3000W SCROG inspired by the "Doc"

[LEDNewbie]

Whazzup - THANK YOU for the info. I will putting my hoods 'in the corner' and then having 2 pull down screens to cover the other 2 side. 1x2's or 2x2's and a couple small pulley's and cleats and I'll be in business.Oh man. I was in the same boat my first run, using Oakley's vs real glasses. I now use shade 5 welding goggles, or am very very careful to avoid looking at the hoods. Depending on what I'm doing, as it is a bit hard to see in the shade with the welding goggles.Even longer, but the success rate drops off badly. First 3 weeks in flower = good to go.

LED - Cloning process looks good. What soil did you use?

I used Miracle Grow Seedling Mix

 

[catalyte]

RomulusUSA:

yes it is possible after 3 weeks but not really worth the time and effort cause of the low rates as you said.

 

[whazzup]

IMO as a old school magnetic ballest user and in all honesty could never see myself purchasing a gavita i am very curious on the cost of one of them.
To my understanding being very high freq you just can't put a reg bulb in it which they would prob work ???? but light would not put out anywhere close and failures increase.So they got you hooked into buying there bulb how sweet huh???
now looking at there reflector again IMO its junk i am very curious on how deep the bulb sits in the mogel in it and how wide it is
Cause really my 20.00 cheap ass reflector i can bend it into a U giving me direct light point source of 8" but again it doesn;t give me the spread i want
one brand new ballest bulb reflector costs me 175.00 1000 watts
how much really is the Gavita 1000.00 / 1500 ????
Dam for that price i would have 5000 watts @ 1000.00 spending or or 8000 watts @ 1500 and can guarntee you would kill that 1 k gavita

Problem i see with Gavita is a stupid ass reflector for one and is there a glass in there ???
what a great way to lose more efficiency ??? if there is
now i can run my open ended 1k as close as 12" from tops but in reality if its 12" or 28" from tops there getting pretty much same intensity 1k's do not lose there intensity like 600's or less wattage as it goes higher So 18 - 28" from tops is pretty much ideal for 1k
Very curious to Gavitas recomended height to run them ????

I might have to send LED a new ballest and a hordilux superblue and maybe do a real comparison Cause so far in reality Gavita has shown me nothing to impressive that a 200.00 dollar ballast wouldn't duplicate

wow

There is a thread on this forum devoted to this fixture, the lamp and the electronics. It is 26 pages long. I am sure you will find a few answers there, and by searching for real life results presented by your peers on the fora.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Well, spent 3 hours last night cleaning up the undercarriage of my bitches Besides the sore back from bending over to do it. I actually found this part to be quite therapeutic

Looking very closely I believe I'm just starting to see some small white hairs starting to form. Let the fun begin!!!

Also noticed my Co2 bottle was down to 600 psi from I believe 1000 psi. So I'm assuming I have one day, maybe 2 days tops left with this bottle. Haven't decided yet if I will get a second bottle or not as with the increase in exaust cycles now a second bottle would probably only last about 1 - 1.5 weeks.....

 

[medicalmj]

RomulusUSA:

yes it is possible after 3 weeks but not really worth the time and effort cause of the low rates as you said.

And they're sure to revert to finger leaves after a couple weeks...that can be good or bad depending on your time frame etc..

 

[medicalmj]

IMO as a old school magnetic ballest user and in all honesty could never see myself purchasing a gavita i am very curious on the cost of one of them...Cause so far in reality Gavita has shown me nothing to impressive that a 200.00 dollar ballast wouldn't duplicate

I can get a complete 1k magnetic with bulb and hood for $200. They got plant max 1k replacement HPS for $37 OTD. I'm w doc I just can't see buyng anything else...but I'm old school too.

 

[whazzup]

Using just 4 fixtures you can grow as much as what you would normally produce under 5 air cooled ones. If you are limited in how much electricity you can even use that is a huge advantage. If you don't care about electricity costs you might as well just buy an extra lamp instead of using less Gavita fixtures.

But if you go for a $200 set it is probably not with the best lamp or reflector, so this difference would be even greater. Did you take a look at the output measurements we did in micromoles of popular lamps on the US market?

We try to optimize efficiency and output of our fixtures. Growing indoors in not a very "green" hobby anyways, better do it with some respect for nature if you don't do it for the money. If it would not be efficient I assure you the Dutch greenhouses would be hanging full with magnetic ballasts . then again they are not growing such a high value crop so the need to be much more efficient. You can maximize your crop or optimize your production process or do it all at the same time.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Well, just spent another 4 hour session with my girls redoing the strings, AGAIN!!!!!


Doc told me to get in there and spread them bitches apart even more. So went into my room straight after work and didn't come out till I was done Gotta say, the Doc was right, plants look much better now that they are spread out even more. Each bud site should be able to breath a bit better now. Also while I was in there I spent a little more time cleaning up the undercarriage. Undercarriage isn't 100% clean but I figure I'll give the plants a week to adjust so that I hopefully don't shock them into a crawling pace again!

Plants are definitely filling in my space allot better now. I'd say taking into account the few gaps there are between some plants, I probably have a solid 4x13 canopy now!! Mucho better. By the time stretch is done wouldn't doubt if I get a solid 4x15 canopy full of buds. Definitely more filled out than I originally thought it would be!!

Onto some pics, last pic you can just start seeing some hairs forming!!!!

 

[DrFever]

looks awesome buddy remember keep rotating them totes 1/4 turn every day or 2

 

[LEDNewbie]

Very exciting times!!!!! Amazing what 12 hours of darkness will do!! Checked on my girls this morning just as lights turned off. All looked well. Pretty much same as the above photos. Went to work. Came home just in time to give them a feed right before lights on. Open the door and to my amazement my bitches just blew up!!! All bud sites popped with flowers!!

Fucking bagged after a long day at work. I'll snap some pics tomorrow.

 

[RomulusUSA]

Your plants look great LED!

 

[RomulusUSA]

Crickets!

 

[LEDNewbie]

Sorry for the lack of updates, been crazy busy between work and my bitches. Good news is, it's been well over 2 weeks and not one gnat in site!! Bad news is, apparently I have some kind of mite!! My vegging plants weren't looking to shit hot. Showed Doc a pic and he figured mites. Cut a leaf off and had a look under neath and couldn't realy see anything. Pulled out my microscope and at the 60X setting I could see what looked like a opaque dot. Turned the microscope to the 100X setting and I almost jumped out of my skin when I saw a clear looking mite crawl across the screen!!!! I'm not sure if that is a spider mite or Broad mite??? Only way I can think of that I got those fuckers is from when I originally got my clones, I treated them with neem but maybe 1-2 survived??? I don't see any obvious signs of mite damage on my flowering girls but I'm sure if I have them in my veg room, they are in my flower room!!!

In total disgust I decided to completely clean my veg room and flower room this past weekend!! Saturday I only had time to clean the veg room and everything in it. Pulled vegging plants out and put them in the garage and sprayed them. I released a Pyrethium Bomb in the flower room and the left the door open so the fumes would go into the veg room as well. Then Sunday went at it all day in the flower room!!! Wiped all walls, floors and equipment with a 50/50 mix of water and bleach!!! Wiped the outside of all my totes with the bleach and sprayed all my plants with a heavy dose of Bug B Gone. All I smelt was Bleach for 2 days after!!! And I even used a respirator on Sunday!! Fuck did my lungs burn from Saturday!! Then on Monday for about 2 hours before the lights went on I cranked my Co2 up to about 9500ppm.... So I attacked my rooms from a few different angles!!! Bleach, bug spray, Pyrethium Bomb and Co2!!!

Sprayed my flowering girls yesterday morning again and plan on spraying them again on Sunday morning. I'll see how plants look after Sundays spray job but thinking that will have to be my last spray since I'll be into week 4 of flowering??? If I'm gunna try and get them beat I gotta hit them hard now before I get any later into flowering. I noticed the Bug B Gone browned up some of my pistols but not much I can do.

Today is end of week 3 I believe. I decided to Defoliate the shit out of my girls tonight that way when I go to spray them again this weekend it should make my job of spraying the underside of each leaf allot easier not to mention it should help reassure me that I got under each leaf. Plants were jam packed with foliage before tonight. Should have taken a pic before! Must have plucked off over 5 pounds of leaf!!!

Think I will get some Floramite or Forbid to treat my next plants before the next run to be 100% sure I'm rid of this little fuckers!!!

Just a few pics after tonights 4 hours session!!!







As you can see in this pic some browning of the pistols from the Bug B Gone

 

[medicalmj]

For next run get pylon instead, there is no better. Sure it's $400 a pint but that will last the itself rest of your life and for sure will pay for itself 10x first run!
For this run you might consider mighty wash and and essential oil like sns 217 or ed's zero tolerance. Both can be used well into flower.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Thanks med. is pylon 100% effective on mites? Is it systemic at all?? Like does it kill adults and eggs like floramite?

Ill look into those other couple products you mentioned. I know Doc recommended bug b gone to me and my buddy swear by bug b gone. Said at half dosage sprayed once a week has cured all his bug problems he was having. Said he hasn't had any bugs in over a year. And it can used up till day of harvest.

 

[medicalmj]

Pylon is not technically a systemic rather it is a translaminar. It was developed as a miticide for commercial greenhouses but is also effective against other pests. It is one of a few that are esp. effective against broad and cyclamen mites. No it is not a ovicide however. And from I can tell most ovicides, like the hexygon I have and don't use, are for ornamentals.

 

[LEDNewbie]

So pylon would need to be used a few times 3-4 days apart to rid if all mites then? That's why I'm thinking floramite. It's supposedly lasts 28 days and kills mites and its eggs???

 

[willyweed]

nice looking setup hope you get those mites out asap

 

[medicalmj]

Note: "Apply only one application of FLORAMITE SC before rotating to products of an alternative chemical class. Use at least two alternative products between treatments of FLORAMITE SC.Do not make more than two (2) applications of FLORAMITE SC per crop per year"

Not understanding modes of action and good IPM strategy is why we have super mites among ganga growers. And it does not list broads or cylamen, which I think you said you had? Hope they're just spidermites.

 

[medicalmj]

NOTE: It is not effective against rust
mites, broad mites..."