it seems that the nutra live package would be ok to run in your case... Id always use the lower end of dosage amounts to be safe either way...
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All applied Foliar? I'm 7 days post initiation of a 12/12 dark cycle and observe no deficiency, so I'm curious when I will introduce the foliar applications?
Nothing added to reservoir? Reservoir temperature @ 75F and enough surface area on Turface to house a micro-herd I believe...
Journal is here: https://www.icmag.com/modules/Journal/viewentry.php?journalid=1585&page=3
Nothing added to reservoir? Reservoir temperature @ 75F and enough surface area on Turface to house a micro-herd I believe...
Journal is here: https://www.icmag.com/modules/Journal/viewentry.php?journalid=1585&page=3
Gary Smith (is this who you guys are working with in Cali?) got back to me with recommendations for my soil results. Here is what he said.....
"We have reviewed your soil test results and found the following:
High levels of: pH, sulfur, phosphorus, sodium, zinc.
Low levels of: boron, manganese.
Basic recommendation: Treat soil in fall with 2 gal per acre Rejuvenate, and 50 grams/acre Spectrum Xtra to help make the minerals in the soil more available to plants. Use Micropak in foliar applications to increase levels of boron and manganese."
However I sided more with what Milky was saying, and I wanted to do something with my soil PH. (thanks Milky, I just remembered you had responded to my post, thank you) I also did a good EWC slurry to help the PH and up the organic matter.
I have to say, if AEA continues with high quality products, works with soil labs, and gives recommendations based off their nute program, I am not sure where one can go wrong. Great products, and when Gary isn't too busy, he is a ton of help.
"We have reviewed your soil test results and found the following:
High levels of: pH, sulfur, phosphorus, sodium, zinc.
Low levels of: boron, manganese.
Basic recommendation: Treat soil in fall with 2 gal per acre Rejuvenate, and 50 grams/acre Spectrum Xtra to help make the minerals in the soil more available to plants. Use Micropak in foliar applications to increase levels of boron and manganese."
However I sided more with what Milky was saying, and I wanted to do something with my soil PH. (thanks Milky, I just remembered you had responded to my post, thank you) I also did a good EWC slurry to help the PH and up the organic matter.
I have to say, if AEA continues with high quality products, works with soil labs, and gives recommendations based off their nute program, I am not sure where one can go wrong. Great products, and when Gary isn't too busy, he is a ton of help.
bamboogardner
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Hey Doggie. Did you get a saturated paste test? The recommendations on a standard soil test are good for next year, not right now. If you need help now, you definitely need a Saturated Paste test which will tell you what the plants can mine out of the soil TODAY, not next year. Check out this article. http://farmingsweetbay.wordpress.co...t-saturated-paste-test-complete-soil-picture/
With a standard soil test it could be that some nutrients are showing okay, but are being locked out and unavailable to the plant to mine out of the soil. The Saturated Paste test is in between a standard soil sample and a tissue test. It will show you what is available to mine out of the soil right now. Is your soil test available to look at? Let me know and thanks.
With a standard soil test it could be that some nutrients are showing okay, but are being locked out and unavailable to the plant to mine out of the soil. The Saturated Paste test is in between a standard soil sample and a tissue test. It will show you what is available to mine out of the soil right now. Is your soil test available to look at? Let me know and thanks.
Yup, I sent both tests to Gary. If anybody want to see both tests side by side let me know, I will post it up. I don't want to clutter this thread with my information if it doesn't help others. I read that article yesterday after you posted it (i think it was you) and it seems like the way to go. 55$ for both tests from Logan, I feel like I am stealing.
bamboogardner
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Well that saturated paste test is what you need to look at RIGHT NOW. This is what the plant is available to mine out of the soil TODAY. If there are indications by the paste test that some of the nutrients are not available, those are the ones you want to foliar immediately. Now the standard test is good to use to figure out how to amend your soil for next year. But that does not help you to bring your crop in this year.
Quick Tip: Go to buildasoil.com Click on soil testing on the horizontal task bar. You can send in your LOGAN LABS report to them and they will tell you what to amend your soil with to bring it into line for next year. They do this for FREE in the hope that you will buy the amendments from them. What the heck, free is good, and brings a second opinion to the table.
Have fun.
Quick Tip: Go to buildasoil.com Click on soil testing on the horizontal task bar. You can send in your LOGAN LABS report to them and they will tell you what to amend your soil with to bring it into line for next year. They do this for FREE in the hope that you will buy the amendments from them. What the heck, free is good, and brings a second opinion to the table.
Have fun.
Saturated Paste Report
Soil Report
Soil Report
I really dont get the micro pak recommendation, if you need more boron and manganese. Why recommend a product that has zinc, something that if you have too much of you might antagonize other elements, not to mention help take up more P. If I was you I would apply solubor and manganese sulfate via foliar asap and look to correct defect numbers in soil.
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Or why not sea pack because it just has Boron and Magnesium? I was wondering the same thing......
As for the Chloride I don't get where that came from either?
How often to foliar as well? Is it an emergency and twice a week is needed? I always find too much always cost me in the long run, and I usually lean that way so I try to cut back on what I think I should apply.
As for the Chloride I don't get where that came from either?
How often to foliar as well? Is it an emergency and twice a week is needed? I always find too much always cost me in the long run, and I usually lean that way so I try to cut back on what I think I should apply.
Your main focus should be getting that 7.5 pH in range. Spectrum and Rejuv will help
I totally agree byf, but for some reason Gary didn't say to work on that this season. I think I will take your advice and try to apply those, however I can't get an answer from anybody at AEA for applications per gallon. I know people on here talk of 2ml of rejuvenate per gal for soil drench, but that seems so light. I feel like I need a higher dose drench, but don't want to over do anything. I feel a little stuck with what to do, but I know that PH needs to go down. You already explained how to calculate the Spectrum, so I think I will top dress with that soon.
I use 60ml per gallon of Rejuv , not 2
lol, that sounds A LOT stronger. Where did you get the application rate from? Your plants are much bigger and can take a bigger dose I would imagine. However we are talking organics here.
You use that much for foliar or root drench?
You use that much for foliar or root drench?
bamboogardner
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Bulldog. Your Ph is the problem, big time. You have absolutely no Hydrogen anions for nutrient cations to adsorb onto so the plant can mine the nutrients out of the soil. Until your Ph comes down below 7.0, this will be a problem. Spectrum and Rejuvinate will be good for NEXT YEAR, not now. I had the same problem with that EWSF soil. The AEA field rep had me use Agricultural Sulfur to bring the Ph down. He stated that it was the only way to bring it down quickly in order to save the crop. Now here is the problem. The Microherd likes sulfur. Just not a lot of it at once. For a 200 gallon smartie, it was recommended by the field rep to use less than a table spoon. I used 3/4. He then had me hit the soil with Rejuvinate and Spectrum Extra. My plants immediately stopped dropping yellow leaves because they were able to now start mining the nutrients out of the soil since there were now anions in the soil in the form of Hydrogen. Now some may not agree, but the AEA Field rep knows his stuff and his recommendations worked. But be careful. The Agricultural Sulfur is strong, very strong. Do not use more that the 3/4 TABLESPOON per 200 gallons of soil. It brought my Ph down from 7.1 to 6.2 in less than a month. Best of luck.
Problem is I already have high levels of sulfer.........I added a EWC slurry that I thought would add some organic matter which would help buffer the ph.
bamboogardner
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Also Doggie, your Calcium is low and your Magnesium high. Dont spray any Mag at all, there is too much there right now. Albrecht states that the Calcium and Magnesium together should equal 70 to 80% of your Exchangable Cations and that Potassium should be 1/3 the total of Ca and Mg. You now have 52.04Ca + 22.17Mg for a total of 74.21. The K is 23.42 so you are close to the 3/1 ratio Albrecht recommends. The problem being your Ca is low and your Mg is high. Calcium should be a minimum of 60% and you only have 52% available. I would add Ca to your foliar and not any Mg because Mg should only be 10 to 20% of the availability, and you are already over that at 22.17%. Forget about the standard soil results. Those are good for next year so you know what to do. Focus on the Saturated Paste test which tells you right now at this moment in time what the plants can mine out of the soil. Whatever it cannot mine out of the soil, add by foliar, plain and simple. The saturated paste test is the next best thing to a tissue analysis and tells you what is available to the plant in real time right now. Good Luck.
Both foliar and root drench.
I give 60mL rejuvenate to just rooted cuts or a 12' tall ganja tree.
I give 60mL rejuvenate to just rooted cuts or a 12' tall ganja tree.
bamboogardner
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On the Sulfur, Michael Astera states in his book that Sulfur can be up to 300ppm. Pg 43 of his book if you have it. Now, Phosphorus should be twice of what Sulfur is. Looking at your saturated paste test, it seems you need to be doing foliar with Phosphorus also. The Microherd loves sulfur. Just not alot of it at once. Get your Ph down below 7.0 and your hydrogen will come up dramatically.
