I can smell that poop from here lol, i bet your neighbors loved you unless you had a good air tight scrubber/filter
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91'chemdog
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I can smell that poop from here lol, i bet your neighbors loved you unless you had a good air tight scrubber/filter
shishkaboy
>>>>Beanie Man<<<<
I was just wondering if there were any interesting aromatic expressions.
Would you say the 91 is closer to a marker or an oil rag?
I think skva smells like burnt rubber.
CoCoSativas
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Underdog was a planned breeding project made in 93 by a dude named weasel. Yes that lineage is correct.
There are actually surviving seeds from the underdog breeding. The underdogs i have at the moment are a bx to the udog clone which you are asking about, using a male found in original seed that was givin to the holder at the same time as the clone.
The seeds i popped were very large, patternless and light tan colour.
I am not permitted to share more details on the subject of the male plant used to start the bx project.
Here is a baby udog i have 13 others. The line is slow in veg though i am told yields well. I have seen alot of pics of the udog mom shes pretty sweet. Though she has all the problems jj described and has been mostly culled except for a few people who still love her.
There are a fair share of ressesive mutants within the udog population. They show themselves as either hooked leaf seedlings and or super broad leafes on the plants. The udog i posted a pic of is such a broad mutant. Males and females display mutations im told thanks to the 91 in it. Im not a chem guy so i trust the info ive been given on that matter.
At this time i am not sure what the holder plants to do with the udog bx project he is working on. I am testing the first bx at the moment. They came to me by way of a interesting accident really. A member here saw i was hunting around for the 91 here in canada with little success and was like hey give me your info and ill pass it along to a buddy hes got something chem you might really want. Hes not on here but ill put you in contact.
If you have questions about the underdog clone or about the udogs i am growing at this time please shoot me a pm. This thread is cool though its not often i have time to check on it. My overall impression of these is they are interesting though kinda shorter and slower than im used to (im used to big fast vegging sativas) but its cool to be testing out an attemt to revive a old nearly lost variety. From having spoken to the holder at length about his stuff i have no reason to not believe what he has is legit. How he came about them was a pretty personal story, even though it was quite a while ago its not my place to talk about another mans life. Im fine to share a couple pics of the underdog clone though. She goes dark leaves outside
Cheers i hope the information i provided was helpful. I have some pictures of the underdog clone grown outside.
After Good Ol dog said he found some seeds in his harvest I have been closely watching this run.. I did find 1 seed.. I will let it ripen then pop it on a rainy day. I know its not from anything else. That 1 skva is the only plant with a seed on it. I check my girls often for nuts or nanners. I think this is 5-6 weeks. Not sure no dates on my plants.
OneStonedPony
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That's a seed I'd grow out before I had a rainy day.
Underdog was a planned breeding project made in 93 by a dude named weasel. Yes that lineage is correct.
There are actually surviving seeds from the underdog breeding. The underdogs i have at the moment are a bx to the udog clone which you are asking about, using a male found in original seed that was givin to the holder at the same time as the clone.
The seeds i popped were very large, patternless and light tan colour.
I am not permitted to share more details on the subject of the male plant used to start the bx project.
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Here is a baby udog i have 13 others. The line is slow in veg though i am told yields well. I have seen alot of pics of the udog mom shes pretty sweet. Though she has all the problems jj described and has been mostly culled except for a few people who still love her.
There are a fair share of ressesive mutants within the udog population. They show themselves as either hooked leaf seedlings and or super broad leafes on the plants. The udog i posted a pic of is such a broad mutant. Males and females display mutations im told thanks to the 91 in it. Im not a chem guy so i trust the info ive been given on that matter.
At this time i am not sure what the holder plants to do with the udog bx project he is working on. I am testing the first bx at the moment. They came to me by way of a interesting accident really. A member here saw i was hunting around for the 91 here in canada with little success and was like hey give me your info and ill pass it along to a buddy hes got something chem you might really want. Hes not on here but ill put you in contact.
If you have questions about the underdog clone or about the udogs i am growing at this time please shoot me a pm. This thread is cool though its not often i have time to check on it. My overall impression of these is they are interesting though kinda shorter and slower than im used to (im used to big fast vegging sativas) but its cool to be testing out an attemt to revive a old nearly lost variety. From having spoken to the holder at length about his stuff i have no reason to not believe what he has is legit. How he came about them was a pretty personal story, even though it was quite a while ago its not my place to talk about another mans life. Im fine to share a couple pics of the underdog clone though. She goes dark leaves outside
Cheers i hope the information i provided was helpful. I have some pictures of the underdog clone grown outside.
Interesting ...... I have an underdawg here that was gifted to me by a local friend , its one of his favorites , he got it from his mentor years ago . gonna have to see if he knows the lineage of it now .
CoCoSativas
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Interesting ...... I have an underdawg here that was gifted to me by a local friend , its one of his favorites , he got it from his mentor years ago . gonna have to see if he knows the lineage of it now .
There are several fake underdogs going around and about 5 fake daywreckers. Lol 1 strain with like 5 names has like 20 knock offs running around all over the place.
Not at all am i saying yours is a fake dan, because im not under any illusions that im the only one in the world with the shit because it was certainly around. Im just throwing out additional hostory i found to be amusing as well as worthy of being aware of. 90% of whats tunning around is fake.
Your underdog, is it a fairly slow vegger? Short and squat for a chem? Does its leaves go dark when it gets cold? If your cut is the original underdog, it should be actually in a fairly sorry state due to its age. Every holder has said its lost much of its nose, potency and vigor. The plant is a fucking beast though thick as hell and just cool. Im not into indica doms at all but this one is inpressive especially grown outdoor when my buddy is at.
There is a underdog that loompa has that was likely a underdog knockoff that came to him from new york. Its a og, good shit i hear... i have his yeti a descendant of his underdog aka headband. This to me is how im certain his is infact a underdog knockoff, headband is one of the known underdog knockoffs. Nothing wrong with that its just interesting to note someone thought, hey this stuff is good, underdog is popular ill knock off the name... i actually love my yetis so far. Love my udogs too.
I havent flowered the udog bx i have at the moment im vegging them. In hoping that one i showed is a girl as its the biggest plant, broadest leaves (most overlap too keep in mind im a goofy sativa grower and dont really fuck with indica genotypes so they amuse me im used to narrow leaf cultivars) but that one is not one of my 3 mutant seedlings i have. 3 showed the hooked mutation on their first leaves and actually now one is growing into it. Interestingly one of my 3 mutants has showed its one of the very broad ones as well im very interested in seeing how these turn out.
I am waiting on the original underdog mother cut as well as some other neat treats. Ive considered doing a separate thread to cover my underdogs but the one i have going os already very large and keeps me busy. I cant handle doing another thread the one i have is enough it keeps me happy, gives me a avenue to vent and connect with friends but its alot of work and i dont want to overdo it. If i push it and its not fun anymore i wont bother to do it properly and then its just not worth while.
As you guys kinly let me know there was interest in the subject with several helpful answer notifications on my ic page i came back to check it out im happy to share anything about them i know and if i dont know i can always ask the friend i got them from. I understand this is the 91/skunkVA thread and dont mean to derail it i just hope i can provide any info for people interested because what i learned was interesting to me. Ill gladly post pics and answer any questions anyone has. Its exciting to see some old and thought to be lost varieties to come out.
I obtained mine from a holder who has been around a while and is just one cool dog. Hes my most connected buddy and i can honestly say its a real honor just to talk to the dude let alone get to grow his bx hes not really passing around. His stories are pretty cool hes my dads age actually, he made a couple cracks about being old and i thought fucking galdalf maybe but no hes not old at all in his 50s. He shares alot with me which is really just amazing because really it was very out of the blue how i came into contact with him and a total stroke of luck. He actually came into possesion of the cut and seeds by a pure stroke of luck as well, though the circumstances were actually very sad though an inspiring story.
I have more underdog seeds coming to me because they veg so slow and are way behind my rest of my room i wont be able to clone them really i need to get to flowering pretty soon so when im ready to look for a clone ill start more. The one i showed pictured will be cloned as well as the second biggest in hopes of snagging a female but they are big enough to do it, its likely too much to try cloning the smaller ones they will end up being to small to bother flower, im cloning tops of smaller seed plants that i want to flower for dope to smoke and sell, so yes i want more for next later but not going to sweat it because i can get many more seeds if i need.
I am not sure if there would be enough interest but i could line up a grow where i dedicate 1 of my 3 lights to a udog run. I could do it by popping more bx seeds, do it with the original clone or if i manage to find a female in the ones big enough to clone theres always that option. I tend to run lots of variety under a light because im just like that it interests me so i do it, but because i am back to running more than 1 light again i can arange it with 1 square meter is used for 1 variety and the rest i can just do a jungle, but for me to really bother planning out such a thing as dedicating a square with 16 clones to be all one variety there would have to be enough interest to bother. Ill do it if people say they are actually going to watch and shit.
Have a good night guys more work to be done
CoCoSativas
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Sorry dan. Even my bx seeds are very slow to veg but im told i will like the yield.
You may have a close relative, descendant or knock off. Many of the knock offs i am told were very good, though obviously a knock off isint the real thing.
Honestly i never used to be able to get anything but seeds now I'm able to get just about anything i still worry more about buying seeds i like rather than chase any specific varieties. The main thing is you like it, thats really all that matters.
I will post some pics once i snag the clone im waiting on my buddy to be ready to root some. Until then ill just have the bx plants im growing to show.
Will be a interesting test for sure.
Some told me Chem 91 was tired. She Did not have the same vigor she once had.. From what I'm seeing she has plenty of everything.. She has been vetted with all the old OG I know. All the pics look like the SKVA cut with the round OG type flowers. JBRAND cut looks way different..
grow your UD then get some old OG's that have had the original let them sample the wares. Take lots of pics try to do some comparisons with known real flowers.. You cant be 100% but you can get enough info to feel confident its real or fake. The fake ones are easier to pick out.
the underdawg came from the same crew my SFV came from , & you guys all told me that was fake cuz the buds grew to big ! so i'm not surprised its not the real deal UD .
but yeah , i'll eventually grow it out & show some pics of her .
shishkaboy
>>>>Beanie Man<<<<
The fake one I run comes out two very different looking ways depending on the conditions.
The smell is basically the same but the way the buds look are very different.
One has small golf balls more reminiscent of an OGK with the lanky growth and all. The other phenotype is more Original Diesel looking with clubby, sloppy type buds.
Same exact cut.
I mentioned it earlier in this thread but was never able to document the Diesel pheno until recently.
The smell is basically the same but the way the buds look are very different.
One has small golf balls more reminiscent of an OGK with the lanky growth and all. The other phenotype is more Original Diesel looking with clubby, sloppy type buds.
Same exact cut.
I mentioned it earlier in this thread but was never able to document the Diesel pheno until recently.
Headband was 1 I had years ago. I never understood the renaming game. Makes it hard to know wtf your growing. fakes can be good smoke. I don't feel comfy using them to make seeds with. I try to get most of my keepers backed up in seed form.
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CoCoSativas
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Outside of the holder i know, jj nyc and weasel you arent likely to find any pics. Well thats not 100% true i have a shitload of underdog pics.
Thats the real deal. Shes still alive but in rough shape.
I dont mean to be a asshole but if dans cut is as he describes its not the real undersog cut. Real or not all that matters is he likes it but if its a fast vegger its a fact its not underdog. Even in the best shape it was a slow vegger, my bx seeds are SLOW AS FUCK and the slowest of 80 young plants to veg.
I hate to be the guy who says its not real but i have a overwhelming amount of info on the real underdog as im in contact with a holder whos had it for nearly as long as its been going if i correctly understand
Hes not going to be able to find anyone to actually verify if its real underdog. Jj and my bro would be able to tell you but they would tell you the same thing im saying. Ive read jjs post at thc farmer (garbage farm) and the holder i know told me the same info. The underdog the real underdog has a host of issues. Unfortunately being able to verify the underdog the way you sugest wont likely pan out because most of what people have tried as undersog is fake.
Also its 100% eliminated there is 0% possibility dans is legit if it grows fast, and has no issues with lack of smell or potency. Most people dumped the cut my buddy who holds it might be the last guy with the real thing. Hes doing a bx project because the original cut is fucked up and dosent do it anymore.
There may be several reasons the 91 is in better shape. Im told its a genetic abnormality something about chromosome shit. Its what causes the mutation in seeds from many of the original chems. The underdogs display that particular retardation fairly often i had 3 out of 14 survivors of the seed pop the hooked mutant leaves.
Anyway i hope those pics help. Theres so much fucking fake ass bullshit floating around comfusing people and while many fakes are near as good or as good as what they immitate the name of its not the same and for growers thats a hassle. We shouldnt have to go to rediculous lengths to get the right shit. Hopefully next time someone says yeah i got underdog, daywecker or original diesel theres some pics so you can tell them to stop wasting your fucking time... i hope these goodballs that pass fakes just find something else to do rather than fuck up the dope buisness with silliness
Ill have a real deal cut to run beside the bx seeds in no time. Ill drop more pics here once i have it. Im not expecting much from her i hear the smell is very deminished, low vigor and potency its like most 20 year old cuts weary and tired reef told me the pink kush master mother is 33 years old and tired too it happens to all.
One thought as to why many old cuts are rough but the 91 is ok, many may have been effected my pathogen early before mass passing.
Also while you say the 91 has plenty of everything, my buddy who has had it for 20 years has told me DEFINITELY is not the same as back then. Its still fantastic but he said its not as good. I suspect either its abnormal genetics or possible pure luck have shielded it from some of the perils of keepi g a cut of a annual flowering plant for a long time.
Oh hammer, yeah headband is supposed to be good actually many say as good as any chem and diesel and id guess likely a descendant but ive been told it was one of the leading fakes floating around the east coast and was ised to knock of all sorts of good shit until they realized why knock off if its as good?
The info i am providing is courtesy of the holder who gave me the bx seeds as well as a couple fill details, as mentioned jjs posts and theres a few other people who were very kind to fill in some of this for me as its pretty confusing. I live on the other side of north america and im a year older than the 91 so obviously i am not the originator of this info just passing it along.
The underdog is still out there. Just dont expect to see the real one around anywhere and if you do if its not old and tired its likely not real deal. Ill be happy to post pics. Theres more interest than i though and that makes it worth it for me. No ones asked to see a light dedicated to them yet but theres more than enough interest to post more pics.
If those pictures are not enough i can seek more. The rest of them have slices of my buddies property in them so i wont post that. Id love to see a pic of dans plant and see if it looks even close to the underdog but i suspect he might have headband or another more available knockoff that was passed as underdog by some unscrupulous asshole who put it on a path into his hands.
Fake or not i dont really care as long as dan likes smoking it thats what matters. Lame you cant make any real underdog s1 or shit with it but theres tons it the world. My buddy might release his work later until then though the real underdog is some kind of rare
CoCoSativas
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What does sloppy clubby buds mean?
Not trying to be a moron i just dont get it.
Pics of underdog/daywrecker/original diesel in my post above. Does what you know as that look like that?
Id be very interested if theres more udog cuts running around out there. I hope there is...
Hey coco, I think you got some freezer burn there in that first pic. Happens all the time with my half drank frappucinnos I try to save for later and then forget about.
The info you provided I'm sure is on point. If its a cut I'm really interested in I will do as much as possible before I do anything rash. Some cuts are not so easy to tell if fake. If the only thing that's off is the way she looks can be attributed to they way she way grown.
I would try a TC and see if that brings her vigor back.. But we are getting way off topic. So back to Chem 91
I would try a TC and see if that brings her vigor back.. But we are getting way off topic. So back to Chem 91
CoCoSativas
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Im indoor only those arent my pics thats the original udog cut grown by the long time holder not me. I cant get freeze burns lol.
I think the point of that pic was to show how tough she is
