/article_63ec5f5a-5e58-11e8-9729-27626baddbb4.html

Gun owner: Does the NRA still accurately represent us?