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A question for the growers using Jacks 5-12-26

caljim

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Some Useful info from the JR Peters site on how to make their stock 1 to .67 ratio base solution and how to amend it to your plants needs.

.....Just in case you don't want to make 1000 gallons.....

.....I crunched the numbers with their proportions to make 5 gallons.....

18.2g Jacks

1.4g Mg(optional)

12.4g CalNit.

Made a batch following ppm (.5 scale) as I went...

Jacks = 540 ppm

skipped the epsom

CalNit = 320ppm

Giving a nutrient solution of 860ppm (not including 130ppm of tap water) which is about 200ppm higher than what everything generally gets in veg. This is also the 1 : .67 ratio that Jacks calls for as a base. But I know from experience that my plants in veg will show purpling stems and some cal def at these numbers so I bump up the Calnit and feed at about 650ppm those troubles along wth slow rooting clones....go away. YMMV


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Controlled Environment: Growing hydroponically with Jack’s

General Hydroponic growing with 2 part
Jack’s Professional Hydroponic Formula has been designed to serve as a base foundation for hydroponic growing. It can be manipulated in such a manner as to provide virtually any combination of nutrient levels desired, providing the highest availability to plants, due primarily to Jack’s proven ability to remain in true solution over long periods of time.

Jack’s Professional 5-12-26 Hydroponic

Follow these steps to obtain a precipitate free solution

Dissolve 130 ounces of 5-12-26 Hydroponic in 1000 gallons of final feed solution. You will obtain the following elemental PPM concentrations:
Element N P K Mg SO4 Fe Mn Zn Cu B Mo
PPM 50 52 215 63 246 3 .50 .15 .15 .50 .10
For the most effective use of the Hydroponic formula, it is essential that the nutrient content of the irrigation water being used is known. These figures are then taken into consideration and should be added to the distilled water figures as quotes above. This is of special importance when figuring the need for adding more Magnesium (Mg) and Calcium (ca) depending on the needs of the crops being grown.

Dissolve any additional Epsom salts desired into the above 1000-gallon solution before proceeding. For most crops, 50 PPM Magnesium is an adequate level in solution. To increase your Magnesium levels, dissolve 10 ounces of Epsom salts in 1000-gallons of final feed solution to obtain 7.5 PPM additional Magnesium and 3.00 ppm Sulfur (SO4).

IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT ANY EPSOM SALTS TO BE ADDED MUST BE ADDED TO THE HYDROPONIC SOLUTION AND BE DISSOLVED BEFORE THE ADDITION OF CALCIUM NITRATE.

NOTE: Jack’s Hydroponic fertilizer contains NO calcium.

After dissolving Jack’s Hydroponic and any Epsom salts in the tank, proceed as follows:

Dissolve 86 ounces of Calcium Nitrate into the above 1000-gallon solution to obtain a total nutrient concentration of 150 PPM Nitrogen and 116 PPM Calcium.
Should higher Nitrogen and Potassium levels be desired, the addition of 1-ounce Potassium Nitrate per 1000 gallons will add the following concentrations:

Nitrogen—1.00 ppm N Potassium 2.74 ppm K
Should higher Calcium levels be desired, the addition of 1 ounce Calcium Chloride per 1000-gallons would add the following concentrations:

Calcium as Ca—2.09 ppm Ca
Should higher Potash levels be desired, the addition of 1 ounce Potassium Sulfate per 1000-gallons would add the following concentrations:

Potassium as K—3.11 ppm K
Should higher Manganese levels be desired, the addition of 1-ounce Manganese sulfate per 1000 gallons would add the following concentrations:

Manganese as Mn—1.87 ppm Mn
Should higher Iron levels be desired, the addition of 1 ounce of the following per 1000 gallons will add the following concentrations:

13% Chelated Iron as Fe EDTA — 0.975 ppm Fe
11% Chelated Iron as Fe DTPA — 0.80 ppm Fe
6% Chelated Iron as Fe EDDHA — 0.45 ppm Fe
Jack’s Hydroponic Formula is heavily buffered to produce an idea working solution pH of between 6.00 and 6.50, but under unusual circumstances, it may be necessary to adjust the solution pH up or down with the use of mineral or organic acid complexes. Please consult water quality when choosing amount for pH change.
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Treetroit City

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Curious if anyone has called to inquire about the change to the pro hydro salts? I buy the 25 lb bags and it always used to dissolve into a clean light yellow liquid. I just bought a new bag and it dissolves into a reddish muddy color. This eventually turns to yellow but with a layer of scum on top.
I should note this is when dissolving 5-6 Tbls into a quart of water, which then gets introduced to 40-50 gallons of water. This new/different formula also now leaves a scum ring around my 55 gallon barrel reservoir whereas this never used to be the case.
I plan on calling to ask about this but if anyone already has I'm all ears.
 

Treetroit City

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My bags for past year do this not sure what they changed but nothing has changed with the plants

Good to hear, my plants look fine as well but I really liked how clean it used to be in my res, now I find myself having to clean it between fills as opposed to just a quick wipe down.
 

Miraculous Meds

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Good to hear, my plants look fine as well but I really liked how clean it used to be in my res, now I find myself having to clean it between fills as opposed to just a quick wipe down.

Maybe try reducing the concentrate a bit more before adding it to the res. I get that color and frothiness when my concentrate is only half diluted. When i add the rest of the water, it dissipates. My res stays clear.
 

caljim

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Is this the kind of scum/precipitate that is being talked about? These jugs are attempts at making Stock solutions for the Jacks 5-12-26...the cal nit goes into solution with no issue. But the jacks has been giving me that dirty bath tub ring.

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RB56

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I had the black participate in the last batch. Most recent (purchased a month or so ago) is back to clean. Mine was not that bad but I mix stock solution with 1 pound 5-12-26 to one gallon of distilled water. Maybe yours is more concentrated?
 

Treetroit City

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Is this the kind of scum/precipitate that is being talked about? These jugs are attempts at making Stock solutions for the Jacks 5-12-26...the cal nit goes into solution with no issue. But the jacks has been giving me that dirty bath tub ring.

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Well mine doesn't look that bad but yeah kinda same thing. I put in a call today to jr peters and am expecting a call back tomorrow from Crystal regarding this issue.
 

Big_Al's_Buds

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6.2 ph in

Im looking for a better rate but this works well for me at this time.. Keep an eye at run off and look for a ph run off of 6 - 6.2.. adjust ph going in accordingly
 

caljim

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I had the black participate in the last batch. Most recent (purchased a month or so ago) is back to clean. Mine was not that bad but I mix stock solution with 1 pound 5-12-26 to one gallon of distilled water. Maybe yours is more concentrated?

Those were mixed at 880grams per gallon, one in my tap water, the other in distilled water...same thing...

Maximum solubility, of the 5-12-26 is 3# per gallon so thats not it. I called JR Peters and they were nice, but not terribly helpful...got a big "don't know" .... not terribly insightful.

This was back in February, since then I just mix a one part stock in 5 gallons of water, 100gr Jacks/88 grams of CalNit for veg and early flower. Tapering off on the CalNit as i go through flower while maintaining PPM. Stock gets diluted down to whatever ppm i need ...no precipitate at those values when combined.
 

caljim

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So what's a good recipe to run in promix?

If you are not amending your promix with calcium the Jacks/CalNit combo will work.

The products in the "Classic" line assume that your media will hold the Calcium needs of your plants....so maybe the Citrus Feed or the Bloom Booster with a little extra mag.

The Hydro or "Controlled Environment" ferts assume your media will be inert.

The choice comes down to ...do you need, or do you have calcium... in your media.
 

jidoka

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How much Ca do you reckon a 3 gal pot of promix can possibly hold on its Cec sites?
 
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eric2028

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If you are not amending your promix with calcium the Jacks/CalNit combo will work.

The products in the "Classic" line assume that your media will hold the Calcium needs of your plants....so maybe the Citrus Feed or the Bloom Booster with a little extra mag.

The Hydro or "Controlled Environment" ferts assume your media will be inert.

The choice comes down to ...do you need, or do you have calcium... in your media.

Yea this is just regular promix hp. Just looking for a good basic recipe from start to finish. The recipe I use in tupar coco recks havoc around week 2 of flower in promix for some reason.
 

Trich_Tyson

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My concentrates looked the same caljim. I haven't used concentrates in a bit because of it.. I'll be back to them soon.. easier to dissolve. I get flakes when I dump salts into the rez, they disappear after a day. but i dun like it.

eric. I used promix hp cut with perlite last run.. I did a 1:1 ratio thru stretch and then backed up to 3-2-1. I never cut cal nit.. 1.0 to 1.2. Flushed 2+ weeks and i didn't get the crusty disgusting fade i like. I plan to cut cal nit at some point. Im in coco now.
 
Solubiliy is higly dependant on Temperature. For a Stock Solution try raising the Temperature to 85F. Combine that with 0 PPM RO Water and a lot of Agitation. Any Precipation still happening can be ignored or better filtered out.

No Precipation is one of the few Advantages liquid Formulas have, als they are all heavily Filtered.
 

caljim

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How much Ca do you reckon a 3 gal pot of promix can possibly hold on its Cec sites?

Cant really say...that is more your neck of the woods. Im a coco coir guy.

I guessing you are trying to say that a 3 gal can't hold enough cal for a cycle. Maybe you could chime in with some wisdom?
 

Treetroit City

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So I spoke with crystal at jr peters. Her explanation was that they improved the iron portion of the pro hydro and switched from one form of chelated iron to three different forms and as a result the solubility went down a bit.
She suggested just using a lower concentration in concentrated stock solutions but the fact is I'm mixing 5 tablespoons into a quart and letting it sit for a day and then filtering it thru coffee filters and then adding to 40 gallons of RO and it is still leaving a ring around my barrel so I'm not sure about.
I guess I will try just adding the 5 TBLS of powder straight to my 40 gallons and see if it makes a difference.
 
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