Acapulco Gold

[pinkus]

I have read after the "drought" due to paraquat spraying (about 1974 or so I am not sure of the actual date, as I wasn't there), any yellow buds were sold as Acapulco Gold due to the higher prices

I remember it being sold as Lumbo gold myself. The Columbian was being moved in huge quantities by the time paraquat was being used in Mexico. AG, at least where I was, was heard about more than seen. the Columbian was available, way better than average Mexican brick.

 

[@hempy]

Cannabis strains in the 70s 80s even 90s here were never hyped when people said Pan Red or Thai or Colombian or even AG people didn't freak out like they do today.
These strains were the Sk1 of the day it was every were back in the 70s 80s that is how they made a name.

 

[harvestreaper]

acapulco gold sounds like a name a beach dealer would call his product after testing his latest batch and finding it high quality ," wow what this shit called amigo ?? aca,,pul,,co,,,gold maaan" lol,,,,was all the weed in usa marketed as acapulco gold a strain from acapulco? i doubt it ,,ive known growers in us that grew from 50s to 90s they told me for them the panama red was the best and there were two kinds a highland and a lowland one was good and one exeptional also many imitaters im sure the same with acapulco gold the black market has never been about integrity its about money i dont suppose theres anyone that can say they obtained the most powerful or one of the most powerful sativa crops in acapulco on site and kept a line going til today ,,the ag line i have came from bsc supposedly descended from seeds in a bag of ag from 70s ,,my only personal experiance was being given weed in the 80s called acapulco gold once in london once in holland they were definatly the same with quite a distinctive taste effect ,,the bsc line had a pheno that tasted just like these other two but all that proves is that its probably related to the weed i tried in 80s it dont prove any of them were real deal acapulco gold lol you could buy weed called acapulco gold in coffee shops in the 80s weather it was or not have no idea ,,,,

a few pics of the bsc ag reminded me of a sk haze type but i dont know if it because its been crossed to sk haze or skunk haze contains ag,,, the plot thickens lol

 

[pinkus]

Back in the day, it really was distinctive on the few occasions I got to try it, little golden nugs WITHOUT seeds... or at least compared to weed we were used to. I was a novice, so of course I thought it was great. It wasn't common looking. I don't really remember the high or the flavor.

I do have many more memories of the plant in the 70s as my sister grew one as a house plant. My mother was even aware and allowed it. Visually in vegetative state it really was a dead ringer for the line I have been playing with; very skinny fingers on the leaves, leaves on the small side for a sativa, and shedding them as they yellow and fall. They are quickly replaced. Not proof of anything, but it gives me reassurance.

I haven't talked to her about it in years. I will see if she has any more memories of it.

 

[harvestreaper]

that bohdi ag sure sounds good and authentic, interested to hear smoke reports ...i rememberd after my post id had it one other time in early 80s it was the first time i went to amsterdam id never heard of skunk or haze so my first purchace from a coffee shop was acapulco gold ,,,thai,,and nepalese black , i can still remember a little about the ag it was distinctive full in flavour sticky and sweet the high was strong happy and long lasting ,,,not trippy or scary or trancey like thai or jamaican could be,,more warm happy very enjoyable combined with its strong flavour ,, ive recognised a similar smell in some sk1 lines in past my memories of it were that it was high quality sociable weed but the potency wasnt epic like wow what hit me but more thats really nice weed to take to a party ,,but as mentioned this is 80s europe so i have no idea weather it was authentic or not i did not know source but there must be plenty of others that had this particular variety as it was sold in coffee shops maybe it just a commercial cross as the coffee shop jamaican sensi altho very nice had nothing on the real deal from jamaica lol

 

[pinkus]

2 days short of 30 weeks

2 days short of 30 weeks

~30weeks@10/14

The great news is the stuff I cut a while ago is now potent enough to put a huge grin on my face after a few puffs. Really happy weed.
I'm so glad i have some Xed to the HMxBB F1s.

 

[herbgreen]

^^^Hell Yeah...That's gotta be Real!!!

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

What are you waiting for? Trichomes not maturing?

 

[pinkus]

I'm waiting for it to finish. And I am glad that I am waiting. The stuff IS noticeably more potent that I cut about a month ago than the stuff harvested as a whole plant (about 20 weeks IIRC) on an earlier run of the same plant.

I want to see what it is like taken until it stops throwing fresh pistils. It's not taking up much space, but the HMxBB F2 that is taking up part of the screen will be cut within a week. I will stop the madness then.

By the way, a few of the offspring are being tested in the fields of South Texas this summer. Yeeee Haaaa!

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Nice! I dig the plan. I was just asking because that's the longest I've ever heard of for flowering. I recently switched my lighting to COB LEDs and am a little worried that they are not helping my trichomes mature for some reason.

 

[ahortator]

I have read some sativas get more powerful in the last few weeks of the flowering time. Also they turn yellowish or brownish. I have harvested sometimes when the plant died herself. Supposedly when the peak of potency was long ago passed away, according most books. However the stuff was good.

I've had various opinions on this through the years. But what I have come to figure is a bit less exciting than some of the nostalgia we think of today in retrospect.

First I would like to say I have on numerous occasions sun dried marijuana I've grown, and it DOES NOT turn it a golden color under any circumstances I've ever encountered. In fact some times it makes the bud quite a bit darker. I'm personally convinced that the sun drying doesn't have anything to do with the golden color.

Second I've read about the girdling, but never personally tried it. While it may work the sheer volume of product moved during the 70's would have made it almost impossible to do such a labor intensive procedure to the incredible amount of plants being grown at the time. So I doubt that was the method that produced the Gold grass we remember, though the process very well may work.

What I have noticed, is that when grass is seeded the seeded pods often take on a very light color, which can turn bright yellow during curing. Also of course when leaves lose their cholophyll they also turn quite a golden color.

Now this brings me to my final point, for the sake of brevity. My father was in a biker gang during the 60s and owned a motorcycle shop in the French Quarter in New Orleans.

Some of the people he was close to were involved in smuggling Mexican grass between California and the Gulf Coast from Texas. What one of his old friends told me made a lot of sense. Bear in mind he is not a grower, and doesn't know anything about strains. Just grass. But what he said makes sense.

He said in those days there were no strain names. Nothing like that. Grass was grass. There were only two types available when you went to the Mexican border towns and asked for grass.

There was regular green commercial weed, which was produced by being "picked green". Once the seeds were ripe, the main colas were harvested.

The problem is that seeds get ripe after only 50-60 days. Sativas we now know today take 3-5 months to finish. Not two months. So almost all of the weed being sold back then was quite immature by todays standards. Stuff that was left out in the field to mature, eventually turned gold as the plant ate up its own nutrients.

Put very simply, "gold" just meant ripe. It meant that the weed had lived long enough for the resin glands to mature into a more psychoactive product than its green counterpart. It got sold for a bit more than the commercial weed.

As growing techniques progressed over the upcoming decades, when grass became an expensive commodity, farmers quite treating marijuana as a wild ditchweed, and began growing patches of more intensely cultivated and fertilized weed. The "gold" disappeared. Quite naturally as those plants were better cared for and simply stopped turning gold when they had enough nutrients in the soil to provide healthy growth.

In summary, similar to "Kush", I'm not necessarily convinced "Acapulco Gold" was ever a strain at all. Rather a slang term for highland sativas of southern Mexico. Which were left to mature,
and were more potent than the lower quality green weed. The areas of Oaxaca, Acapulco, Guerrero, Puebla, etc. Are literally all within a couple hundred miles of one another, and are a similar environment.

Basically I think if you took any pure Mexican sativa, which still freely exists in high numbers in our current era.Simply grew it fully seeded in regular top soil, with no nutrient feedings, and allowed it to ripen, the resulting product would be indistinguishable from what was around in the 60's and 70s as Acapulco Gold. I'm not convinced "Acapulco Gold" is really any different than the Oaxacas and so forth that still exist in the current era. What disappeared I think, isn't the genes, but the growing methods that produced the gold color. And most likely for the better.

Just my .02

 

[pinkus]

Yeah, my own thoughts on all this have evolved over the years.

I probably wouldn't be testing this way if I hadn't been blown away by the extracted oil. There wasn't much but the effect was stellar, so there IS something special about the plant. I figured that I am kind of obligated to try produce some offspring as this is unique in my experience TODAY, though back in the seeded days pretty much every Thai that I attempted never finished. Back then, I abandoned the thought of growing Thai when Northern Lights hit town.

Since I started growing sinsemilla (yeah, I am that old, LOL) I have always tried to wait for that last gasp plumping of the Calyxes as the pistils stop being thrown. I didn't see that in the twenty week run. So I started flowering this the moment the clones had roots, literally one was an inch (this plant which is just shy of 5 feet) and one was an inch and a half which was over 6 feet, though heavily manipulated.


My current thoughts are that selection towards plants that finish on a person's schedule has excluded these types of plants.

I will probably need to edit this, as I am pre coffee and feel my mind wandering.

 

[brickweeder]

...So I started flowering this the moment the clones had roots, literally one was an inch (this plant which is just shy of 5 feet) and one was an inch and a half which was over 6 feet, though heavily manipulated.

Thank you, this is good info.

 

[Hammerhead]

wow 7 months flower, That's some serious patience.

 

[pinkus]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8672721&postcount=376

That was the first post in this thread about this individual plant/clone. Earlier in the thread, There is a scrog grow of the seed plants.

I said it in that thread, but these are shots at about 7-8 weeks under 10/14. I was only planning on making seeds but then decided why not ride this bitch into the ground if I can hold on.

 

[@hempy]

Hi Pinkus question is the plant directly under a light or real close to it.
i have a sativa that wont sex under 3 to 4 months of 12/12 or 10/14.

The reason i am asking about the light is sats out doors flowers mature from the top down indoors they mature bottom up.If the plant is to close to the light you can even see veg shoots develop from flowers.They dont like intense direct light once in flower they do much better if placed on the out side further away from direct light.

 

[pinkus]

Hi Pinkus question is the plant directly under a light or real close to it.
i have a sativa that wont sex under 3 to 4 months of 12/12 or 10/14.

The reason i am asking about the light is sats out doors flowers mature from the top down indoors they mature bottom up.If the plant is to close to the light you can even see veg shoots develop from flowers.They dont like intense direct light once in flower they do much better if placed on the out side further away from direct light.

It's off to the side. That's why it's been allowed such a long run. The other individual of the same clone was under a hot pink Illumitex LED panel and it "finished" sooner. This one, under white light but off to the side seems happier. BTW, much as you reported with haze, I stopped feeding this a LONG time ago, and used about 500 ppms when I was fertilizing.

 

[nepalnt21]

enjoyable combined with its strong flavour ,, ive recognised a similar smell in some sk1 lines

weird, just the other day i had a similar line of thought...

'acapulco gold' from the dispensary has this flowery smell to me, reminiscent of another strain 'sunflower green' which is said to have high ocimene (can't remember which isomer).

then i recently located what's labelled as 'skunk #1' and it has that same smell on top of a different background. not sure if it's the ocimene, but interesting nonetheless.

very trance-like and dreamy, and a lot like the a.g. only it had a stonier development. good mind relaxer but still thinky.

i remember a.g. (been a few months) to have a more motivational and up high, but the similar hypnotic mindset made coordinating my efforts sometimes moot...

 

[@hempy]

It's off to the side. That's why it's been allowed such a long run. The other individual of the same clone was under a hot pink Illumitex LED panel and it "finished" sooner. This one, under white light but off to the side seems happier. BTW, much as you reported with haze, I stopped feeding this a LONG time ago, and used about 500 ppms when I was fertilizing.

I have never run LED lights that is interesting that the different spectrum of light had a faster time.I love the look of the plant mate wish more would run them bag appeal is shit but smoke quality cant be beat.

I would love to see a cured pic of the flowers good job.

 

[yesum]

Good news, glad for you pinkus. Hope the high can continue for you and not fade like it did with me.