3 diffrent coco methods at once!!

[Guest]

damn....glad I use a 1 part fert like botanicares CNS 17. Ain't gotta worry about all that mixing and measuring.

My advice? flush em out 3x water to pot size, and renute them with just the canna a +b. maybe the calmag. The canna a + b don't include calmag?.

Start with the flush, renute them, and we'll see what happens. I use 1/2 teaspoon CNS17 to 1 gallon of water along with 1 tsp hygrozyme. Think that's like 2.5 ml CNS17 and 5 ml hygrozyme.

My gut instinct is you're overfeeding them throwing all that stuff at em at once. I ain't an expert, but I fail to see the need.

 

[JITAMON]

i did just that yesterday and this morning already. i need to get posting pics so you guys can relate better. wanna know what my guys said when i asked them about cns-17 they dissed it so i know it must work.not enough markup i guess.lol.recommended canna and advanced.lol mark up must be nice! i read some where that the cns-17 is like 30$ us for a gallon! tell me more about this please.

 

[Guest]

got mine for 21 bucks. CNS 17 is a coco specific nute, with cal mag in it already to offset the kigh K levels of coco. Has a hydrolyzing agent in it, and is chelated for easier uptake. Do a web search on it, it'll tell ya more. Having said that, I know several folks on this board using canna A + B also, so there ain't nothing wrong with it. I used the CNS 17 because it's 1 part, and cheap.

What made you think you needed all the pirahna and tarantula and voodoo and all that other stuff?

 

[JITAMON]

i am understanding more and more!

i am understanding more and more!

i too dont see the need now.i have really been trying to simplify things. i now feel that just canna a+b and some rhizotonic is probably enough for a great veg plant.i will post pics of ALL 3 types of my coco grows today.i promise!(barring death or disaster!)

 

[JITAMON]

pics!!

pics!!

ok here we go this a description of my dwc veg buckets.i use these till i want to flower then upgrade to a larger bucket. i started with a bucket i get free at work every couple days,they hold boiled eggs.i clean them really good and then cut a 6" hole int the lid. here is the pics of just the bucket and lid.






here is a pic of the 6" mesh pots and the hydroton i put in the mesh pot.





here is a picv of the 6" coco tek basket that i then put in the mesh pot

here is a pic of how it looks in the dwc bucket minus tcoco and a coco lid

so then i fill my baskets with canna coco and flush with 5 ml canna a+b and 2.5 sensical/mg and run to waste.i let these sit for at least a couple hours till i plant my babies. here is a pic of me putting a filled and planted basket in the dwc.the lines you see are the airstone air lines coming from my pump and the electric cord for the pump

and finally my purple dragon clone that was grown in this very same set up.





I add i gallon of water with my nutes every day or so since its one plant i do it by hand vs. a controller. i really love these little dwc's it makes it real easy to grow a plant. i will post other findings about this method later as i have been sick for a couple days and cant think straight.

 

[gaiusmarius]

nice looking plants, looks like hydro ton to me man?

anyway, canna coco A+B is indeed made for use with tap water, as long as it's not too full of minerals. in my situation with my tap water, i never have to add calmag. if your tap water is to bad to use pure, then go with 50/50 or even 60 ro and 40 tap. rhizotonic is good to use at 4 ml per lt on baby plants once or twice, after that add 0.5ml per lt till week 5 of 12/12 when you stop it. use the sensi zyme instead of the cannazym. a flower booster or accelerator might also be a good idea.

dose the canna coco 1ml per lt of each with new clones and slowly increase to 1.7 or even 2.0 depending how the plant reacts. you always do it in small steps.

good growings, sorry to arrive so late, can't always spend every day on here, lol.

ps. pics of the coco grow will help us help you much better.

 

[Jack Crevalle]

I hate those coco pots, but I love Coco. I had terrible experience with those both in soil and hydro man. The roots don't seem to penetrate them well. They sucked in DWC with hydroton. Hope yours turns out different.
I too learned a thing or 2 (mainly how the plants bump) by looking at VTs grow and a pm here or there (He may not recognize me as I was a different handle back then) THANKS VT!

ANyway, I now use coco mixed with perlite, sometimes mixed with soil, but it makes the roots bump! Overwatering is hard, and CalMag for me made a big difference, but only with RO water. The tap water I use in veg seems to give trhem the Ca they need.
Good thread

 

[AbaZabba]

Hey Jitamon,

I'm using Canna Coco A & B @ 10 ml / gal with tap water (7.9 before pH adjustment) and the ladies simply love it! Going to be adding some PK13-14 in mid flowering as the only booster, possibly some molassas at the end.

I think it really is about keeping it simple with not too many additives with this stuff as buildups and lockouts seem common. My gals have never been happier, no complaints from them means no complaints from me, and talk about quick growth.

I will be using recirc. coco for a long time to come

 

[JITAMON]

CLARIFICATIONS!

CLARIFICATIONS!

ALOHA! thanx for the insights. i really find this useful! I do however feel the need to clarify.I USE COCO. COCO BASKETS FILLED WITH CANNA COCO. The mesh pot you see is filled 1-1.5 " with hydroton because the 6" cocotek baskets dont fill the mesh pot..roots were just hangin' in space drying out.sooo i filled the void with hydroton.I NEVER cut my coco. GAIUSMARIUS my tap water is 391 ppm. 7.4 ph and like .7-.8 ec. totally unusable in my opinion. my ro water is 3-4 ppm and 6.9 ph and .007 ec. i use that!! my plants love it. JACK CREVALLE . i have no problems with roots going thru my baskets.maybe cause i fill em with coco not hydroton?. i goota go to work now so more later!

 

[JITAMON]

aloha!

aloha!

again thanx guys for the info. i'm going with 10 ml canna a+b as a base. i'm shooting for an ec of 1.5 i also add sensi cal/mg and b52 and rhizotonic to this lady. my ec is 1.5 my ph is 6-6.05 and my ppms were around 750 or so after i added all the above and adjusted ph. i did start with R.O. water that measures 3-4 ppm .007 ec and ph6.97 i run two 6" airstones off a walmart brand called"aqua culture" air pump.pump cost's$ 9.97 and the airstones are$2.49 or so and the tubing cost's$1.33. grand total of$15.00 or so.this plant grows an inch to an inch an a half a day! look at my gallery and look at the purple buds! same clone. i will post my 2x4 hydro drip table next! i will be glad to answer any questions about my minimax dwc that i can! good luck everyone may the force be with you all!
here is what the dragon looks like in flower!!





last pic was a mix of my fav'surple dragon,blackberry kush and bubblegum!!

 

[JITAMON]

back at last!!

back at last!!

aloha had to lay low for awhile. thank god everything is cool.was wondering there for a minute how it would all work out.

as of today im back in action.

i read that -VT- has a similar thread going about side by sides.cool man. that guy is forward thinking for shure!! i too am doing 3 count em three different tests side by side.
test#1- does coco work in dwc?????
test#2-does watering when the pots start to get lighter,like in soil/soiless applications reach the 1+ gram per watt goal?
test#3-does watering by drip at 1-3x per day reach the 1+ gram per watt goal?

so far i must say that yes coco does work in dwc.i have posted pics already of the results. although i do not have my strains dialed in in this method,there is a lot of promise.I have found the chunkier coco to be better at keeping the fungus nats at bay. my main failures though have been with ph fluctuations and the resulting lockout and def. problems. to put it mildley, I am going thru a big learning curve going from soil to hydro.At times my results look like i am a noob,(which i am to the world of hydro) i find myself wanting to go back to my beloved pro mix and fox farms. arggh i wont give up that easily though.

most of my confusion lies in that my tap water is 391 ppm. when i use my canna a+b with this tap water my plants get all messed up.it just never goes right. so i change my res and i add cal/mg and it gets worse.so i changed over to 100% r.o water. no improvement. at this point i am lost.

I have read every thread from our mod. every thread from -vt-, bonecarver, and mojo. all the answers are there i know it. I AM HAVING PROBLEMS STILL.

Which leads me to this.its the water i use. its not consistant.i use proven recipies.formulas that are on this site.wtf??? this is happening with strains i have already grown out in coco hydro with minimal worries. now i just cant get it right. what do i do if my water is no good??

 

[JITAMON]

more info

more info

i wanted to add some info for all you guys and gals. i live easy walking distance to the beach. In southern california. From what i gather this is some of the worst water in the world out da tap. i have had problems with my ph up and down also. i use 1/4 sometimes 1/2 tsp per gallon to adjust ph. why??? the bottle says 1 tsp per 10 gallons adjusts ph .5 well not for me. again why??? does any one else have this problem with your tap water?? i am beating myself over the head silly on this one

 

[Bubble~licious]

Hey Jitamon,
Newbie grower here so I can't offer much advice. I can say that for me, it is not entirely easy trying to dial into coco, nutes, water types, salts and such. I can also say that most likely if I was using any other medium, I probably would not have any bud to show for this grow as coco is EXTREMELY forgiving, which I'm sure you've read time & time again. So, my babbling summarized is, I feel ya pain getting used to it all and it's tempting to go back to old ways. This is a great crew here, VT, BC, GM, MOJO and many more, really seem to know where it's at. Sometimes when I get overwhelmed and can't figure things out, I read entire threads all over again from start to finish. This helps IMO, especially after you get a feel for coco, then to go back and re-read it's almost like "oh yeah, I see it now". I wish I could offer you some solid advice but I'm not there yet just a lil sumpthin sumpthin that helps me figure things out. Good Luck with your grow, I look forward to hearing your success story.
Peace...

 

[aeric]

I don't know definately the answer to ur Q? but am assuming it's not a matter of PPM but of water quality and what's in it. My tap is 350 ppm and smells pretty bleachy, but a day later of bubbling and it's all good, no nute problems. I'm guessing ur tap may have salt or some other thing in excess? It's simple, don't use it. Here's the key:

this is happening with strains i have already grown out in coco hydro with minimal worries. now i just cant get it right. what do i do if my water is no good??

What did you do differently if at all? Was it a different time of year where water was different quality? etc......

test#1- does coco work in dwc?????

I was wondering what is the point of doin DWC with coco? Maybe I'm not understanding how u use it but assume u put the coco in the baskets....the water in the rest of the bucket is what is important not the medium that essentially serves as an anchor for the plant and not much else....I did that with coco once but just cuz I changed my mind about doing it in a pot, and wanted to go DWC with that one plant. It would be beneficial if you were doing recirculting with the drip line going thru the coco i guess, so that the coco acts like a biofilter, and the "juice" from the coco has many benefits as well. Again I probably don't understand ya there.....

test#2-does watering when the pots start to get lighter,like in soil/soiless applications reach the 1+ gram per watt goal?

Most definitely.

test#3-does watering by drip at 1-3x per day reach the 1+ gram per watt goal?

It may be more dependent on spacing, size of plants, size of roots than watering frequency, as in #2, but frequency is the icing on the cake to eek out that extra bit of gpw, I hope to find the answer to that soon too.

 

[aeric]

also wanted to say just for fun: canna a+b by itself does wonders, rhizo or voodoo in conjunction with carboload or sweet increases roots, thus yield over not using them, carbo/sweet by itself increases yield and flavor, bloom boosters help but aren't totally necessary with canna, and easy to overdo. When the crap hits the fan just focus on the A+B and if there's still a problem bring the strength up or down, still a problem? Then it's not your nutes. I use:

Advanced Monkey juice A+B (similar to Canna)
carboload/sweet
Rhizotonic
Voodoo
Liquid Karma
PB flower for soil week 4 on
PK 13/14 week 4-6 or 7 depending on strain

but if I could only go with 2 it would be A+B and Rhizo.

 

[JITAMON]

aloha

aloha

ALOHA !! thanks for your input AERIC and BUBBLE~LICIOUS. I figured out my problems.i will detail my findings in detail later today as i need to upload pics and get all my info straight.again thanx !!

 

[bonecarver_OG]

hi mate

i use de-salified tapwater.. thats what we get in the tap but i mix it with 2/3 - 1/2 of distilled water (i guess RO water is about the same)

i never used calmag - actually i cant even get it in the grow shop to test if it does a difference here.

peace and good luck

 

[Guest]

canna say to use tap water and then to let it stand for several hours ,no need for cal/mag ,,,canna coco includes humic and fulvic acids so no need for them either ,,,

 

[JITAMON]

update

update

aloha. been in the lab using all this good info to furthur the grow. To everyone that has posted info,THANK YOU. I got it dialed in now.To everyone who is part of ic mag thank you. We are helping each other here is what i have learned since I last checked in.
1- let your solution settle till its stable BEFORE one adds ph +/-
2- ppm's of tap water IS included in final figure.
3- wash one's coco medium till it runs clear(tap water is fine as it aides in the cationic exchange).
4- listen to Aeric, Gaiusmarius, Mojo, Bonecarver_OG, and -VT-. these guys will NOT steer one wrong.
5- Listen to one's ladies.They will only respond to you.since their yours.One must dial in ones's own grow. What applies to me might not apply to you.
6- let it grow, let it grow!!!!!

I wanted to include a formula that really seems to work.

5 gallons/18.9 lt -Tap Water (mine is 391 ppm)
50 ml canna coco A
50 ml canna coco B
40 ml cannazyme
50 ml rhizotonic
25 ml liquid karma
If i add anything it is B-52 at1ml/gl
this has been working great for veg

 

[BlindDate]

OK...I'll answer your questions:

1. Use tap water. RO is not needed.

2. Do not mix nutrient brands unless you know what you're doing .

3. If your going to use CANNA coco, you can use it by itself or with any or all of the CANNA additives. Most additives are only an insurance policy.

4. You're way to NEWBY to conduct any kind of comparison that would benefit anyone on this board.

5. You don't understand our answers so you choose to cop an attitude and blame the members.