91'chemdog

[Piff Rhys Jones]

After seeing how the 91 VA cut grows and seeing how Original Diesel grows I think they're right, Sour was 91 Chem x DNL as opposed to Original Diesel x DNL. Original Diesel doesn't have the little turned down single blade leaflets that appear between the calyxes that both the 91 and Sour have. And JJ acknowledges that the sativa traits of the Sour most likely come from DNL and that Weasel was growing DNL in the same room as the 91.

Peace

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

Also in a later show I think AJ says he was with Weasel when he went to dam and scored the Sensi NL he used to make Original Diesel and that the Sour was found almost immediately after this trip, so it couldn't have come from OD. Something like that.

Peace

 

[Fly by Night]

It's diesel, chemmy and straight outta NY. The predominant trait was a very high price

 

[shishkaboy]

It's diesel, chemmy and straight outta NY. The predominant trait was a very high price

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I am from ny, never had the original diesel, sour diesel or ecsd cuts but I think I can tell the difference from what I have smoked and the descriptions. I listened to the adam dunn show and noticed a hesitation when the convo got to that part. Jokes were made, and it was kinda laughed off unanswered. One can safely assume that there must me more to the story. I read through the 91 chem thread by good ole dog and found a huge discrepancy with the story. I think the 91 was lost for a while and either s1's or crosses were used in place, as the original 91. Then it was found again, which led to there being 2 different 91 chem cuts. It is my theory that this is why the skunk va cut (from Good ole dog) is considered the real 91 chem.

This is just the speculations of a ny smoker that has been looking for the dank for years. From all the information that I have dug up, this is what I think happened.

 

[mack 10]

Sounds fesable shish. Defiantly more to this story.

@fly by, oh wee! You always rock that sour so hard.
Love it.

I've also heard JJ mention that both the orig diesel and sour came from weasels room
But then no one is sure what it Is.
For sure dnl is in the sour, the look of it is unmistakable.

 

[TPFTFW]

Also the original diesel is not the OD aka daywrecker everyone says they have now..

The original diesel is in very few hands from my understanding and the chem family may not even have it anymore.. It's not anything like the daywrecker cut that gets passed around

Just a little morsel to add to the confusion..

 

[mack 10]

Is head band the same strain as day wrecker?
Aka diesel #1.

Getting confusing ay?

 

[mellowfellow]

Was Cobcoops 91 legit?.

I'd also like to know the answer to this question.
I've also got some of CannaRado's cobschem (chem 91 skunk va x reversed white) and CurbsideService's skunk valley haze (chem 91 skunk va x tom hill's haze). Which I think is originally from Tierro Rojo. Also have some uberdawg (chem d x chem 91 skunk va) from Jimmynitz aka Pisces genetics.
Would these also be legit?

 

[shishkaboy]

Also the original diesel is not the OD aka daywrecker everyone says they have now..

The original diesel is in very few hands from my understanding and the chem family may not even have it anymore.. It's not anything like the daywrecker cut that gets passed around

Just a little morsel to add to the confusion..

^^^Yep I think so too. A few mainstream breeders have the original 91 cut. So I would imagine the chem fam could get it back anytime. But they dont use it anymore, I wonder why.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

The same people have held down the real 91 on the west coast since 1995 when they came out here... They brought the cuts with them and even use them to breed new winners with.. They have multiple cup wins with different genetics like chemscout and this is the shit and strawberry loud cake silverback og

 

[mack 10]

So the plot thickens... Was in church on Sunday (Hash Church of course!)
And Asswhole Joe himself comes on.
He talks about the origin of the Sour and mentions selling it for 1500 bucks an Oz!
Yeah an Oz.
He had Chem 91, Super skunk ,Nl#5 and Hawiian indica in the room,
One of them (ss, nl#5 or Hawaiian indica) hermed and pollinated the 91.
This was in late 93 or early 94.
Also he didn't know about the herm until one if his customers found a bag seed in his '91. Chem
Which he grew and eventually passed back to AJ in '94. He didn't say if that guy was the weasel?
And he (aj) thinks it was the super skunk which pollinated his '91 chem.
(sensi seeds super skunk he got from Amsterdam)

So some similar things but again different info to what we have been told before.
Aj never said nothing about the supposed original Diesel breeding project (or was thst weasels thing,?)if it existed at all.
And subsequent creation of the sour....no dnl,...
Kinda lol
Still love that '91 and sour Diesel funk though.

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

The mystery continues

 

[Terps]

i bet it was the hawaian indica..i read somewhere that when some hawaian locals tried sourD for the first time they were already familiar with the terpenes.

 

[mukuku]

diesel smell is on some pheno of sensi superskunk (around 1991-1993)

I grew superskunk for ten years !

 

[shishkaboy]

I would bet my left nut, if it was actually sold for 1500, it was called Sour Diesel. Everything in NY with a hint of fuel is called Sour Diesel.
I just made a test cross of Buddah tahoe og x Sensi Mr nice, a cross that I deemed as not a keeper. But still after being told its kush, it is still being called sour. Its so annoying.
I distinctly remember there was a sort of progression in the "sours".
But in order to really talk about when sour first appeared we need to mention its predecessor "haze".
The haze I was getting in NY was like incense, as soon as it was lit you knew that was haze. Straight citrus sativa. But a new "haze" emerged that was way more "kushy" and smelled like red grapefruit. I believed at that time and still today, that was Somas NYC Diesel I was getting and not "haze".
Around the same time a new "diesel" was getting some play in the Hispanic/Latino communities, I remember the song "gasoline" by Daddy Yankee being the anthem in NY.

I prolly wasnt connected enough to get the first batches, but I can give the run down on what hit the streets, in order.
At first it was sour but more like a puke "sour".
Then it was fuel but still very fruity "sour"
But the best "sour" is the one thats straight fuel and hints of fruity, IME.
I just run RP Sour D now, since aint no love in the heart of the city.

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

Jorge Cervantes wrote in 1999 that Diesel was a cross of Afghani and Mexican sativa.... Some southern Mexicans are sour so I see the possibilitys....

if sourD Is a mssxchem Cross why do they call it sourdiesel and not sour Chem....

In the cannabible 1 Jasons picture and desciption are way different than AJ's cut of SourD

Im not pickin any side or hating on anyone , , Just things I've noticed to thicken the plot

 

[shishkaboy]

No hate involved just digging for the truth,

Soma Seeds - NYC Diesel
Genetik: Mexican Sativa x Afghani
Indica: 40% / Sativa: 60%
Flowering: 10 - 12 weeks
Minimum yield: 25 grams

The N.Y.C Diesel has its roots in the Big Apple, a friend brought the seeds and said that it was the best pot he ever smoked, he had dreads down to the ground so I believed him. This Cannabis tastes and smells like Ripe Red Grap efruits, once you touch the fresh buds you can not smell the other strains in your room or garden. New York City Diesel will leave you an Exotic Taste, an Exotic Smell and an Exotic High.

What I believe to be NYC diesel is so far different than any of the "sours" it was originally called "haze".

 

[mack 10]

He was asked about the mass super skunk but they seemed a bit unsure.
But said it was not mass but sensi seeds super skunk.

So let's think back,
First Chem finds the 91 from Dog bud bagseed.
Then somewhere around 93-94 Good ol dog/Skunk VA
Meets Chemdog and they trade mass super for '91
.At the same time the Sour is created.

So I wonder if they mixed up the mass and super skunk
Or they got one type and claimed it as another?

I wonder if the Hermie trait ( in the sour) comes from the 91 or
The later added super skunk/ nl#5/Hawaiian indica.

Also seems odd that both AJ and JJ's versions of sour linage are the
Same but diff.
Both mention skunk, nl and a Hawaiian ( Dnl or Hawaiian indica)
Just of differering parentage.

I need a link to those rich circles...dam $1500 Oz's..

 

[shishkaboy]

I need a link to those rich circles...dam $1500 Oz's..

True story... The best "sour" I was getting was from some rapper peeps in the city. This dude always had more than one kind, but they were all "sour". He always knew I didnt really care about the price I just wanted the rawest one. He would sell like a .3-.4 for $30. Eventually it rounded out to like $20 for a .4-.5, that dude was getting like over $1000 per.

 

[mack 10]

0.3 for $30 ! Wow, that's a high price. 20 for half gram is better but still up there.