250w HPS users....

[Euphrates]

Ok.. Another I really don't know (amateurish) question, I have a base mogul socket (Porcelain) an a bat wing reflector. The mogul socket came with these fluorescent lights (125 watt). I believe the mogul socket is a e39 mogul socket but I am not 100% sure, (pretty sure though). Could I get a ballast and a Hps 250watt and Mh 250 watt light bulbs, and run them safely through the said mogul socket?

Also should there be any particular placement of the ballast for safety reasons ? Would there be any kind of wiring needed? Would a power strip (surge protector) be Unnecessary with a ballast.

Thank You.

Edit: The ballast in question will be mh/hps switchable, and I know I'll need a heavy duty timer.

 

[70's rock]

took some pics of other plants in my cab. this is a pure power plant from nirvana (femed), growing in coco. i got her as a clone from a friend. vegged for 5 days before flipping to 12/12.




next up is another ppp. it's from seed, in soil mixed with perlite. looks very different. of the 10 seeds i bought i've grown 7. 6 of em looked like the first pic, more or less. she vegged for 2,5 weeks. had a slow start in bloom, but has really catched up in the last week or two. beautiful plant, too bad i didn't take a clone of her. she's starting to become my favourite of em all!

 

[Ekz_Ray]

peace

peace

i am planning to purchase a 250 digital ballast, and my question is will a medium sized PC fan be enough to cool a hps in a cool tube, or will i need something... bigger... faster... stronger, to maintain a reasonably adequate ambient temp? my grow space is 18.5 long times 22 deep times 47.5 tall(all measurements are in inches) tryna plan it now so i can just plug it in and go im going to go and get the cord and light in bout 2 weeks, i should have all of the peices in about a month and a half or so maybe 2, not sure just yet, and not really in a big rush considering this micro-CFL is going to give me a nice bit off some bag seeds that i liked the smoke on, cuz the ice runted on me @ tha last minute, plus i got these afghans, MK and sweet going in another tray, i just wanna have it ready for the 3-4 week of those clones flowering...so no time like the present...
"Ya dig??"
(((Scottie??)))

 

[luv2garden]

i am planning to purchase a 250 digital ballast, and my question is will a medium sized PC fan be enough to cool a hps in a cool tube, or will i need something... bigger... faster... stronger, to maintain a reasonably adequate ambient temp? my grow space is 18.5 long times 22 deep times 47.5 tall(all measurements are in inches) tryna plan it now so i can just plug it in and go im going to go and get the cord and light in bout 2 weeks, i should have all of the peices in about a month and a half or so maybe 2, not sure just yet, and not really in a big rush considering this micro-CFL is going to give me a nice bit off some bag seeds that i liked the smoke on, cuz the ice runted on me @ tha last minute, plus i got these afghans, MK and sweet going in another tray, i just wanna have it ready for the 3-4 week of those clones flowering...so no time like the present...
"Ya dig??"
(((Scottie??)))

You'll need something more powerful than a PC fan sorry botha!

I have a Vortex 172 and it cools off my flower chamber to 78-82F and the size is 25 W x 20 D x 39 1/4" H.
Here's what my 250 digital ballast can do!

1 x Bogbubble at week 7 and Flushing

 

[one Q]

to luv2

to luv2

what do you average in that set up?

 

[luv2garden]

what do you average in that set up?

This is my first run in my new cab, and I don't own a scale but would guess around 4 zips when I'm done curing which is enough to last me a year as I only smoke at night after work while relaxing with the wife watching the tube.

I always loved the NGB micro cab and finally got a chance to make my own,
it's perfect for the med user IMHO.

Luv2

 

[plantman969]

My 250w set up and nutes

My 250w set up and nutes

whats up. I am a fairly new to personal growing and have started out with a full line of botanicare nutes, plus a few additives.

Nutrients I Run - For a 250w Conversion (MH flower/HPS Bloom) 14gallon, DWC rubbermade tote w/two 15" air stones with a water rez level of 9 gallons for 3 plants. in a 2x2x6 Homebox S. 4" 170cfm carbon filer exaust, two 4" 80cfm inline fans for air intake straight from humidifier, and two 6" clip fans for interior air movement. temps 67 night - low 84-87 high day with a low - 35% humitity all times. RO or Distilled Water

how can i improve or got any ideas on helping me with better flowering nutes or somthing you have used or have noticed benifits from.



Botanicare:

PBP Grow - From 5ml pre-soaking rockwool for seeds - end of week 2 15ml grow/bloom of flowering

PBP Bloom - week 1 of flowering 10ml grow 15ml bloom till buds start to form the only bloom - 1 1/2 week before harvest

Calmag - 2.5ml gal presoaked rockwool for seeds - harvest never going higher than 8ml

Liquid Karma - 15ml presoaking rockwool for seeds - 12ml gal veg 15ml gal bloom - harvest

Sweet - 5ml presoaking rockwool for seeds - 10-12ml for veg, 12-20ml bloom to harvest - Dont care great for seed germination and all the way through imo helps keep plant nice and compact during veg use both calmag and sweet keeping it close to 60 - 40 sweet-calmag

Silica Blast - Start adding at 2.5 ml a gal after fist set of tru leafs. Great natural ph Up No more than 5ml a gal at any given time.


Advanced Nutrients:

B52 - 1ml a gal for presoaking rockwool for seeds - 2-4ml a gal veg to transistion of 12/12 stop for 3 weeks and back to 2-4ml a gal bloom

Voodoo Juice - From start to finish/flush Great ****ing Stuff dont care whtany one says. its all in how you apply it i think. Granted i wasted a good chunk of change but i feel now every crop could benifit. I took some trial and error but imo there are a few ways one can benifit from it. at first
i went with the 30ml a gal for the full res and went half stength on nutes worked great no **** 3 hours i noticible root growth the next day double.
But 30ml a gal is way too much. i could explain this prosses of trail an error but that is for a diferent post. In the end i mix 1-2ml PER PLANT in a liquid siringe and then suck up some rez (filling the 60ml siringe) water after a day of the nutes sitting in the tote mixing - make sure pH is between 5.5 - 6.3 I then shake siringe and inject 20ml directly to the base of plant and rockwool. after this i usully add 10 - 15 ml a gallon based on total rez gallons not the number of gallons with mxed nutes so for me 90ml every rez change - for me 3 times a grow. baby-veg, veg-end of first month bloom, and bloom to flush

Sensizym - Next purchase and will use with every rez change, when needed, and for flush

pH Up
pH Down

Nutes I am going to purchase:
Collosal Bud Blast or Wet Betty Organic
Big Bud.


Nutrients must be mixed i a certin order so as to not lock other nutes out.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST AND BEST THING I HAVE LEARNED IN HELPING ME MAINTAIN MY LEVELS. If mixed in the right order very little pH up or down will be needed. For me after mixing I have to use a couple drops of pH up because of PBP Grow or Bloom when added lower pH significantly.

This is my mix and order for current veg and transition: Last two gallon mixes

RO Water - pH 7.1/75f/.32ec/220ppm/TDS 7
then add
10ml Liqiud Karma- ph 5.9/75f/.46ec/320ppm/TDS 226
+
10ml Sweet - forgot to get readings
+
7ml Calmag- pH 5.91/75f/1.38ec/960ppm/TDS 713
+
2ml B52- pH 5.8/75f/1.5ec/1040ppm/TDS 753
+
2ml Silica Blast- pH 6.5/75f/1.5ec/1070ppm/TDS 771
+
15ml PBP Grow- pH 5.35/75f/2.71ec/1890ppm/TDS 1440
my gallon mixes before transition

Transition Mix: Best Mix Yet
1 Gallon RO Water - ph 7.27/76f/.16ec/120ppm/TDS 12
+
12ml Liquid Karma- pH6.38/74f/.48ec/330ppm/TDS 241
+
12ml Sweet- pH 6.02/74f/.94ec/660ppm/TDS 487
+
6ml Calmag- pH 6.04/74f/1.47ec/1020ppm/TDS 763
+
10ml PBP Grow- pH 4.99/74f/2.38ec/1660ppm/TDS 1220
+
3ml Silica Blast- pH 5.73/74f/2.41ec/1680ppm/TDS 1310
+
12ml PBP Bloom- pH 5.23/74f/3.18ec/2220ppm/TDS 1790
+
2 drops pH Up- pH 5.51/74f/3.18ec/2220ppm/TDS 1790
Final Readings.

I start my rez with low nutes and add 1/2 - full strength nutes premixed in gallons as the water level lowers to my add back and if i feel the plants are getting to manny nutes i just take out a 1/2 - 1 gal rez water and add some pH balanced RO water then go back an hour later empty a gl of rz water add some pH down and dump it back in.

this is what i am working with hope it helps i will throw some pics up soon

OH DONT USE ROOTS ORGANIC TRINITY IN YOU DWC FOAMS/BUBBLES AND THE PLANTS DONT SEEM TO LIKE IT - BUT I BET IT IS GREAT IN SOIL.

1)Tap water is also a great way yo add natural ph up to your rez.

2)In which order and how do you mix your nutes? I read that the best way to take full advantage of your feeding program was to manage your nute mixing. So you would mix your additives/macros LK Sweet Carbo Load B52 ect, then your NPK Nutes PBP grow/bloom then your benificials voodooo, taranjula, pirana, sub -b sub-m ect. In doing so you will not lock any nutes out in the mixing process. also benificals should be added after the rez and nutes have had time to mix properly. I have had great succes with this and RO water statrting at ph 7 ending in 5.3-5.9

3)Also true you should definitally use PBP Grow in the first 3 weeks of bloom or till buds start to form. To get over the phos problem i was told using B52 after buds start to form will help this problem.

4)Side Note Try Sweet in veg i think you will like it. Just use a little less calmag. i use both together - sweet because it says if used in veg it will help keep plants from becoming soft stemed and lengthy. And my plants are short stocky bushes.


Like i said i start low and add high. My res is not that high that was the total of my add back mixes my rez sets at

Currently :

Bloom Box - Sprouted 3/8 - pH 5.78/74f/2.34ec/1630ppm/TDS 1330

Veg Box w/2- 2 week old plants from seed started 4/1- pH 5.91/71f/1.51ec 1050ppm/TDS 828

 

[one Q]

Ekz_Ray: do a search on the "ghost 250" and look for a thread by The Ghost. He did all his vents with computer fans. Good info there to, 7oz scrog under 250.

PlantMan, you need to look up Lucas Formula. lol, all those bottles.

 

[ixnay007]

nice looking cola how far along is she???

She was about 5 1/2 to 6 weeks at that time..

Went outa town, gonna be chopping tonight.

I'll take a few pics beforehand.

 

[plantman969]

Whats going on? So i have a few question.

I have my 2x2x6 grow space with my 250
3 plants in 9gal dwc. The plants look wonderful with no problems. (hopefully)

So my question - I have been doing a lot of reading and so forth and have noticed my plants are so much diff than most. 1st they are on day 6 of veg total of 4-7 in with more growth and root mass than most. The problem lies in the amount of space. i have 1 barneys farm nightshade in the front (indica)
small comparied to the others both Super Lemon Haze- 1 showing sativa phenos and the other more of the indica pheno.
These are the two i am concerned about.
From the beginning they have been veged under the MH250 and now on the HPS250, yet the whole time my light is about 4-6 in above the plant. Because of this along with the multipule toppings they have become bushes. Yet they are short. I place my light really low because i have good air flow and have yet to burn the plants. i also dont have that large space between the stock and starting of growth like most do. Maybe 1" from tote to foliage. I did raise my light so it sits about 9" from the plants to help them strech. Once they reach 1.5 feet from the tote my screen will come into play SCROG
My buddy said because they area is so small once my buds fill out the screen it will be like a rainforest. Lush tops shitty undergrowth. I plan on trimming larger fan leafs throughout flowering to get more light penitration. and also installing 4 small cfls for suplamental lighting under the screen. Are my bushes going to make this really dificult?

This is my first real grow and have had my bumps in the road - all most killed the plants in flower when i switched them to 12/12 the first time. they got nute lock out from low ph ended cutting off most of the plant and reveged for about a week and a half to get them recovered. Well in doing so they grew back and are super healthy but just really bushy. So maybe i over topped them?


I feel i have the process down pat for what works for me from seed to begining of flowering. But have never gone futher than that and dont quite know what to expect during the flowering process.

so any ideas comments that would help facilitate this learning please voice your opinions.

 

[one Q]

Are my bushes going to make this really dificult?

So maybe i over topped them?

Just flow with it. Some ppl do all this topping in veg, the right before they flip 12s they cut all the branches (use as clones) and leave only 4 tops per plant. This is supped to give good results, but not with scrog.

If youre scrogging, then youre going to rid yorself of said underbrush anyway.

You are at a pivotal point right now, watch how much you learn in the next 5-8 weeks. It'll be amazing.

I'll say this: dont be afraid of the siccors, trim as needed, cut leaves in half too. Over growing it and cutting back is better than under doing it and missing out. Have FUN learning, you can always improve on the next run. Leaps and Bounds.

 

[Ekz_Ray]

Peace

Peace

You'll need something more powerful than a PC fan sorry botha!

I have a Vortex 172 and it cools off my flower chamber to 78-82F and the size is 25 W x 20 D x 39 1/4" H.

Ekz_Ray: do a search on the "ghost 250" and look for a thread by The Ghost. He did all his vents with computer fans. Good info there to, 7oz scrog under 250.

I appreciate it luv 2 garden. you really effin my groove up, but if th@s wh@ i'll have to do then th@s wh@ i'll have to do.
1Q thanks for the reply, im going to go and see if i can find those threads when im done posting this....

much love, grow big and remember...
: a little good goes a long way...
and im out...

 

[Ekz_Ray]

Ekz_Ray: do a search on the "ghost 250" and look for a thread by The Ghost. He did all his vents with computer fans. Good info there to, 7oz scrog under 250.

yo i went and checked out his journal, and the hood for his light is cooled by something bigger than a PC fan..., but yo thanks for the attempt, cuz i was thinking i may just have to get like a 6 inch PC fan?? still lookin for small and quiet... but ye..
im out...

 

[SkunkyDemon]

Check out Newegg.com great place for pc fans.
Peace

 

[Wretched]

Have a Great 420!!!

 

[Bill O'Reilly]

HAPPY 4;20

HAPPY 4;20

feat. some 250W nugsss

keep it rasta

 

[snuggy1955]

hey all i am long time lurkur going back to OG days
all i have run in the past was a 150w and then a 400wsetup

but now im in a apartment and need something smaller, but the 150 did not cut it in terms of yield.

got some questions on my setup
in inches
LxWxH....28x20x42

im thinking on a 250w pyrex cool tube, while haveing a 4 inch vortex suck air through a carbon filter then blow out cool tube/and cab, with passive vents.

do you guys think i will have heat issues?

shuold i go with a six inch and speed controler, or get a 260 cage fan, and controller? i just heard that these suck at static pressure for the carbon filter.

thankx again for any feedback.

 

[shotalick]

hey guys. i loved this thread. i can`t belive what you guys do with 250w.
here you have some my PICs, of my current(1st.) grow under 250w HPS. i`ve got 4 girls in 18. days of flowering. i use HESI Bloom complex. I only use half of doze. when could i use FULL doze of fertilizers. please comment.

 

[Bill O'Reilly]

hey all i am long time lurkur going back to OG days
all i have run in the past was a 150w and then a 400wsetup

but now im in a apartment and need something smaller, but the 150 did not cut it in terms of yield.

got some questions on my setup
in inches
LxWxH....28x20x42

im thinking on a 250w pyrex cool tube, while haveing a 4 inch vortex suck air through a carbon filter then blow out cool tube/and cab, with passive vents.

do you guys think i will have heat issues?

shuold i go with a six inch and speed controler, or get a 260 cage fan, and controller? i just heard that these suck at static pressure for the carbon filter.

thankx again for any feedback.

You just described my setup. It works great.

I have a 4" Elicent fan with a carbon scrubber with a speed controller, it has no problem pulling air, I will tell you that.

 

[snuggy1955]

thankx bill

are you running hydro?