Yes I agree.hey...
always interested in real side by side research... so far they look quite the same?
I’m using a leader pump. I think it’s the 110. I’m also using the plum colored netafim 3.2 gph drippers with regular black stakes.
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bs0
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Lil followup on the root porn -
Anyone wanting to copy the results he gets, make sure to follow directions exactly. Hormex forms a sick amount of root calluses on your clones but blocks them from making real roots. If you leave the hormex past day 7 you will not get clones, you will get insane calluses. I know this because I am a scientist and not because I didn't follow the directions of course. I would always have followed the directions.
Dr.NO
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I'm in the middle of replicating this cloning method; and you're right. I did seven days with the hormex, clonex and clear rez. Not much was going on. I switched over to the clonex and clear rez yesterday and roots were protruding within 24 hours. Not bad for my first aerocloning experience.
I'm wondering if the week with hormex could be cut to expedite the rooting process?
Thanks for all the info Eric! I'm excited to see these pearly white tentacles reach!
bs0
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I'm not the OP but I'll say this-
The week of hormex made the most dense, powerful roots I've ever seen on an aeroclone after 14 days. You will not find pictures like OP posted anywhere. Normally for me in aerocloner I get a handful of wiggly branching roots after 10-14 days. Nothing like the insane porkeypine amazingness that OP posted.
What I wonder is - maybe the week of hormex could be eliminated with soaking your clones in hormex overnight before going into the machine? I guess the only way to find out is to test - I'll do that my next clone run.
Biologist
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I tried this by accident because I had some clones in the cloner that weren't as old as the others and needed to switch it for the others. The ones that got less than a week of Hormex had much less robust roots form.
Biologist
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Eric can you give some insight into what gains you saw when you started defoliating like you do? I know you used to lollipop and that's what I do currently. It's hard for me to make myself defoliate, even though I know it is probably best. I'm also a small grower so it would take a lot of time for my small crew to remove every fan leaf on all our plants. What did you notice when you switched to it? Percent yield increase? Any changes to THC and terpene levels?
Honestly at my newest location I’ve always defoliated. Afew things of noticed though: better bud development, you dont get Larfy undergrowth. Better light penetration. I feel like it does increase yield in most strains. Mostly for me it’s peace of mind. Have you ever walked through your bloom room and the canopy is so thick you wonder what your missing? In the past I’ve dealt with some pm I absolutely couldn’t get rid of. It lasted 2 years until I finally sold the location and found a new one where I brought in clean clones. Also, when you remove all that foliage you have better humidity control. So at this point I’m scared to not defoliate. Just start out slow and see what your plants think. Shoot for day 21 and 42.
In total those plants are 4 weeks in veg. 3 weeks under the LED. Sorry for the confusion. Also, the first pic has the clones in beer cups. They preveg for 1-2 weeks before they go into 5 gallon pots to officially start their 4 week veg. Some guys might count clones in cups as veg, I personally don’t.
On flip day we prune about halfway up the plant and take tops for clones. Day 21 we prune halfway up again and defoliate. Day 42 just defoliate. It’s now taking one person 12-15 hours for a defoliation. That person is a beast btw, I can’t take the credit lol.
Hello Eric
How much price increase switching to LED from HID ? Old-fashioned high pressure sodium is what I run but I’m curious everybody else is switching over to LED for a reason
mikeross
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Yup... I didn't notice the ones in beer cups. Either way... big girls considering how old they are.
Hi star crash, cost For nanolux 600 watt de is around $200 vs $800 for the growers choice roi 680. Hps uses 615 watts vs LED with 680 watts. My goal is to see a 30-35% increase in quantity and similar or better quality with these LEDs. So we ll see what happens.Hello Eric
GreenBizzle
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Hey Eric! I am 97 pages into "A question for the growers using Jacks 5-12-26"... i think u starting postin in there in 2017 lol I have also read all of this thread. I am wondering since I can't recal you mentioning:
What PH you are adjusting your rez to in veg and in flower? The same throughout? And when you do str8 molasses /Hi Brix feed what PH do you use?
What do you use to adjust your PH?
I have some Ice Cream Cake cuts (hoping they root shortly) that I am gonna run next round! Finishing up some THC Bomb with Jacks, they seemed to stall out drinking (i hand water dtw) when I swtiched to your formula round week 4 from mega crop....so I cut out the mpk?! they look "fine" i am not stressing but my run off is still, now in week 6, is 1980ppm/Ph 6 Should i be concerned!
Excited to dial in JACKS, and I couldnt remember reading what PH you use... Thank you! Love this thread , lotta great info.
What PH you are adjusting your rez to in veg and in flower? The same throughout? And when you do str8 molasses /Hi Brix feed what PH do you use?
What do you use to adjust your PH?
I have some Ice Cream Cake cuts (hoping they root shortly) that I am gonna run next round! Finishing up some THC Bomb with Jacks, they seemed to stall out drinking (i hand water dtw) when I swtiched to your formula round week 4 from mega crop....so I cut out the mpk?! they look "fine" i am not stressing but my run off is still, now in week 6, is 1980ppm/Ph 6 Should i be concerned!
Excited to dial in JACKS, and I couldnt remember reading what PH you use... Thank you! Love this thread , lotta great info.
username474
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Anyone know the brand of his AC unit? It hasn't been mentioned in the first 15 pages.
Nice I learned a lot from that thread. I actually don’t worry about ph while using Brix. I use advanced nutes ph up and down though. I keep it around 5.8-6.0. I found testing runoff isn’t super dependable. I played around with a soil meter for awhile and it didn’t match my runoff. If your plants look happy I d just flush once or twice a week with half strength to be safe. I start my mkp about day 10-14. Hope that helps.
I used Goodman initially but they sprung leaks. Now I have cheap concord units. They don’t leak tho, so that’s good. I do feel they have less cooling capacity even being rated 5 tons...
Hey, looks like you dropped your IG account. Wanted to say congratulations on your Class A approval, seen that while I was cruising the reports last night.
Junior Capsula
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Eric congrats on the transition. I think you’ll find the benefits of LED compared to HPS promising especially on the scale you grow. Canopy management is vital with LEDs as they lack the penetration which HPS have. I agree with you on the defoliation : pre flower, post stretch, and pre flush. Keep killing it brother!
mikeross
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@Eric... Did you get a new camera? Photos looking different... better quality/clearer.
You mentioned earlier feeding with Hi-Brix. What type of Microbes are you using, how often are they applied and do you have to feed the hi-brix at every feeding or just a weekly drench? thanks
You mentioned earlier feeding with Hi-Brix. What type of Microbes are you using, how often are they applied and do you have to feed the hi-brix at every feeding or just a weekly drench? thanks
