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7 Crosses of Sherb Cream Pie

als_weed

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Jan 2 Update

Here’s our girls:

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We have roots!

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Almost all our girls have at least root bumps. I plan to let these grow out for a week before bumping the nutes and making decisions.

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al
 

Creeperpark

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als_weed

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Those look really good al. What are you giving them now before you start your nutrients?
They start with Setup Sauce:


and transition to Veg when they have nice roots:


Thanx for your interest!

-al
 

als_weed

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Jan 11 Update

There Can Be Only One!

Here’s our cuttings:

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Now it’s time to pick the best and chuck the rest. Only 2 of the 39 individuals look like they won’t make the show. I will include them in a future round up grow for sure. All of the original moms look like they will survive another 4 months, so we won’t be using the extras to plant backups.

The winners:

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Root Porn:

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All the girls now have a little more space to grow out. I will move them to the next cloners in line as we figure out who will be in the first wave to go to bloom.

As always, your questions and comments are welcome.

-al
 

als_weed

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Next Stage

Everyone is now in the 64s, planted a checkerboard pattern. I have cleaned up the bottoms and everyone is lined up under the lights.

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Now they veg out for 3 weeks to get ready for the bloom room.
I plan on sending 2 waves of 24 plants to the bloom room. This is crowding 6 more plants per unit, so the less branchy, the better. I will continue to skirt trim and keep the active shoot number down to 3 to help push them.

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al
 

als_weed

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To the Bloom Room!

Here are the girls in the cloners on plant day:

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The 24 largest of all the plants are selected for the first wave. We have a total of 53 survivors from the fire to bloom out, 39 of which are the Sherb Cream Pies in this study.

Here is the top sheet of the data pack, showing the location of each individual:
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Here is the first wave freshly planted on day 0:

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Notice that each plant has an ID tag. This gives us positive identification and traceability back to the original mom plant. Between the location sheet and tag, we have a double check to make sure there is no confusion. A mistake here can be very costly, so every preventative method is employed.

Here are the girls after 2 days:

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Everyone perked and oriented nicely. The canopy is pretty even. I put the hyper vigorous ones in the corners.

Canopy Shot:

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One of our big girls:

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This is Gran Dawgy Cream Pie #1. ((Gran Daddy Purple x Chem Dog) x (Sherb x Cream Pie))

These genes give us a very nice mix of old school and new. Her number tells us that she was the most vigorous plant among her 7 sisters from seed in veg. As a clone she has far surpassed almost all 53 of the other test subjects.

Looks like a jungle queen and I’m so excited to see what she can do. She has her mother's leaves and stem coloration. Just can’t wait to see if she develops her mom's nail salon stank in bloom as well.

Original moms:

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Our original seedlings are close to a year old and still in 1 quart cups. They required yet another haircut and just need to hang on for another 3 months as their clones are bloomed out.

Organic teas spiked with over 50 stains of beneficial bacteria and fungi let me get away with this cruelty.

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al
 
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als_weed

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As you can see, the GRF forum is no more. This thread, along with several of my other grow threads have been transferred here. I’m so thankful they weren’t consigned to oblivion. I try to make informative useful threads and it would have hurt to lose them. Thanx ICMag.

As for GRF.
They ghosted me after the fire. They shut down one location and I don’t know about the other. The CEO and my contact retired. Since then – crickets.

So I’m back to my old name and working hard on getting my life and life’s work even better than before the fire.

You can watch me max out both dirt and aeroponic methods here:


As for what’s next here on ICMag – A lot depends on what we find in this experiment.

I’m considering the boutique breeder forums for my own forum. But need something worthy to promote in order to offset the cost.

Hope we find some winners!

-al

Thanx! and on with the update . . .



3-4-24 Update - 2 Weeks Bloom

Unit:

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They have hit their stride as stretch begins in earnest. I have been pruning pretty aggressively, as we have crowded an extra 6 plants in.

Data:

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The plants have been feeding almost every day. The circled s shows when they got a dose of al’s Super Feed N Kill Foliar Spray.

Canopy:

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The canopy is even and about maxxed out. The girls are touchdowning and a vibrant green that advertises their happiness.

GDCP1:

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I’ve been pinching her a lot and got her strapped up. Gonna be a wild ride!

The plan is to get through the next 2 weeks of stretch with a lot of pruning, pinching, and training. We need to get a decent result from all 24 plants. So less side branches and more pinching to concentrate on a single cola.

As always, your questions and comments are welcome.

-al
 

als_weed

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3-11-24 Update

Unit 2 – 21 Days Bloom

Unit:

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Lots of growth in the last week. The stretch has another 10 days or so and I expect to get another foot of height. I am reluctantly raising the light a little early. I don’t want to leave the shorter girls behind and the overall canopy will be fine.

Data:

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I have been pruning and pinching every few days and the girls have been ravenous! Eating every day is a good sign for sure. We are building very solid foundations that could lead to excellent buds.

Canopy:

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Everyone looks like they have their space in the light. We are on course to get samples of all participants.

Pinch N Train:

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Here you can see some of the pinching and training on GDCP1.

We are 3 weeks away from launching part 2 of this experiment to the bloom room. I have reserved Unit 5 to run the next 24 unknown individuals. I want them as large as possible, since this is everybody’s One Shot Baby!

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al
 

als_weed

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4/6/24 Update

Unit 2:

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The buds are starting to fill out and develop trichs, oils, and aromas.

Bud:

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Reeky Sweet!

Unit 5 Layout:

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Unit 5:

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These are the next 24 unknowns at 3 days bloom. Everyone has reoriented and recovered. This batch has the slowest half of plants in the experiment and got a full month of extra veg over those in unit 2. Overall vigor is important, but a touch slower is not a disqualifying trait.

Happy plant:

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We have lots of fresh plants getting ready to touchdown. It’s just so gratifying to see all the survivors from the fire make it to the bloom room. I couldn’t have done it without the support of my great team.

Thank you all so much.

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al
 

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als_weed

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5/9 Update

We are half way to having finished bud for all of our participants. Let me bring you up to speed.

Here’s the first half right before the chop:

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WAGP6 sitting pretty in the corner:

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WAGP1 dominates in the super triched corner:

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GDCP1 makes a lot of herself:

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WAGP1 has an extra layer of trichs on a big vigorous purple plant.

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Here’s the second unit with 24 more individuals to bloom out:

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Some happy plants:

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Here’s a short video update:



Notes during the chop:

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Lotta smoke tests to do!

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First round of tests and results are next.

-al
 

als_weed

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Part 2 Chop Time!

Unit 5 has our second round of 24 unknowns, most of whom are the crosses from this experiment.

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A short video of these plants:




Part 1 Results

We got a handful of worthy players: WAGP1, GDCP2, and GSCP4 are the leading contenders, while GDCP1, WAGP3, WAGP4, and WAGP6 warrant one more chance.

I may have found a special plant. WAGP1 has many characteristics that would make it desirable: large and vigorous, purple with medium sized trich dipped buds. She has a danky mello OG aroma that shows off her Biker Weed roots, but with a level of sophistication.

But the buzz.

The best reaction I got from judges was Holy Shit! and then later HOLY SHIT!

You see this weed smacks you in the head from the very first toke. As you blow out the first smoke, your head deflates in a wave of relaxation while your entire face begins to freeze. Your brain questions your ego if that really happened, and requires a confirmation puff that pulls you even higher. This happens a few times and the warm vibe envelopes you. Movement is fun, but requires you to strap on moonboots and a steady arm.

But the best thing is that you keep getting more of the same effect for 20 minutes AFTER you are done smoking. The creeper effect is strong enough to be alarming, so I can’t imagine what it would do to a noob. Should you decide to roll again, subsequent joints do not just maintain your altitude, but send you even higher.

As long time heads, my judges were in disbelief that this was unadulterated bud. A truly wonderful experience. Social fun, gaming & music enhancement, mental cleanse, and pain relief all rolled up in one – literally!

So . . . White Angel x Sherb Cream Pie = ?

Angel Cream Pie – REALLY gives you wings!

So now we have to regrow it for confirmation. If it isn’t repeatable, it’s useless. Science and all, so you can believe I have cloned the original mom into a nubbin. The largest ones are now almost a foot tall and will hit the bloom room in a month or so. I plan on sending clones to folks in my network to test in different media after my regrow.

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As a plant matures, it changes most rapidly in the first 6 months. So a clone taken from a seedling a few weeks old will differ from one taken 6 months later. Most of the differences I find to be in flavor and aromas. The buzz can improve a little, but normally doesn’t tail off till years later.

Since all of these plants are survivors from last year’s fire, they should be matured out, meaning it should grow out the same.

Been so excited about this plant, anything else usable from this experiment is just bonus!

Bonus Other Stuff!

GDCP2 is the other stand out from the first round. She’s a medium tall silver spike that smells of strawberries and gasoline while growing. Loud and fruity taste with a hint of evil. Happy mental gaming and music buzz with super warm fuzzy earmuff effect that is intense and long lasting. The original mom died, but I was able to get cuttings and rooted a bud for good measure!

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GSCP4 is a fruity gassy delight that got 3rd place in the grow, but will certainly be many growers very best soon, as it is vigorous and yields well. Enhances all the senses. Food and conversation with sharpened concentration and perception. Music and movement feel great. This will be a top shelf dispensary weed.
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The odds are long to find this high of quality plants for sure. But remember the parents are all outcrosses and the most vigorous went first in this experiment. So we have genes selected for at least 25 years from different branches of the weed family tree combined together for a giant shot of hybrid vigor.

All of the viable sisters of WAGP1 are interesting on their own, but are stepped down variations of their big sister. I plan on giving them one more shot in the bloom room. GDCP1 is a larger, watered down version of GDCP2. She will get one more go as well.

Meanwhile, the 3 winners were all upotted to 2 quart containers while everyone else stays in 1 quart cups until their fate is decided.

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As always, your questions and comments are welcome.

-al
 

Creeperpark

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Part 2 Chop Time!

Unit 5 has our second round of 24 unknowns, most of whom are the crosses from this experiment.

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A short video of these plants:




Part 1 Results

We got a handful of worthy players: WAGP1, GDCP2, and GSCP4 are the leading contenders, while GDCP1, WAGP3, WAGP4, and WAGP6 warrant one more chance.

I may have found a special plant. WAGP1 has many characteristics that would make it desirable: large and vigorous, purple with medium sized trich dipped buds. She has a danky mello OG aroma that shows off her Biker Weed roots, but with a level of sophistication.

But the buzz.

The best reaction I got from judges was Holy Shit! and then later HOLY SHIT!

You see this weed smacks you in the head from the very first toke. As you blow out the first smoke, your head deflates in a wave of relaxation while your entire face begins to freeze. Your brain questions your ego if that really happened, and requires a confirmation puff that pulls you even higher. This happens a few times and the warm vibe envelopes you. Movement is fun, but requires you to strap on moonboots and a steady arm.

But the best thing is that you keep getting more of the same effect for 20 minutes AFTER you are done smoking. The creeper effect is strong enough to be alarming, so I can’t imagine what it would do to a noob. Should you decide to roll again, subsequent joints do not just maintain your altitude, but send you even higher.

As long time heads, my judges were in disbelief that this was unadulterated bud. A truly wonderful experience. Social fun, gaming & music enhancement, mental cleanse, and pain relief all rolled up in one – literally!

So . . . White Angel x Sherb Cream Pie = ?

Angel Cream Pie – REALLY gives you wings!

So now we have to regrow it for confirmation. If it isn’t repeatable, it’s useless. Science and all, so you can believe I have cloned the original mom into a nubbin. The largest ones are now almost a foot tall and will hit the bloom room in a month or so. I plan on sending clones to folks in my network to test in different media after my regrow.

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As a plant matures, it changes most rapidly in the first 6 months. So a clone taken from a seedling a few weeks old will differ from one taken 6 months later. Most of the differences I find to be in flavor and aromas. The buzz can improve a little, but normally doesn’t tail off till years later.

Since all of these plants are survivors from last year’s fire, they should be matured out, meaning it should grow out the same.

Been so excited about this plant, anything else usable from this experiment is just bonus!

Bonus Other Stuff!

GDCP2 is the other stand out from the first round. She’s a medium tall silver spike that smells of strawberries and gasoline while growing. Loud and fruity taste with a hint of evil. Happy mental gaming and music buzz with super warm fuzzy earmuff effect that is intense and long lasting. The original mom died, but I was able to get cuttings and rooted a bud for good measure!

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GSCP4 is a fruity gassy delight that got 3rd place in the grow, but will certainly be many growers very best soon, as it is vigorous and yields well. Enhances all the senses. Food and conversation with sharpened concentration and perception. Music and movement feel great. This will be a top shelf dispensary weed.
---
The odds are long to find this high of quality plants for sure. But remember the parents are all outcrosses and the most vigorous went first in this experiment. So we have genes selected for at least 25 years from different branches of the weed family tree combined together for a giant shot of hybrid vigor.

All of the viable sisters of WAGP1 are interesting on their own, but are stepped down variations of their big sister. I plan on giving them one more shot in the bloom room. GDCP1 is a larger, watered down version of GDCP2. She will get one more go as well.

Meanwhile, the 3 winners were all upotted to 2 quart containers while everyone else stays in 1 quart cups until their fate is decided.

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As always, your questions and comments are welcome.

-al

Do the cups in the bottom photo only get teas or do you feed the cups fertilizer?
 

als_weed

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Do the cups in the bottom photo only get teas or do you feed the cups fertilizer?
Everything in dirt lives only on Veg tea. This is what let's me keep plants in 1 quart cups for over a year.

All the cloners you see use synthetic base nutes, but are supplemented by Aero tea.

I have also formulated Bloom tea for use in soils.

Here's a current Pic from the Dirt Room:

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All the recipes can be found in my threads and videos.

Thank you for your interest.

-al
 

als_weed

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The Grow Off and Verification Begins!

Here’s the layout of all the participants:

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Here’s the Key for my shorthand and why they are in the study:

WAGP1 – Angel Cream Pie #1 – We have a whole row for a reason. We think this is an extremely rare plant with a buzz profile off the charts. 20-30 minute extreme creeper wings, pain relief, along with a full icy helmet head from just 3 puffs. We had over 20 different tester judges blown up, up, and away with her raw power. I’m so excited to find out if this is repeatable, cause I have cloners full of her ready if she can show me.

WAGP3 – Angel Cream Pie #3 – Number 1’s best sister. Not as vigorous or powerful, but would be many growers' number one. Has great flavor, with only moderate wings, but still smacks the head. This is her chance to impress, otherwise I will pass her on.

SBCT – Sherb Cream Truffle – She’s the best of 7 from when I bred Sherb Cream Pie to Black Truffle. She was good enough to convince me that Sherb Cream Pie would be a great universal male. That is how this whole experiment and thread began!

GDCP2 – Gran Dawgy Cream Pie #2 – She is Gran Dawgy Purps x Sherb Cream Pie. A special plant that smells like strawberries and gasoline while growing. The finished bud is super berry with a touch of gas. The buzz is a warm headband. Creative, gameplaying, and music weed for sure!

DKSH – Double Crush – An old tymey weed from a Colorado friend. She needs a long veg time, so with an extra month of veg, this is her chance to shine.

SBCP – Sherb Cream Pie – The Daddy to the experimental participants. A medium sized purple bush that is a delight to smoke. Strong, spicy smoke that smacks your face. She was my universal male for a reason.

WAGL – White Angel – I created her over a decade ago by crossing Hell’s Angels Kush x Krome’s The White. The acrid nearly unsmokable biker weed was tamed with The White’s creamy flavor, extra sparkle, and undeniable power. The resulting bud is a potent, pain relieving, beautiful weed that is very flavorful, but is still very smooth and smokable. This is very important to many patients that need relief, but simply can’t tolerate intense coughing that most strong weeds induce. She is the mother of the WAGP sisters.

BRLC - Black Rock Lava Cake – Not your normal Lava Cake, this girl darkens up to near black with a generous slathering of trichs. Beautiful, tasty and powerful – A universal favorite that I use as a standard to judge other weeds.

GDCP1 – Gran Dawgy Cream Pie #1 – A giant vigorous version of GDCP2. It’s a watered down version of her sister, just produces 4 times as much! This is her chance to show me something, cause less buzz doesn’t hang around here, no matter the production.

PRMI – Pure Michigan – A plant I have been growing for some time. I took my most famous pic of her a couple years ago. She brought me plenty of attention, so I thought I would repay her with a spot in this grow.

Unit freshly planted:

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And perked up on day 1:

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Here’s a short video kicking off the experiment:



As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al
 

Creeperpark

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Veteran
The Grow Off and Verification Begins!

Here’s the layout of all the participants:

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Here’s the Key for my shorthand and why they are in the study:

WAGP1 – Angel Cream Pie #1 – We have a whole row for a reason. We think this is an extremely rare plant with a buzz profile off the charts. 20-30 minute extreme creeper wings, pain relief, along with a full icy helmet head from just 3 puffs. We had over 20 different tester judges blown up, up, and away with her raw power. I’m so excited to find out if this is repeatable, cause I have cloners full of her ready if she can show me.

WAGP3 – Angel Cream Pie #3 – Number 1’s best sister. Not as vigorous or powerful, but would be many growers' number one. Has great flavor, with only moderate wings, but still smacks the head. This is her chance to impress, otherwise I will pass her on.

SBCT – Sherb Cream Truffle – She’s the best of 7 from when I bred Sherb Cream Pie to Black Truffle. She was good enough to convince me that Sherb Cream Pie would be a great universal male. That is how this whole experiment and thread began!

GDCP2 – Gran Dawgy Cream Pie #2 – She is Gran Dawgy Purps x Sherb Cream Pie. A special plant that smells like strawberries and gasoline while growing. The finished bud is super berry with a touch of gas. The buzz is a warm headband. Creative, gameplaying, and music weed for sure!

DKSH – Double Crush – An old tymey weed from a Colorado friend. She needs a long veg time, so with an extra month of veg, this is her chance to shine.

SBCP – Sherb Cream Pie – The Daddy to the experimental participants. A medium sized purple bush that is a delight to smoke. Strong, spicy smoke that smacks your face. She was my universal male for a reason.

WAGL – White Angel – I created her over a decade ago by crossing Hell’s Angels Kush x Krome’s The White. The acrid nearly unsmokable biker weed was tamed with The White’s creamy flavor, extra sparkle, and undeniable power. The resulting bud is a potent, pain relieving, beautiful weed that is very flavorful, but is still very smooth and smokable. This is very important to many patients that need relief, but simply can’t tolerate intense coughing that most strong weeds induce. She is the mother of the WAGP sisters.

BRLC - Black Rock Lava Cake – Not your normal Lava Cake, this girl darkens up to near black with a generous slathering of trichs. Beautiful, tasty and powerful – A universal favorite that I use as a standard to judge other weeds.

GDCP1 – Gran Dawgy Cream Pie #1 – A giant vigorous version of GDCP2. It’s a watered down version of her sister, just produces 4 times as much! This is her chance to show me something, cause less buzz doesn’t hang around here, no matter the production.

PRMI – Pure Michigan – A plant I have been growing for some time. I took my most famous pic of her a couple years ago. She brought me plenty of attention, so I thought I would repay her with a spot in this grow.

Unit freshly planted:

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And perked up on day 1:

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Here’s a short video kicking off the experiment:



As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al

Cool video al. Thank you.
 

NEED 4 SEED

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Cloner Update

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We have roots for almost all individuals. I’ll take back up cuttings soon after the dead or alive roundup for anyone still not rooted.

One of the main reasons I take 3 cuttings as opposed to just cloning the top, is getting everyone rooted at once. I want head to head data, and running stragglers is not acceptable. I plan on sending 2 waves of 20, 2 weeks apart to the bloom room.

The center top has different hormones than the side branches. You can see this happening in this pic:

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This is very common. The center top normally takes longer to root. This makes them more susceptible to attack, even while running beneficials.

Extra rooted cuttings can be used to replace the original mom if she is too distressed in her cup. I always like options and sending the best possible representative to the bloom room.

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al
I don't bother anymore to try to root the top cutting. Too much of hit and miss. Actually, in 1996 when I started a first serious grow I tried myself in cloning and I used a top cutting and it failed and made me believe it's not working for me. So the next cut I took was in 2012, lol...
 

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