on my bed head board I keep a 44 mag single six and a 22 semi auto. Living room 17 hmr and a 22 ruger with 30 rds. Shop 12 ga over under. In my gun safe over 30 guns. Oh for survival have reload dies for some of your guns and a good quick reload for shotguns . I buy the 22's when they have them on sale and try to keep at lest 20,000 rds at all times. But then I also shoot over 20,000 rds a yr for fun.
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Your odds of being dead go up about 50% if you have a gun that your going to fight back with vs you being surprised by an intruder who knows you aren't armed. Most people who are robbing a grow aren't going to shoot you if you are unarmed they will just rob you. If you come out of your room with a shotty in hand, then you can bet ur gonna be met with gun fire. Will you and ur wife survive? Who knows.
Your also risking more then 2 years in prison if your caught with guns at a grow house. If you are ok with that, fine, but don't kid yourself thinking 2 years is the max you could get.
Every lawyer I have ever talked to who is in the marijuana field has blatantly said having a gun at a grow is one of the dumbest moves you can possibly make. One of these lawyers who said this is a big NRA head who has 10+ guns. They also said that if you are not 100% mmj legal, then every judge and jury will look at you as a straight up criminal and your odds of coming out of court clean are not very good. Btw, legal meaning (because so many people on here think just throwing a script up on the door makes it legal) registered with secretary of state, paying taxes, building/fire code legit, paperwork for everything, appropriate number of valid RX's for the plant count, membership agreements etc etc.
Regarding prior cases, and people saying "well I know a friend who got off" ya great, I personally don't really give a fuck about what other people had done, I care about what would happen to me. People get away with murder all the time, doesn't mean you will.
You have to think of it from the point of view of a jury and judge. As is, coming into a court house trying to defend growing a ton of weed is hard. Adding onto the fact that you had a 45 and 2 shottys isn't exactly going to paint a nice picture of the defendant.
I also think a lot of people assume that having a gun means ur safe. Not even close to true. Even with a shotty, if someone comes in to your place with the intent on robbing your grow (which btw means you fucked up somehow) you are hardly safe if it comes to a gun battle. I don't know about other places but most of the people here in the ghetto areas of LA rock guns much more intense then a simple shotty, and they often don't travel alone either.
I personally would rather have a compound bow, a taser, and a few pitbulls. If that's not good enough for protection then you are growing in the wrong location.
I like the idea of having one and not needing it then needing one and not having it. I dont have guns for protection. I have them for a hobby. Protection is a added bonus I try to keep things as legal as I can. If you already have guns and dont have anyplace to put them Get a gun safe and keep them locked like everyone does. Shotguns locked up ,handguns locked up. I believe they would take that into consideration. I grew up with guns and I love going to the range to shoot them. I go 2-3x a week sometimes. I dont grow a ton. I only grow 3lbs and then I take a vacation from growing.
I should say that the lawyers did state that if you ARE going to have guns in the house, having them locked up/in gun safe as you are suggesting, is the best way to go.
^thats what i was saying...in a court of law with a jury of your peers, and with a good slick talking defense attoryney, there is a difference between having a legally registered gun safely stored seperate from the grow...than having an illegal weapon sitting on your coffee table next to a big pile of cash and dope....a good lawyer can pick apart the wording in the "within accessible distance" that is in the actual PC and make a case out of it..
and in california unless you are convicted felon or 2nd striker its not gonna be 2 years...just a shitload of felony probation and revoked gun rights which still sucks. im sure in texas or most other states its much more serious...
i usually agree with you headiez but this is not correct....it is not safe to assume that an intruder wont want to kill you, you are a witness to their crime and could put them in jail for years they could easily just murder you to avoid that ever happening, and especially in the growing game where the ripper might know the victim, cant risk word getting out...
also if you are defending your house you will have the upper hand, you know the layout of the house and can choose your ambush point....gun owners who are serious about self defense are not rooks when it comes to these things, id venture to say i have better aim than your standard gangbanging burglar....
there is a difference between ambushing a burglar in defense and trying to use a gun to be a hero and save a situation...if they already have the drop on you its not wise to escalate things by bringing out the gun...but if you have 15 seconds to take up position while they crowbar the door you best believe my weapon is already aimed downrange at them.....SURPRISE!!
and in california unless you are convicted felon or 2nd striker its not gonna be 2 years...just a shitload of felony probation and revoked gun rights which still sucks. im sure in texas or most other states its much more serious...
i usually agree with you headiez but this is not correct....it is not safe to assume that an intruder wont want to kill you, you are a witness to their crime and could put them in jail for years they could easily just murder you to avoid that ever happening, and especially in the growing game where the ripper might know the victim, cant risk word getting out...
also if you are defending your house you will have the upper hand, you know the layout of the house and can choose your ambush point....gun owners who are serious about self defense are not rooks when it comes to these things, id venture to say i have better aim than your standard gangbanging burglar....
there is a difference between ambushing a burglar in defense and trying to use a gun to be a hero and save a situation...if they already have the drop on you its not wise to escalate things by bringing out the gun...but if you have 15 seconds to take up position while they crowbar the door you best believe my weapon is already aimed downrange at them.....SURPRISE!!
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imo having ammo is not a good idea. if by chance you are visited by leo...finding amoo in your grow would encourage them to find the guns that go with the ammo, which means they tear hell out of your place looking.
i'm also of the opinion that drawing your weapon is hard to do when it's encased in a steel box, or somewhere 'safe', particularly in a panic state.
for your enjoyment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzf56e29zUw&NR=1
i'm also of the opinion that drawing your weapon is hard to do when it's encased in a steel box, or somewhere 'safe', particularly in a panic state.
for your enjoyment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzf56e29zUw&NR=1
Headiez I disagree! The last thing I would want to see is a young army veteran video gamer generation male coming out of his room with a .45 loaded with hollow points. Also this thread reminds me I need to go get my sureshot laser and strobe light combo from the shop. I will not ever feel powerless in the position you speak of where someone else can make the choice for me. I learned to always keep my weapon within arms reach, and 80% of the time I am home it is there. Also I live a small house so it is no time trouble to get to it.
I stay up late naturally and wake up in ninja mode quite often. Only way it would go down is I win. Strobe light blinding you, disorientaiting, lighting you up so I can see you with laser, or night sites on my playground...
I know two years is what will be added on for the gun, of course I don't expect thats it, that is mininum mandatory for having a gun commiting a felony. 2 years extra for me is better then dead or for me or my girlfriend to be murdered or raped in front of one another. Mofos come here they better bring a wet vac! lol
For real a serious matter, but I choose to utilize my right to bear arms. I don't think it is fair for any law to make you want to not exercise your rights.
Zero heat here and I only sell sacks to a few trusted friends, I supply dispensaries and thats it and always watch my back.
I stay up late naturally and wake up in ninja mode quite often. Only way it would go down is I win. Strobe light blinding you, disorientaiting, lighting you up so I can see you with laser, or night sites on my playground...
I know two years is what will be added on for the gun, of course I don't expect thats it, that is mininum mandatory for having a gun commiting a felony. 2 years extra for me is better then dead or for me or my girlfriend to be murdered or raped in front of one another. Mofos come here they better bring a wet vac! lol
For real a serious matter, but I choose to utilize my right to bear arms. I don't think it is fair for any law to make you want to not exercise your rights.
Zero heat here and I only sell sacks to a few trusted friends, I supply dispensaries and thats it and always watch my back.
true....but thats why guns should only be last resort. if you have a gun to defend yourself, but your house is easy as hell to break into then you are cancelling out part of its effectiveness...
i have assessed every single possible entry point for burglars in my growhouse and spent money and time making it as hard as possible to break in...they pretty much have to crowbar a door off 4 deadbolts (one buried into foundation) for a few minutes to even have a chance..plus the door is made of metal, and has two layers a main security gate and a regular wooden door with bump-proof locks... that coupled with the dog and CCTV cameras give me precious warning to get the gun out, which still only takes 10 seconds tops....the only other way would be to break in before hand and ambush me as i come home, and in that case unless you are concealed carry 24-7 pretty much fucked....
Backwoods Bud
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I live in a rural county that has 8 people per square mile. There are more guns than people in my county. Firearms are looked at as a necessary tool here. Most around here don't pick up an ACA charge or other firearm related charge unless they have stolen guns in their possession or use a gun on the popo. It really depends on where one resides. Location IS everything!
Bear Gas works round corners, bullets do not.... it also hangs in the air and does not get you jailed.
Grønn
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Why am i sitting here with an image in my head of someone smoking a big sativa fatty and polishing their firearms - when the girlscouts come a knocking?
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tony clifton
i don't sell anything, live in a great spot, and your math is way off!
only thing i have with nra on it is a body bag and the nra stands for no return address!!!!
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T.C.
Your actually right, now that I think about it more, its not safe (or smart) to assume that they won't want to kill you, especially now-a-days. I would venture a guess that in general they wouldn't, but fuck trusting a crook on anything.
I also agree that of course you have the upper hand defending your own house, and odds are you do have better aim, but if dude happens to have a quick firing gun, even the best aim gives him time to get off enough shots to hit you. Hopefully you catch him in chest before he has the chance, but the possibility is there.
For the record, everyone's situation is different.
And let it be known I fully fucking support the right to bear arms and I think it's fucking BULLSHIT that there is this giant stigma attached to growers (especially medical growers) having guns at the same location. Any normal fucking human would see that if anything, having something like a grow would be MORE reason to have a gun there.
Cali sucks at issuing CCW's yet the few people that get it tend to be people with high risk jobs like business owners that deposit tons of cash on a daily basis. Yet they frown upon med growers having it. lol makes no sense.
I'm just trying to help people be as safe as possible, I don't want any of you guys goin to jail.
lets see. Got Popped.they took guns not ammo even tho I may ;0- hav been over the federally allowed limit of 5,000 rounds (Hell that was just the .22's). Got guns back 
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That's all history. Some of you hav read my post's and kno my stand for the future.Here's a little up-date. re-landscaped with boulders creating fall back positions to MY home. From there it gets very interesting. Trip wires at night in choke points etc. Loaded guns and ammo every where. FINAL fall back position in my flower room DEFENDING my patients MEDS!!!
Ammo OP? My stockpile is in with my gunsafes,my extra gallons of ISO,and some road flares.
Questions?
-That's all history. Some of you hav read my post's and kno my stand for the future.Here's a little up-date. re-landscaped with boulders creating fall back positions to MY home. From there it gets very interesting. Trip wires at night in choke points etc. Loaded guns and ammo every where. FINAL fall back position in my flower room DEFENDING my patients MEDS!!!
Ammo OP? My stockpile is in with my gunsafes,my extra gallons of ISO,and some road flares.
Questions?
why so much iso.? gonna firebomb em.? all my guns are in a gunsafe across the country. being as theres alot of assholes here i was afraid i would shoot one. i keep bear spray and crossbow and a whole bunch of other stuff
YEAP! They don't get my shit.. Hey SML just use a "asshole hammer" on Them. That seems to be a PC tool to use. NOT an EVIL firearm
i am pro gun ownership, but not in a grow...
if you feel so unsafe growing where your at you shouldnt be growing...
i would rather let the burglar take what he wants and move on than kill some one and have to live with it or die and my family live with that...
all this tough guy ill shoot on sight is some garbage, just remember after the adrenaline is gone and the shock of killin someone is over you will be left with guilt, and that person will follow you around forever...
if you feel so unsafe growing where your at you shouldnt be growing...
i would rather let the burglar take what he wants and move on than kill some one and have to live with it or die and my family live with that...
all this tough guy ill shoot on sight is some garbage, just remember after the adrenaline is gone and the shock of killin someone is over you will be left with guilt, and that person will follow you around forever...
Donald Trump
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This is exactly why you shouldn't live where you grow. If robbed, you are fucked if you have a gun and kill someone. Personal grow or not. 2 years? more like 5+ years. Doesn't matter if your state has 'good gun laws' Med states may be different but I still wouldn't be growing where I live. If you are in a med-state, and legal, then perhaps your best bet is a security alarm If you are going to grow where you reside.
I do recommend the Mossberg 500A 12 gauge for home defense, but I don't sleep where I grow.
I do recommend the Mossberg 500A 12 gauge for home defense, but I don't sleep where I grow.
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