220w pl-l coco scrog cupboard

[ScrubNinja]

Excellent! Thanks all for chiming in. I'd imagine it would be no big deal for some here to have people walking past your grow all the time. I should be fine. I just hope it doesn't take six weeks! I'll get an ulcer.

 

[Strangely]

The german dimpled reflector sheet I used for the T8s gets used for most HID reflectors but I have a feeling if I coated it in mylar, it'd be better suited to fluorescents.

I was thinking of angled wood painted matt white as a refelctor (big CFL), would this be, you know, sh*t?

The floor up there is just the plaster sheeting (or whatever it's called) used for the roof inside the house. Does anyone know if they'd turn the power off while doing this? That's pretty much the clincher. :/

The beauty of the rebate idea (similar here in UK) is you get a good wedge back if not 100% so people tend to use pros. I'd imagine it'll be done in under 20minutes, it's money for old rope for these companies and they do loads in a day usually. They'll probably need to haul some planks or similar to crawl on which might take a bit longer. I'd be amazed if they turned the power off to do it. No tools to forget usually, a knife to cut open the packaging and a torch. That said good precautions stated by Cork.

Ooh, Strangely! He likes the icon, dude, you hear that?

haha just a slight improvement on the great original!

 

[ScrubNinja]

Yo man that would work. Just that mylar is technically the best I believe. I've seen reflectivity charts of the common materials and I'm pretty sure mylar was the top one out of the common commercially available products. I think panda film came next, then flat white paint.

Thanks for the info dude. That's very helpful. I noticed in the pic there's that big sheet of corrugated metal so maybe they can use that to crawl on.

I set up a manual irrigation system today. I stick my bucket of nutes in front of the cab, hook the pump up, and it pumps quite nicely onto each end of P Diddy's pot. Takes 10 minutes which is good as it drips out and gets well aerated. The emitters are/will be under the foliage/buds so it doesn't get wet from overhead watering. I hope they do this insulation soon - I'm really getting my groove on! P1 is well recovered and nearly ready to start spraying with silver/put into flower.

 

[Strangely]

I noticed in the pic there's that big sheet of corrugated metal so maybe they can use that to crawl on.

If you guys have the same sort of corrugated metal we have over here, I wouldn't crawl on it. I'd say the same to the fitters if they suggest it. I have a horror image of some tubby fitter coming crashing through the plaster board smashing into your grow and looking around at a shed load of MJ plants winking at him!!

I set up a manual irrigation system today. I stick my bucket of nutes in front of the cab, hook the pump up, and it pumps quite nicely onto each end of P Diddy's pot. Takes 10 minutes which is good as it drips out and gets well aerated. The emitters are/will be under the foliage/buds so it doesn't get wet from overhead watering.

That sounds awesome, I love all that James Bond sh*t! Aero gave me a heads up on something similar (if simpler) of having a pump out/in hose permanently attached to the top of your rez. Hydro I know, but same ball park. Still not sure on hydro Vs soil for my situation, leaning towards DWC.

I just discovered the rep button!! First lot's coming your way dude!

 

[Hella THC]

No need to cut the power IMO. Mylar is uber-reflective... if you can keep it flat :/ That's the main problem I ran into.

 

[ScrubNinja]

Hey Hella did you see that coke can + chocolate trick? That was incredible. I'm thinking about using polished cans for future reflectors.

Strangely, damn man! Y'all some smart mofos! That's my biggest fear - they put their fat foot through the roof. And of course it will be right over my cupboard no matter where I place it.

I barely understand hydro systems. I did want to make a more elaborate watering system for the cupboard but difficulties arise with the sliding floor. You know, coco is a pretty good choice, and an even better choice for micro. It's hydro results without the setup. Hand watering means you get a good feel for how a plant reacts to feeding. I would absolutely recommend it to noobz. DWC is great, as is Aero, and all the others, but they all rely on constant power too much for me. I know some hydro systems have very limited time frames in power outages before they die outright. Systems have a lot that you can screw up too. A lot of settings, a lot of things to gunk up or block, a lot of technique involved. All you do with coco is decide the strength of nutes to give it, ph it, pour it on. No real setup and no additives needed at all, although a potash boost product is a good choice for later flower.

I know you like my brash comments so I'll be straight with ya - dirt is a waste of time. As soon as I tried coco/hydro it all made sense and my dreams came true and my gallery became full. I better clarify before I piss anyone off - for someone living outside the US, dirt is a hard thing to do well. We can't just buy a bag of "x" product and mix it with a bucket of "y" as outlined in threads here. X and Y just aren't available. So by the time you fuck around finding equivalents, and adjusting things, as a noob you probably did more damage than good. Then you have to analyse any deficiencies etc. I really laugh when a noob picks soil because it's "easy" or "cheap". I spent 200 bucks on organic stuff a few pages ago and 200 bucks of coco and nutes would grow much better plants sooner and twice as many of them - all without looking at a single npk ratio or making an aerated tea or turning a compost pile.

There, I said it!

It's just my worthless opinion though. I'm glad not everyone grows the same or things would get boring. And I do often have my wig flipped by amazing organic soil grows. OBBTs are amazing as well.

 

[ScrubNinja]

8 days under pll

8 days under pll

My dribblers (one is hidden under the foliage):



P1 looking sexy:



P Diddy looking sexy. As wrong as that sounds:



The pll seedlings:



My vegie seedlings outdoor. The front half are Roma tomatoes, and the rear half is chilli (like a pepper)



Only one of the chillies sprouted and it was like that for days, then some of the others decided to sprout today.

 

[Hella THC]

Hey Hella did you see that coke can + chocolate trick? That was incredible. I'm thinking about using polished cans for future reflectors.

Strangely, damn man! Y'all some smart mofos! That's my biggest fear - they put their fat foot through the roof. And of course it will be right over my cupboard no matter where I place it.

I barely understand hydro systems. I did want to make a more elaborate watering system for the cupboard but difficulties arise with the sliding floor. You know, coco is a pretty good choice, and an even better choice for micro. It's hydro results without the setup. Hand watering means you get a good feel for how a plant reacts to feeding. I would absolutely recommend it to noobz. DWC is great, as is Aero, and all the others, but they all rely on constant power too much for me. I know some hydro systems have very limited time frames in power outages before they die outright. Systems have a lot that you can screw up too. A lot of settings, a lot of things to gunk up or block, a lot of technique involved. All you do with coco is decide the strength of nutes to give it, ph it, pour it on. No real setup and no additives needed at all, although a potash boost product is a good choice for later flower.

I know you like my brash comments so I'll be straight with ya - dirt is a waste of time. As soon as I tried coco/hydro it all made sense and my dreams came true and my gallery became full. I better clarify before I piss anyone off - for someone living outside the US, dirt is a hard thing to do well. We can't just buy a bag of "x" product and mix it with a bucket of "y" as outlined in threads here. X and Y just aren't available. So by the time you fuck around finding equivalents, and adjusting things, as a noob you probably did more damage than good. Then you have to analyse any deficiencies etc. I really laugh when a noob picks soil because it's "easy" or "cheap". I spent 200 bucks on organic stuff a few pages ago and 200 bucks of coco and nutes would grow much better plants sooner and twice as many of them - all without looking at a single npk ratio or making an aerated tea or turning a compost pile.

There, I said it!

It's just my worthless opinion though. I'm glad not everyone grows the same or things would get boring. And I do often have my wig flipped by amazing organic soil grows. OBBTs are amazing as well.

BLASPHEMY!!! Haha, just playin, bro. Good to hear. I'm only doing soil because I don't have a permanent set up yet.

And I've never heard of that coke can and chocolate trick... wtf? Fill me in

 

[ScrubNinja]

BLASPHEMY!!! Haha, just playin, bro. Good to hear. I'm only doing soil because I don't have a permanent set up yet.

And I've never heard of that coke can and chocolate trick... wtf? Fill me in

Haha don't listen me bro, it's all good. I am just glad the guy that taught me insisted I use coco. It's been good to me. I get into rants easily in the morning.

This is the link for the chocolate thing, I forget who posted it originally. I haven't tried it yet as I don't drink anything in a can!

 

[SmokinSHO]

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[grow1620]

wow..the chocolate thing...I remember that thread...and was wondering if the dude was just high or what..seeing how well that works, it gives me other ideas...I've seen sort of the same trick with a plastic water bottle..i think on man vs wild..but the chocolate thing is way cooler.

..i need to get me some coco now too! sounds awesome..I'm just worried if i'll be able to keep up with the watering..but I'll figure something out..

 

[ScrubNinja]

Smokin: Thanks for the feedback man! Yeah I'm not too sure ya know. You raise some interesting points. I was aware that they had coating inside but I figured sand it off with really fine sandpaper or an angle grinder with a wire wheel. Another option, perhaps more professional, would be to use auto "cut and dry" instead of chocolate. I dunno if you've experienced this stuff but it's magic. It's a fine abrasive paste and will restore a faded 20 year old car into a mirror finish and it gets scratches out.

I'm no expert on reflectors. But I've never noticed any kind of hot spot with fluoro lighting, so I don't see the creasing as an issue. The aluminium bbq plate reflectors I made for the last grow were very crinkled. I don't really stress about reflection too much. As long as you take the basic steps, it's usually good enough for me...ie anything white/shiny at all above the fluoros is better than nothing, or a flat dark surface. Getting more technical than that seems to me like fighting over scraps of scraps, although I understand people getting right into it

Grow1620: Man, I love that show! I have the whole series waiting here to be watched. The watering is no problem usually. You just make the pot size bigger and they need less watering. I've gone I think up to nearly 2 weeks once and the plant still lived. That was outdoors too. My friend waters daily in 75 - 100 litre pots My best result was watering daily in flower. There's a coco forum here and be aware that there is still a tiny learning curve. Didn't wanna make it sound all fun and games! My last run was pretty dismal for example, but I put that down to not following the rules and it was my first indoor flowering.

 

[Strangely]

Mylar is uber-reflective... if you can keep it flat :/ That's the main problem I ran into.

I might go down the mylar route for my 'reflector' of sorts then. It was DrBud championing flat white that made it stick, but I think he might have been coming from a keeping it clean, touching up paint work view point. I'll stick with flat white for the rest of the cab. To keep it (mylar) flat I'd try spray mount (spray glue for mounting paper etc) liberally sprayed onto chosen surface (wood in my case) a couple of coats is good then slowly lay one edge of mylar on keeping the opposing end in the air with one hand as you slowly flatten with the other. Thinking about it you could use cardboard under the mylar and you could replace it every grow as it would be nice and cheap (if using the old mylar backed wrapping paper). Now just need to find a type of spray mount that isn't massively flammable!

That coke can thing is ace! To be honest I/we would have a lighter in my pocket though right?!

My best result was watering daily in flower.

Not so sure I'd be able to do daily watering all the time. Other than that it does sounds tempting. You got any more shots of your self watering setup? I think I might look into some of the drip watering auto setups like you're rocking. Maybe combine with an occasional submerge watering a la DrBud?

P Diddy going strong by the looks Scrub!

EDIT- Don't think coco is for me. Some good pros but alot of suggestions of using run off when watering, which would be a nightmare for me in the loft. Good though that if power failed to drippers you'd have alot longer than hydro before it all went wrong. I'll keep reading but leaning towards DWC and simple bubble tubing for air. Just top it up and sort PH out. Seems best for my situation.

 

[ScrubNinja]

SmokinSHO, I just did some reading and it appears I missed your point entirely - I see what you mean now about the UV. Still, I wouldn't think it's much of an issue for CFLs? Maybe it is - I don't really understand that stuff much to be honest.

Strangely, check this thread out if you get a mo'. It discusses all this stuff and white would seem to be a good choice in some respects. It reflects the light without reflecting the heat...as I just learnt. Mylar will reflect more light but also more heat.... If I understood all that correctly!

Not sure if I'd use cardboard as backing for the reflector. A coke can seems like a pretty handy starting point as a backing plate, being metal?

Thanks bro, yeah everything is looking pretty good at the moment! I'll definitely get some good shots next watering. Which will be in like, 5 days. See what I mean, don't worry about the watering! If I was to set up some outdoor tomorrow, I would first decide how often I'd be able to water, and then I'd choose the pot size based on that. Smart, eh!

And after typing all that up I saw your edit! Gah! Well that is true bro, I can't lie. Dealing with the runoff is extremely annoying. But by the same token, you'll still have excess water to deal with at some point no matter which way you go. Some people on the coco forum are doing zero-runoff grows and that looks promising for someone indoors. But I can see the appeal of DWC too.

 

[Strangely]

Not sure if I'd use cardboard as backing for the reflector.

Yeah you're probably right. Nearly as good an idea as using (highly flammable) Spray Mount!!

Looking at your mylar Vs paint thread link I think I'll stick to matt white after all. Nice and easy after all!

And after typing all that up I saw your edit! Gah!

haha sorry dude, thought I'd got in there quick enough and trying not to post 4000 posts a day in your threads! Hmmm will check out the zero run off threads, I did wonder how necessary it was if you let the coco dry out enough (but not too much) to let Mr Air in to play...

 

[Daffy420]

Hi Scrubninja

as you know i have the 2 x 80W duo fluor.

I am thinking of getting the 4 x 55w star lite. Do you think this is to hot for
a homebox XS wich is 60cmx60cm?

I am convinced that pll is the way to go only the 2 x80 is to small for the homebox xs

 

[ScrubNinja]

Hey there Daffy, I forgot the height you're working with but I'll guess it's pretty small. My old tent is 80cm x 50cm, x 80cm high and I'd have no qualms about putting the hood in there, in fact it's almost built for a hood like this. I think you could do it, but a lot would be riding on your fan. You would want a pretty loud computer fan if you have a carbon scrubber. But if no scrubber is being used, I'd say it wouldn't be much problem to cool at all, quite quietly, probably with the fans you have now if they're decent. Make cooling the very bases where the glass meets the plastic the main priority. In a setup as tight at the ends as ours, you really need some active cooling on the bases. Even a 120 or so CFM fan at the tips wasn't cutting it. I thought I had mine cool enough but once I used those clear 80mm's on the bases, I could see it helped so much. I don't mean to be crude but I could rest my nutsack on my bases now, they are so cool. I'd have to watch for those fans though.

Strangely: Cool. (sorry, sick of typing, haha)

 

[b00m]

Stopping by to say High bro, things are looking good under the PLL's, here's some more greenery for this page,

recent flower cab shot, cant wait to see yours like this bro. Bin flat out like a lizard drinking lately with work.
Peace.

 

[ScrubNinja]

Nice, man. I probably don't have long to veg now. I'll surely have beads of sweat running down my face when the guys come.

Been slowly getting shit reorganised. Gave some seasol in the nutes last watering and the roots exploded. The top is going quite slow in comparison, but that's good. I'll try to get a few pics later.

Peace.

 

[ScrubNinja]

Saturday night update fever!

Saturday night update fever!

Okay, so I dunno how long that was, because IC messes up the dates for me, but 4 days or so? I still like to dry it right out and it was fairly dry. So they both got a 0.3ec watering today which is like a flush, but not, because it takes so much damn water I barely had enough for runoff. Gotta start using a bigger bucket! Here is the watering system I made and brace yourself, because it looks absurdly complex, but it's very, very simple. I just used what I had on hand, y'all know how it is, suckaz!



Doesn't make sense? Here let me show you a close up, that should simplify things



Hehehe. So it's sort of like the internets in a way - it's a series of tubes But all it's actually doing, is splitting the flow from the pump into two lines which go to each end of P Diddy, and come out the splitter things on the end. All the extra loops and shit is just to block outlets, or let me fit T connectors etc. I know close to zero about water physics so maybe I went a little overboard, lol, but fuck it, I love it! My arm is permanently messed up so it's very nice to know that I don't have to screw around under scrog screens etc ever again.



I had a roll of, I think it's called spaghetti tube? The proper skinny black tubing anyway, but I used black airpump tube because it's flexible. And I used "dribblers" instead of drippers because drippers block, and are slow too. Takes approx 10 mins to water Diddy. The nutes soak right out into the coco with osmosis (?) as we see here:



Check out the roots:



It's like that all around Imagine what they're like under the tape!

And here we have a top view:



Closer up:



P1 is looking okay I guess. She's slowly reverting back to proper veg, and getting some nitrogen into her. I don't fuss over these guys at all. They both get the same feed thus far.



One of the 6 Outdoor seedlings died out of the blue, very quickly and not the thin-stem shit that happened to the others. They seem to be growing slowly but they're in "soil" so it's all just an experiment. I have nooooo idea so I'm just having fun with 'em.

I wish I could get a start on the fem seeds, but if I can avoid it I don't want anything in flower, just in case. I'll probably be doing a vertical grow in the tent when it comes back online.

And then I'm moving house because I need my own power account! I'll have a house full of micro grows