Expecting more than 1000% stretch, Waldy. Don't disappoint me please
Here's a photo of my little Malawi, seems to be a girl and really late start flowering, as is the AngolaThai. Chopped one of my big plants, so the little ones have a bit more room to stretch.
Here's a photo of my little Malawi, seems to be a girl and really late start flowering, as is the AngolaThai. Chopped one of my big plants, so the little ones have a bit more room to stretch.
Waldgeist
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soil buffers ph, coco should be used like a hydroponic media -> but with enough drain through it, its not so much important to adjust ph every watering. can run ph 6,5+ with 200% drain each feeding without lockouts ...
eu norm tray/box 60x40x12cm, but those are with broken through handles only can fill to 7 cm.
I run those with bottom watering only this time, i keep a cm of nutrient solution in the bottom and fill up as they demand.
Media is coco/vermiculite mix ~ 70/30.
Waldgeist
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Expecting more than 1000% stretch, Waldy. Don't disappoint me please
Here's a photo of my little Malawi, seems to be a girl and really late start flowering, as is the AngolaThai. Chopped one of my big plants, so the little ones have a bit more room to stretch.
think you can watch it then face to face from your treehouse when smokin well cured thai flowers in late november, eh?
all is flowering outdoors here, only malawi still vegging, but i got them in bigger pots so i can move them to a garden shelter when the first frost comes ...
yours is a beauty and looks more flowering like my big bushs, strange worlds
Excellent work waldgeist, have you added any beneficials(microherd) or are you using only nutrients. I am using 2.6l pots and am thinking to downsize because of bushing and crowding. In your .7l pots are you having rootbinding in 100 days of flowering? also what are dimensions of your .7l pots and what is the maximum plant density at full flower. Are you experiencing any air circulation problems at full density?
Waldgeist
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hey
, I use ewc teas together with chemical nutrition, on all soil and coco based media. sometimes in one solution, sometimes additional/foliar.
I try with those 24 malawis (1,4l, 9x9x21cm) a coco/vermi run that uses only subirrigation, so I chose this media for best wicking abilities + buffer.
other plants are grown in soil or coco or topora/perlite right now but I like to play with media as you can see, so there is always change to it.
these small treepots measure 7x7x18cm, the molds on the side makes the roots run down, be airpruned there and then branch out through the complete media. no circling/binding.
maximum density for 2x 100w cdm-t a 60x80cm(0,48 m²)total-
is 40 plants per 60x40 tray. 80 plants total. 7x7x18cm pot each.
this ONLY works with sativa-thin leaved strains in that density and requires very strong ventilation 24/7 and highest possible air exchange rates while keeping humidity and temperature ideal.
Hybrids shade theirself too much in that density and will give you mold issues.
Dont defoliate anything (the very lowest two nodes can be pruned to make better aeration below). You seek apical dominance and no branching here.
when you yield 3g per plant here, your over a gpw.
maybe start with 10x10 or 9x9 first when you try.
I tried with hybrids before! better go 15x15x20 with them/or slabs
.15x15 is 100 plants under a 600 a 1,5x1,5m.
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thanks no prob bro, yes i think the width makes an effect on that, think like: why should she branch when she cant take the weight after? direct adaption to environmental factors.
of course this behavior can be tricked out with more intense lightning in a more open canopy or more nitrates and PGRs or both or silicates or all together
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and aische you fuckin beauty
'So if the width is the controlling factor for plant width...WHat effect does pot depth have on plant growth. If width is kept the same but depth doubled in a micro setup. What do you think the results would be'
this depends on more than one factor, i have no clue if a deeper root system will give a longer bud or something like that in return. it starts right there with 'how the root system was build early on' and many other factors like lightning, nutrition and so on. in general I would say that more volume of used media by roots equals more volume in green mass when all other factors are exactly the same(also the width of the pot). Its also not always wanted to have more than a practical usable volume of media per plant for a certain setup. search for a 'sweet spot'(highest archievable yield with a given strain in given conditions), start from below.
'So if the width is the controlling factor for plant width...WHat effect does pot depth have on plant growth. If width is kept the same but depth doubled in a micro setup. What do you think the results would be'
this depends on more than one factor, i have no clue if a deeper root system will give a longer bud or something like that in return. it starts right there with 'how the root system was build early on' and many other factors like lightning, nutrition and so on. in general I would say that more volume of used media by roots equals more volume in green mass when all other factors are exactly the same(also the width of the pot). Its also not always wanted to have more than a practical usable volume of media per plant for a certain setup. search for a 'sweet spot'(highest archievable yield with a given strain in given conditions), start from below.
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G`day Waldi
That`s an interesting concept .
I learnt to fertilise trees at the width of the branches . The so called " drip line ." Where rain and dew drip off the branch tips onto the ground below . That would be an active area for microbes I suspect ?
I used the small pot to reduce branching theory from the Ultimate Sativa thread, for a SOG style Sativa grow with good results . It seems we can get away with a much smaller volume of coco than soil .
Running cuts is a little different than from seed . The clones generally have less Apical Dominance .
Thanks for sharin
EB .
That`s an interesting concept .
I learnt to fertilise trees at the width of the branches . The so called " drip line ." Where rain and dew drip off the branch tips onto the ground below . That would be an active area for microbes I suspect ?
I used the small pot to reduce branching theory from the Ultimate Sativa thread, for a SOG style Sativa grow with good results . It seems we can get away with a much smaller volume of coco than soil .
Running cuts is a little different than from seed . The clones generally have less Apical Dominance .
Thanks for sharin
EB .
I am really enjoying this conversation. From my experience apical dominance is related to many other factors including environmental and sibling/related plant proximity and also generational epigenetic factors. If the plants are planted in in close proximity to related plants they tend to grow more naturally columnal. If grown next to an unrelated plant they tend to bush and even compete more for nutrients.
I have seen it where plants of same line grow much differently (tested outdoor only) dependant on the plant next to it in high concentration tropical environment. In the old days we would cluster plants and they would grow columnal however with the introduction of non native strains they would bush over several generations(this is direct in soil planting) I am new to indoor growing so not much experience indoors so I am not sure how this applies to the indoor environment.
Bottom line Wald, do you think if we grow from seed for 3-4 generations in width controlled pots would that structure epigenetically transfer to following generations facilitating natural columnal growth? or will the plants acclimatize in unexpected ways and modify other factors related to growth also such as bud density etc.
I have seen it where plants of same line grow much differently (tested outdoor only) dependant on the plant next to it in high concentration tropical environment. In the old days we would cluster plants and they would grow columnal however with the introduction of non native strains they would bush over several generations(this is direct in soil planting) I am new to indoor growing so not much experience indoors so I am not sure how this applies to the indoor environment.
Bottom line Wald, do you think if we grow from seed for 3-4 generations in width controlled pots would that structure epigenetically transfer to following generations facilitating natural columnal growth? or will the plants acclimatize in unexpected ways and modify other factors related to growth also such as bud density etc.
