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the Thai A5 Haze female looks quite Thai dominant. The other new A5 Haze hybrids are developing really strong branching, i like that!
Montuno
...como el Son...
Te has echo con un pastor australiano para meter en vereda a las gallinas?
Como curiosidad y si es realmente un "Pastor Australiano", comentar que la raza es realmente originaria del nordeste de España (Euskadi y Navarra). Se ha puesto de moda junto al boom del Border Collie (a veces se venden mestizos de ambos), e igualmente advierto al público general, que las líneas de trabajo, para personas que realmente no pastoreen o hagan deporte, suelen resultar en los "típicos problemas Border Collie" que ha echo que actualmente sean este tipo de perros por los que más se recurre por ayuda a los profesionales.
Si a alguien le sirve el consejo, yo evitaría en este tipo de perros el "color Merle", y jamás elegiría "doble Merle" y/o ojos azules...
Espero que disfrutéis muchos años del vuestro, Nano.
Como curiosidad y si es realmente un "Pastor Australiano", comentar que la raza es realmente originaria del nordeste de España (Euskadi y Navarra). Se ha puesto de moda junto al boom del Border Collie (a veces se venden mestizos de ambos), e igualmente advierto al público general, que las líneas de trabajo, para personas que realmente no pastoreen o hagan deporte, suelen resultar en los "típicos problemas Border Collie" que ha echo que actualmente sean este tipo de perros por los que más se recurre por ayuda a los profesionales.
Si a alguien le sirve el consejo, yo evitaría en este tipo de perros el "color Merle", y jamás elegiría "doble Merle" y/o ojos azules...
Espero que disfrutéis muchos años del vuestro, Nano.
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Querido primico sureño, el perrete es border collie con pastor alemán, le cogieron la perra del ganado a un amigo y tenía problemas para deshacerse de ellos, así que le decidimos adoptar uno para aquí....
Con paciencia ya respeta pollos y plantas y eso que tengo ahora mismo una legión de polletes sueltos.
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Con paciencia ya respeta pollos y plantas y eso que tengo ahora mismo una legión de polletes sueltos.
Salu2
Montuno
...como el Son...
Vaya, yo hubiera apostado todo a Border Collie * Pastor Australiano, en caso de ser un cruce... Era el Border aún más claro que el hijo mestizo?
El lado Border no debería darte problemas de "no respetar" (en el sentido de agresión/depredación) a otros animales domésticos. El problema típico de esta raza , cuando se tiene como compañía y/o no trabaja o hace suficiente deporte, es que intenta pastorear a su familia humana: esto suele resultar encima muy divertido al principio para los humanos que no saben que está pasando realmente : como puede ser malo que el perro intenté reunir constantemente a la familia en sus paseos, especialmente a los niños, y más cuando aparte de ladrarles y conducirlos con su cuerpo, no pasa de, como mucho, agarrarlos sin morder con la boca?... Como esto no parece problemático y no suele degenerar en agresividad intrafamiliar, pasa totalmente desapercibido a los neófitos, y el perro degenera mentalmente en muy poco tiempo (empiezan a surgir miedos agudos, estereotipias, autolesiones...).
Actualmente y según las estadísticas, los propietarios de Border Collie son los que más ayuda solicitan a profesionales, y las cifras de abandonos en perreras están empezando a crecer...(Lo que ya ha pasado con otra moda o "boom" reciente, la del Mali (Pastor Belga .M) por razones similares, solo que el Mali si suele descargar sus frustraciones a mordiscos.
Mira, un primo segundo mío, neófito en perros, se compró un terreno y valló una parte de este para tener ovejas. Y se hizo con un Mastín Español "tipo belleza" (M.E.O.), y luego un Border Collie (encima, "doble merle y de ojos azules"), viviendo en el resto grande del terreno, donde está la casa familiar... Como el Mastín vivía de lujo con tanto terreno y sin nada que hacer, pensó que el Border iba a ser igual de feliz en las mismas condiciones... Cómo le advertí, el Border a terminado saltando al vallado de las ovejas para hacerlas así mismo salir del vallado saltando (lo que a pesar de ser valla baja, no es fácil ni cómodo para las ovejas), dispersarlas en estampida por todo el terreno, para luego volverlas a reunir contra el vallado... Cuando mi primo a elevado la valla, ha pasado a agarrar (sin morder) al Mastín cada vez que lo ve tumbado, para ponerlo en movimiento y jugar con el...y el Mastín empieza a reaccionar violentamente a esto, y a empezar a torcerse su hasta ahora estupenda relación...
Ojo, que nada de esto tiene que pasarte a tí, y de echo no sé ni pa' que coño te lo cuento... Perdona, nano, que me enrollo con los chuchos como un tallarín con retortijones, je... Igualmente te digo que practicar/trabajar obediencia con ese tipo de perros es una gozada... El de mi primo segundo, un perro totalmente asilvestrado que solo había escuchado en su vida gritar su nombre para todo (para llamarlo, darle de comer, reñirlo...) me estaba haciendo un "fuss suelto" (seguirme pegado a mi lado sin correa) de puta madre en apenas 15 minutos de practicar... Y "trabajando" el primer día de conocerme ya por vínculo ( por mi pura aprobación), que solo le ofrecí unos pocos premios al principio para guiarlo, y en cuanto "cogió la idea", el cabrón luego me seguía libremente y sin que lo llamara por todo el terreno caminando a mi lado, solo para que le diera y dijera el "muy bien!" con sus palmaditas de aprobación... Como intenté explicarle a mi primo, se ha comprado un Ferrari (pero el suyo va a salir con mucha tendencia a "averiarse" por ser "doble merle") sin saber realmente conducir, para ir a comprar el pan a la esquina, y ya para sacarlo del garaje va chocando contra las paredes...
El lado Border no debería darte problemas de "no respetar" (en el sentido de agresión/depredación) a otros animales domésticos. El problema típico de esta raza , cuando se tiene como compañía y/o no trabaja o hace suficiente deporte, es que intenta pastorear a su familia humana: esto suele resultar encima muy divertido al principio para los humanos que no saben que está pasando realmente : como puede ser malo que el perro intenté reunir constantemente a la familia en sus paseos, especialmente a los niños, y más cuando aparte de ladrarles y conducirlos con su cuerpo, no pasa de, como mucho, agarrarlos sin morder con la boca?... Como esto no parece problemático y no suele degenerar en agresividad intrafamiliar, pasa totalmente desapercibido a los neófitos, y el perro degenera mentalmente en muy poco tiempo (empiezan a surgir miedos agudos, estereotipias, autolesiones...).
Actualmente y según las estadísticas, los propietarios de Border Collie son los que más ayuda solicitan a profesionales, y las cifras de abandonos en perreras están empezando a crecer...(Lo que ya ha pasado con otra moda o "boom" reciente, la del Mali (Pastor Belga .M) por razones similares, solo que el Mali si suele descargar sus frustraciones a mordiscos.
Mira, un primo segundo mío, neófito en perros, se compró un terreno y valló una parte de este para tener ovejas. Y se hizo con un Mastín Español "tipo belleza" (M.E.O.), y luego un Border Collie (encima, "doble merle y de ojos azules"), viviendo en el resto grande del terreno, donde está la casa familiar... Como el Mastín vivía de lujo con tanto terreno y sin nada que hacer, pensó que el Border iba a ser igual de feliz en las mismas condiciones... Cómo le advertí, el Border a terminado saltando al vallado de las ovejas para hacerlas así mismo salir del vallado saltando (lo que a pesar de ser valla baja, no es fácil ni cómodo para las ovejas), dispersarlas en estampida por todo el terreno, para luego volverlas a reunir contra el vallado... Cuando mi primo a elevado la valla, ha pasado a agarrar (sin morder) al Mastín cada vez que lo ve tumbado, para ponerlo en movimiento y jugar con el...y el Mastín empieza a reaccionar violentamente a esto, y a empezar a torcerse su hasta ahora estupenda relación...
Ojo, que nada de esto tiene que pasarte a tí, y de echo no sé ni pa' que coño te lo cuento... Perdona, nano, que me enrollo con los chuchos como un tallarín con retortijones, je... Igualmente te digo que practicar/trabajar obediencia con ese tipo de perros es una gozada... El de mi primo segundo, un perro totalmente asilvestrado que solo había escuchado en su vida gritar su nombre para todo (para llamarlo, darle de comer, reñirlo...) me estaba haciendo un "fuss suelto" (seguirme pegado a mi lado sin correa) de puta madre en apenas 15 minutos de practicar... Y "trabajando" el primer día de conocerme ya por vínculo ( por mi pura aprobación), que solo le ofrecí unos pocos premios al principio para guiarlo, y en cuanto "cogió la idea", el cabrón luego me seguía libremente y sin que lo llamara por todo el terreno caminando a mi lado, solo para que le diera y dijera el "muy bien!" con sus palmaditas de aprobación... Como intenté explicarle a mi primo, se ha comprado un Ferrari (pero el suyo va a salir con mucha tendencia a "averiarse" por ser "doble merle") sin saber realmente conducir, para ir a comprar el pan a la esquina, y ya para sacarlo del garaje va chocando contra las paredes...
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Ha, i love the descriptions of dogs and owners. Yes, the herding dogs NEED to have a job. They are like Arabian horses that are high energy and intelligent. Both types of animals will have problems if not handled correctly. My dad raised German Shepherd Dogs. When i was so little that i don't remember, my parents would tell me how funny it was to watch a GSD try to keep us four kids 'rounded up' and at the house, instead of all of us scattered around the block. Today, i think this is a bit odd, since the GSD's that work livestock (not that many nowadays) are usually more of a 'driving' herd dog, than a true herding dog. I very much enjoy critter topics. My great gfather brought one of the first herds of Holstein cattle into the usa, my grandfather has his little herd in one of the very early Hereford studbooks (usa) and he also raised Airdale dogs, dad had GSD's, and i had Arabian and partbreds when younger. We kids were obedience training dogs when we were far smaller than the dogs, themselves, ha. I raised and showed cats for twenty years, also. Now, no more animals, as we feel too old to provide 'forever homes', but have many good and bad memories, ha.
Montuno
...como el Son...
Well @Nannymouse , in "my here" (continental Europe), you can still see a few German Shepherds working with cattle, more from the French-German border towards the east, than in my Iberia... But they are less and less (as it will surely happen with the Belgian [perhaps the Laekenois is the one that still shepherd the most, among all these "multifunctional Shepherds"] and Dutch, and for almost the same reasons).
The Border Collie type dog was born as a specialist in one type of livestock work (herding), while the "multifunctional Shepherds" were born as just that: multifunctional dogs for which the various types of livestock work are only a small part of the different jobs they must be able to perform with a minimum of efficiency; it is clear that to achieve multifunctional efficiency, you must sacrifice part of the "brilliance and maximum efficiency in" with respect to a pure specialist.
Moreover, one of the other jobs that these "multifunctional Shepherds" are required to do as a matter of course adds a great extra difficulty for the human herder who wants exclusively "highly specialised herding work": that of "protection against humans" or "defence and attack", which implies so much that you have to work from puppyhood with bite inhibition/control (both towards livestock and towards humans; whoever does not know what I am talking about, visit an adorable litter of Mali or Working German puppies this summer. ...in shorts and flip-flops...), as the attack with even the capacity to kill any human being (owner included) can be the unwanted effect of inadequate treatment... For a human shepherd looking for a specialist herding dog, all these difficulties and extra time to obtain a less brilliant specific result, do not compensate: for grazing sheep, it is much more economical, with much less and less serious possible consequences in case of treatment/education errors, and much faster and easier (as the dogs seem to be born knowing their function, with almost no education/training) to have a Border Collie to herd and a Spanish Mastiff Working Lion to lead/protect, than to have 3 Working German Shepherds.
In addition, these "multifunctional Shepherds", in their lines of work, have been specializing more and more in the "police/military" side of their multifunctionality, or else they have directly degenerated into "beauty lines" almost functionally useless...
As a curiosity I will tell you, that one of the few Working German Shepherds I know herding cattle in Spain, works not with sheep, but with fighting bulls (work here generally entrusted to the Spanish Alano, the Villano de Encartaciones or even the Boxer de Trabajo), and also from a herd certainly not famous for the lack of bravery of their cattle.... I have seen him working on Spanish public television, in programmes about bullfighting...: grazing "Border Collie style" he is much more efficient and subtle than the Alanos, in "normal" conditions... But if the situation becomes "more serious" and the bull refuses to cooperate, even facing the dog, only Alanos are able to solve the situation without risking their physical integrity. And of course, when it is necessary for the dogs to physically grab the bull with their mouths, it is the Alanos who are the ones who are able to solve the situation without risking their physical integrity;
not only would it be suicide for the German Shepherd, but if he manages to catch a running bull without being gored and trampled, his bite is inefficient in holding/subduing/calming the bull, and in addition to that lack of efficiency , causes injuries and damage to the bull that does not cause a Spanish Alano holding with maximum efficiency...
...El Mani kicks us out of his thread with bucketfuls of cold water like street dogs, heh, heh...
A gift (not mine): Anatolian Mastiff/Kangal or a Spanish Mastiff of Work, rescuing a sheep unable to get out of the water it fell into:
The Border Collie type dog was born as a specialist in one type of livestock work (herding), while the "multifunctional Shepherds" were born as just that: multifunctional dogs for which the various types of livestock work are only a small part of the different jobs they must be able to perform with a minimum of efficiency; it is clear that to achieve multifunctional efficiency, you must sacrifice part of the "brilliance and maximum efficiency in" with respect to a pure specialist.
Moreover, one of the other jobs that these "multifunctional Shepherds" are required to do as a matter of course adds a great extra difficulty for the human herder who wants exclusively "highly specialised herding work": that of "protection against humans" or "defence and attack", which implies so much that you have to work from puppyhood with bite inhibition/control (both towards livestock and towards humans; whoever does not know what I am talking about, visit an adorable litter of Mali or Working German puppies this summer. ...in shorts and flip-flops...), as the attack with even the capacity to kill any human being (owner included) can be the unwanted effect of inadequate treatment... For a human shepherd looking for a specialist herding dog, all these difficulties and extra time to obtain a less brilliant specific result, do not compensate: for grazing sheep, it is much more economical, with much less and less serious possible consequences in case of treatment/education errors, and much faster and easier (as the dogs seem to be born knowing their function, with almost no education/training) to have a Border Collie to herd and a Spanish Mastiff Working Lion to lead/protect, than to have 3 Working German Shepherds.
In addition, these "multifunctional Shepherds", in their lines of work, have been specializing more and more in the "police/military" side of their multifunctionality, or else they have directly degenerated into "beauty lines" almost functionally useless...
As a curiosity I will tell you, that one of the few Working German Shepherds I know herding cattle in Spain, works not with sheep, but with fighting bulls (work here generally entrusted to the Spanish Alano, the Villano de Encartaciones or even the Boxer de Trabajo), and also from a herd certainly not famous for the lack of bravery of their cattle.... I have seen him working on Spanish public television, in programmes about bullfighting...: grazing "Border Collie style" he is much more efficient and subtle than the Alanos, in "normal" conditions... But if the situation becomes "more serious" and the bull refuses to cooperate, even facing the dog, only Alanos are able to solve the situation without risking their physical integrity. And of course, when it is necessary for the dogs to physically grab the bull with their mouths, it is the Alanos who are the ones who are able to solve the situation without risking their physical integrity;
not only would it be suicide for the German Shepherd, but if he manages to catch a running bull without being gored and trampled, his bite is inefficient in holding/subduing/calming the bull, and in addition to that lack of efficiency , causes injuries and damage to the bull that does not cause a Spanish Alano holding with maximum efficiency...
...El Mani kicks us out of his thread with bucketfuls of cold water like street dogs, heh, heh...
A gift (not mine): Anatolian Mastiff/Kangal or a Spanish Mastiff of Work, rescuing a sheep unable to get out of the water it fell into:
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Haha, El Mani started this with the cute puppy picture. Now, i really miss my chickens that i gave up due to old age, and we could get into that! Or the pictures of strawberries, cuz we have FOUR veggie gardens, ha!
I get sort of jealous of seeing pictures of Cannabis growing outdoors or in greenhouses....etc. The photos of the plants on this thread are looking good. More photos! I can live with the jealousy, ha.
I get sort of jealous of seeing pictures of Cannabis growing outdoors or in greenhouses....etc. The photos of the plants on this thread are looking good. More photos! I can live with the jealousy, ha.
I like all those contributions, my canine experience is rather limited although I have always had dogs, cats and other pets.
Since I have a farm, chickens, rabbits, two dogs and some cats, three orange fields, one olive field and a couple of vegetable gardens take away the time I have left after sleeping little and working my 8-hour day. .
When I have some time I like to take a look at the forum and I enjoy your comments, those who contribute are welcome to the farm.
I'm going with the progress.
Some selected recently transplanted to land.
ZamaldelicaA5
C5A5
ThaiA5
zamal/jamaica bm
DannyB/Mango hz
and the cbd on a pot.
Cousin @Montuno you are a dog eminence, if the dog gives me a problem I have no doubt who to turn to...
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Since I have a farm, chickens, rabbits, two dogs and some cats, three orange fields, one olive field and a couple of vegetable gardens take away the time I have left after sleeping little and working my 8-hour day. .
When I have some time I like to take a look at the forum and I enjoy your comments, those who contribute are welcome to the farm.
I'm going with the progress.
Some selected recently transplanted to land.
ZamaldelicaA5
C5A5
ThaiA5
zamal/jamaica bm
DannyB/Mango hz
and the cbd on a pot.
Cousin @Montuno you are a dog eminence, if the dog gives me a problem I have no doubt who to turn to...
Salu2
Holeshot51
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That A5 Thai . Looks like it’s g to be a “weapon”
No news for now , the females on the ground continue their growth at a good pace .
ThaiA5 has acclimated very well to transplanting and has leaves the size of a dinner plate.
Zamaldelica A5 grows lanky like crazy, but smells amazing.
Cbd # 1 despite being in a pot looks very nice.
ThaiA5 male and Colombian mangobiche female
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ThaiA5 has acclimated very well to transplanting and has leaves the size of a dinner plate.
Zamaldelica A5 grows lanky like crazy, but smells amazing.
Cbd # 1 despite being in a pot looks very nice.
ThaiA5 male and Colombian mangobiche female
Salu2
Starting the holidays, I put some photos and then in the fresh air we make a summary now that I have some time....
@Montuno primo A swim in the pool and play...
The field is in full swing
Aubergines
Curious leaf
Granada
Alcachofa
RoadDawg
Little kiwis
C5 A5
Tomate antiguo
The corn for some @Tangwena cob style
@dubi friend later if that's what I'll ask you a couple of questions to see
@Montuno primo A swim in the pool and play...
The field is in full swing
Aubergines
Curious leaf
Granada
Alcachofa
RoadDawg
Little kiwis
C5 A5
Tomate antiguo
The corn for some @Tangwena cob style
@dubi friend later if that's what I'll ask you a couple of questions to see
Montuno
...como el Son...
Será muy interesante para mi, ver como acaban las plantas que has doblado en U invertida y con la punta apical principal tan por debajo de las secundarias, respecto a como crecen dobladas (aunque sea pegada al suelo) pero con la punta principal al mismo nivel, o algo por encima.
It will be very interesting for me, to see how the plants that you have bent into an inverted U and with the main apical tip so far below the secondary ones end up, compared to how they grow bent (even if it is attached to the ground) but with the main tip at the same level, or something above.
Esos tomates están ya fuera del alcance de la mayoria de los mortales, je. Son como la hierba sativa de los '60 para los jipis gringos...algo entre la épica y la leyenda, je...
It will be very interesting for me, to see how the plants that you have bent into an inverted U and with the main apical tip so far below the secondary ones end up, compared to how they grow bent (even if it is attached to the ground) but with the main tip at the same level, or something above.
Esos tomates están ya fuera del alcance de la mayoria de los mortales, je. Son como la hierba sativa de los '60 para los jipis gringos...algo entre la épica y la leyenda, je...
hello cousins, as I have some time I will make a summary...
We start the season with more or less a hundred seeds, some old to see the germination, some to reproduce and something to consume. In a protected seedbed, directly to the ground without soaking, like all life.
After a few days they began to appear. For the first transplant I made the first selections, three ThaiA5, two SMH, two zamaldelicaA5, two C5A5 and one Cbd#1 fell on the ACE side.
At the beginning of June, a zamaldelicaA5 that stinks and has aromas of carrot, a very robust C5A5, the ThaiA5 that seemed more Thai to me, were transplanted to the ground. I put the cbd in a good pot.
The days have started to shorten and I want to try some things...
@dubi I have thought about doing a wild pruning to the ThaiA5, he is 1.80m tall and I want to leave it at 1/3, I have done similar things with different results, it has gone particularly well with Thais, I don't know if you have tried it with this particular strain. I apologize in advance to those more sensitive.
@Montuno live dubbing is a common technique on the farm, it comes in handy to provide support and they better withstand inclement weather then, for tomatoes I have some year-old vines from houses and mud.
@Tangwena here in Spain everything is close but only on the map,
we will keep reporting
We start the season with more or less a hundred seeds, some old to see the germination, some to reproduce and something to consume. In a protected seedbed, directly to the ground without soaking, like all life.
After a few days they began to appear. For the first transplant I made the first selections, three ThaiA5, two SMH, two zamaldelicaA5, two C5A5 and one Cbd#1 fell on the ACE side.
At the beginning of June, a zamaldelicaA5 that stinks and has aromas of carrot, a very robust C5A5, the ThaiA5 that seemed more Thai to me, were transplanted to the ground. I put the cbd in a good pot.
The days have started to shorten and I want to try some things...
@dubi I have thought about doing a wild pruning to the ThaiA5, he is 1.80m tall and I want to leave it at 1/3, I have done similar things with different results, it has gone particularly well with Thais, I don't know if you have tried it with this particular strain. I apologize in advance to those more sensitive.
@Montuno live dubbing is a common technique on the farm, it comes in handy to provide support and they better withstand inclement weather then, for tomatoes I have some year-old vines from houses and mud.
@Tangwena here in Spain everything is close but only on the map,
we will keep reporting
