Lyfespan
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60 DE Nanolux 600 Coco DTW setup/grow
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nice reset, take a look at the perfect grower site, loving their nutes right now, and no shipping water
I’ve been seeing on insta a few ppl doing this. I might try it on just one plant to see how it does in my space.
On the first defol just before bloom, do you leave just 1 node of leaf at the top?
Thank you. I use the mkp made by Haifa. I buy the 50# bag it’s like $115 after shipping.
Doing more reading and one of my mistakes may also have been to use hot water for flushing and buffering my coco. I definitely steamed the hell out of it by adding 120 degree water to kill bug eggs as a preventative. Reading several papers and some good write-ups on canna site that said this can release nitrates which are poisonous and can inhibit N uptake.
Do you guys buffer? How?
Do you guys buffer? How?
Lyfespan
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i strip em clean before defol, as many leaves i can pull without taking nodes
I strip most large fan leaves on day 21 and 42. On day 21 I also prune all the lowers and clean the insides usually 1/2 way up. I don’t pay attention to the nodes really. It’s easy to get carried away so use caution. I also do a light pruning on flip, also that’s when I take cuts for the cloner.
I don’t. I buy charged Mother Earth coco. Use it straight out the bag. Are you liking the higher caltrate recipe 40 amps??
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Eric Ibechillins recipe is still going good but not perfection as they start to get a bit bigger seems. 4 things I do not like about my testers though before we blame mix.
1. No RO water yet 2 friggin weeks I have been waiting on RO unit cancelled it yesterday have to wait for refund to order again. However Blue Lab pens and Truncheon unit say 0 EC for my city water. Could there be anything in it messing things up?
2. I steamed the hell out of the coco and let it sit in 120 degree water for few hours. Covered this in last post. Nitrates may have been released as a result.
3. I put xL chunky perlite in the mix at 2/3 cups per half gallon. I will not be doing this again. I believe it completely unnecessary and throws watering times off.
4. I flushed and recharged my roots organic coco block with 120 ppm jacks.
2/3 of my plants (testing around 80 plants from seed currently) are perfect and the other suffer some small maladies.
These I consider passing health in my garden and I would flower them or feel safe if they were vegging mothers to take clones from. Very minor leaf issue and on older growth.
EDIT 1: I don't know wtf happened to the first pics they are perfect plants in real life after picture resize and upload it makes them look awful lol. Let me go try to take new picture and reupload so not so grainy making it look.
EDIT2: ok hopefully these turn out right:
1. No RO water yet 2 friggin weeks I have been waiting on RO unit cancelled it yesterday have to wait for refund to order again. However Blue Lab pens and Truncheon unit say 0 EC for my city water. Could there be anything in it messing things up?
2. I steamed the hell out of the coco and let it sit in 120 degree water for few hours. Covered this in last post. Nitrates may have been released as a result.
3. I put xL chunky perlite in the mix at 2/3 cups per half gallon. I will not be doing this again. I believe it completely unnecessary and throws watering times off.
4. I flushed and recharged my roots organic coco block with 120 ppm jacks.
2/3 of my plants (testing around 80 plants from seed currently) are perfect and the other suffer some small maladies.
These I consider passing health in my garden and I would flower them or feel safe if they were vegging mothers to take clones from. Very minor leaf issue and on older growth.
EDIT 1: I don't know wtf happened to the first pics they are perfect plants in real life after picture resize and upload it makes them look awful lol. Let me go try to take new picture and reupload so not so grainy making it look.
EDIT2: ok hopefully these turn out right:
These I do not like and do not pass my standards in my garden. Next test round will be your recipe, which I previously ran short test but was not mixing by ppm, to see the difference.
The droopy, overwatered, whorled/wavy leaves that look like some sort of ph problem as well as something else do not pass in my garden. This is too erratic for me compared to my soil grows. I have to improve this before I can move on. Still way better than I was a few weeks ago though.
The droopy, overwatered, whorled/wavy leaves that look like some sort of ph problem as well as something else do not pass in my garden. This is too erratic for me compared to my soil grows. I have to improve this before I can move on. Still way better than I was a few weeks ago though.
Thanks 40 amps.
So I’ve seen this issue with my plants in early veg. It seems to start when I kick me lights to 100% power. It effects some strains more then others. I think it’s light stress of sorts but I don’t know. It does clear up and plants recover during stretch in flower. Sometimes it’s worse then others? Anyone seen this or even better know what causes this? Also nothing has been foliar sprayed.
So I’ve seen this issue with my plants in early veg. It seems to start when I kick me lights to 100% power. It effects some strains more then others. I think it’s light stress of sorts but I don’t know. It does clear up and plants recover during stretch in flower. Sometimes it’s worse then others? Anyone seen this or even better know what causes this? Also nothing has been foliar sprayed.
Yup definitely being seen by me too. Funny thing is I thought it was my lights too...I originally was running straight cobs. I started running half under hps and half under cobs and both have same issues on about 1/3 of the plants in veg. Mind you everything I am posting is cookies, OG, and Chemdog D crosses. The cookies oriented things always have few more plants not happy. The picture I show of the worst plant imo is forum x Chemdog. Really looks exactly like your issue. The other shorter stout bad one is Tahoe x Chemdog x stardawg. But again 2/3 are fine in each lot of 16-24 plants.
400-600 par tells me it isn't the lights especially when problem is seen under both. This is why I questioned coco prep methods...
Having very expensive and rare moms in my stock my veg really needs to be perfection. I question whether I should attempt canna a and b or gh 6/9 for veg and switch to Jack's in flower until this vegging with Jack's thing is figured out. Who knows if they will be any better though /shrug
Should we be using Jack's RO version of the same line?
PS half strength ibechillins mix on a batch of seedlings is looking pretty good for starter after baby leaves start to go pale.
400-600 par tells me it isn't the lights especially when problem is seen under both. This is why I questioned coco prep methods...
Having very expensive and rare moms in my stock my veg really needs to be perfection. I question whether I should attempt canna a and b or gh 6/9 for veg and switch to Jack's in flower until this vegging with Jack's thing is figured out. Who knows if they will be any better though /shrug
Should we be using Jack's RO version of the same line?
PS half strength ibechillins mix on a batch of seedlings is looking pretty good for starter after baby leaves start to go pale.
I personally think we have MG deficiencies, but why? I might try adding a pinch for few waterings.
You mentioned light intensity change. I see what I believe to be mg deficiency that gets worse as our plants grow taller and hit higher par. Maybe they are needing more than when small. Perhaps this is why Mr greengenes uses mg addition? I just think he adds too much. I am going to experiment...
You mentioned light intensity change. I see what I believe to be mg deficiency that gets worse as our plants grow taller and hit higher par. Maybe they are needing more than when small. Perhaps this is why Mr greengenes uses mg addition? I just think he adds too much. I am going to experiment...
I had this issue until flower this round with my headbanger. I severely unbalanced my ratio to no avail. Turn down the lights to 600 and bump up ppms and it got a lot better. Out under the floros they did great
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Here’s some thoughts. I’ve been running lower temps because the cloner has been in the veg room. It’s been low 70’s. I’ve been running wet/dry cycles but because of lower temps I’ve only had to water like twice in 2 weeks. So I’m gonna kick up the temps to 78 ish and start watering every other day, then every day the last week of veg. I’m gonna pop off the crappy leaves and see what happens. I figure I already know for a fact my nutes have everything my plants need so it’s something else like a combo of environmental factors or medium misbehaving.
Followed with some root porn lol
Orange kush mints have the best roots. Ice cream cake not so much.
Followed with some root porn lol
Orange kush mints have the best roots. Ice cream cake not so much.
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Those are bad ass roots
I was doing same thing and thought the same thing. Raised canopy temps to 81 for the set of test clones I posted pictures of. If it works for you I will be surprised.
I have a hunch it is not properly charged medium. I am going to follow some advice I was given and read in a thread recently by a well known member in coco community. I will have to find the link again it was a good read.
I purchased canna bricks to test for next test group. This is supposed to come already properly precharged. I am going follow the advice of precharging half of the clones coco with 100 ppm cal nit and 60 ppm mg. The other half will be used as is.
The paper I read I remember reading to use both and only those nutrients. Using broad spectrum wouldn't properly fill the cation sites. This causes mg to not be released properly later in the grow. Given this theory I chose to add 40 ppm of mg to Ibechillin recipe to see if it fixes things.
This is something I used to do with cal mag.
Lyfespan
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got to think of that plant like a car when you see shit like this happening. stock she is fine but, youve changed things so support for changes need to be made. cant run nos on a car with no bottom end. when i start increasing light intensity i also increase the feed EC. my leds really have put me to the test on this issue. with leds proximity becomes part of the feed equation
^ hey -- so I have just jumped back in the saddle after being out for a few years. I built my own LED lamps using Samsung LED boards, and I am starting to think that the intensity is just too high for my plants. They are at about 4 weeks from seed and they just are not as perky as I feel they should be.
I also did what 40Amps did in regards to prepping his coco. Ran super hot water through it until runoff was clear. I tried charging it myself with a low dose of nutes, but I am guessing I might have screwed up. I also was watering too much at the beginning in my solo cups, did not really give the seedlings time to spread their roots in search of water.
Seriously thanks to everyone posting in this thread. I have been getting a little discouraged and honestly coming back and checking in on everyone's comments on this one is giving me hope.
**edit - went to the local shop and ordered a bunch of the charged coco bags. I have always rehydrated cheap bricks of coco, which normally worked for me. Eric - do you do anything to treat the coco or just use it straight out of the bag?**
aod
I also did what 40Amps did in regards to prepping his coco. Ran super hot water through it until runoff was clear. I tried charging it myself with a low dose of nutes, but I am guessing I might have screwed up. I also was watering too much at the beginning in my solo cups, did not really give the seedlings time to spread their roots in search of water.
Seriously thanks to everyone posting in this thread. I have been getting a little discouraged and honestly coming back and checking in on everyone's comments on this one is giving me hope.
**edit - went to the local shop and ordered a bunch of the charged coco bags. I have always rehydrated cheap bricks of coco, which normally worked for me. Eric - do you do anything to treat the coco or just use it straight out of the bag?**
aod
