205w LED vs 400w HID Let the battle begin!

[blazeoneup]

I tell the same thing to everyone: FLORAMITE. $30 on eBay can save you a WORLD of trouble with mites. It only stays in the plant's system for 4 weeks, is very non-toxic compared to other products like Avid, and works FAR BETTER. 2 sprays spaced one week apart and you'll never see mites again. It's literally that good. Spray it right before putting them in bloom and you'll be fine.

Thanks for the advice, I believe these mites are resistant to floramite and seem resistant to most conventional treatments.

I hit my last round with floramite 3 times before flipping, and still by the end of flower those fuckers took over.

Here is what happened to my last round even after treating with floramite 3 times and hangin a no pest strip.


These are not your ordinary mites and they seem to be risistant to floramite, No pest strips dont seem to bother them either. I also have used other sprays and such and no luck..

After that I cut all my moms down into babies and powerwashed all of the cuts really well, I am waiting for them to root and I will be bombing them a couple times and dunking them again.

I had to throw 2 plants in the trash and pull them early!

I'm probably going to end up starting this grow over from scratch, I can take the plants currently treat them for mites and put them under a 600 and flower them out and get some new babies rooted and start this comparison grow over.

I can remove the parabolic reflector and replace it with a new hood.

 

[coxswain]

Vertimec does wonders if you can get it over there.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

I have no experience with mites... and I'm not sure how well you'd be able to seal your side by side cabinet... but have you ever tried killing these supermites with high amounts of CO2?

http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/articles/4465.html


Will enough CO2 suffocate mites in my growroom?

If I turn up the CO2 to 1,500-2,000 ppm, will it suffocate the spider mites and kill them? If it won't, what will?
Blueberrybozo,
Texas

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is used by plants as an ingredient for photosynthesis. Plants combine it with water using light as energy. The result is sugar, which is used to supply the plant with building material and energy. Normally, CO2 is found in the air at rates of 350-400 parts per million (PPM) and climbing. When plants are given bright light they photosynthesize faster in the presence of air enriched with CO2. A typical level for bright rooms is 1,500-2,000 ppm.

CO2 is not a poison gas. We breathe it in every time we inhale and we breathe out a lot more of it when we exhale. When gardeners visit their CO2 enriched gardens they breathe levels five to six times greater than normal.

Mites breathe oxygen. If the CO2 were turned up a lot higher the mites would be able to breathe as long as there was adequate oxygen in the air. If they were placed in an all-CO2 environment where they received no oxygen for a few hours they would probably "hibernate" in some way. They would have enough of a survival rate to continue hassling your plants.

Oxygen-free environments have been used for grain storage with mixed results. They are much more effective in controlling rodents than insects.

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There are a lot of approaches to eliminating mites. You can use registered organic pesticides such as Cinnamite, neem oil or other neem oil-based or organic miticides.

EDITOR'S NOTE:

Releasing a full container of carbon dioxide into a sealed grow set-up will kill all mites and insects. But, don't be in the room while the CO2 is being released! It would be enough to KILL YOU! I have seen this technique of bringing the CO2 to 10,000 ppm for 15 minutes to kill all pests. You must vent out the CO2 before entering the room. Two applications, five days apart, will kill all mites, pests and their offspring. ? Marc

 

[AOD2012]

ahh that sucks blaze, but you gotta do what you gotta do. ill be here for the ride, cant wait to see what you are going to do.

 

[bcell]

Wow. That has got to be the worse mite infestation I have ever seen. What do you think you will do different to prevent the next grow if nothing seems to work?

 

[blazeoneup]

What I have done is chopped all my mothers down and I am going to powerwash the small clones a few times and once they are fully rooted I will put the into 16 oz cups and bomb the rooms then spray them with floramite then azamax and then powerwash them again and bomb again.

 

[kava]

wow that was ugly. I will still be watching and paying attention so do what you must and remember to let us know how it all works as we might have to do something like this when it happens to us and thank you for keeping us informed.

 

[blazeoneup]

For now I will keep these plants put in the side by side, If anything when the new babies are ready I will move the larger plants to another location and flower them and instantly go into the next round without this thread having any down time.

Here are some pictures of them from this week, As you can see there is plastic that was taped around the bags so when I was dunking the plants the soil wouldn't soak up to much of the stuff!

These plants have been power washed dunked and power washed again.

Some shots of the led side with lights on and off!


Hid side!


Largest plant from both sides, Led on the left HID on the right! Looks pretty close...

 

[bulkybud]

I have no experience with mites... and I'm not sure how well you'd be able to seal your side by side cabinet... but have you ever tried killing these supermites with high amounts of CO2?

If possible in your setup, I second that.
Good advice!

 

[Seedling]

Have you ever tried these little critters

Im lucky and have never been hit by the borg but heard a lot of good things about these predators.

This is a quote from an other ICMAG user : drago
I just been introduced to these natural predators, I dont think il ever need to spray again. put them at the base of the plant and sprinkle some over the tops. then sit back and watch the feast! they will only eat the borg and not your plants, once they have eaten them all they die. if you have your lights on 16 hours or more they will breed and its worth getting them, if the light is any less they wont breed and die after a few days so not worth it.

Looks like a great and natural way of killing the Mites of!
Great thread by the way, loving it.

 

[Nicoli]

Holy miteballs. That's gnarly looking. Hope you can kill the mites!

 

[VerdantGreen]

........ if you have your lights on 16 hours or more they will breed and its worth getting them, if the light is any less they wont breed and die after a few days so not worth it.


Looks like a great and natural way of killing the Mites of!
Great thread by the way, loving it.

thats a useful bit info about the light length and would explain why adding these to my flowering cab seemed to have very little effect

arses!

VG.

 

[Kondicykel]

this thread is SO destroyit !! its not even posible to find any pictures in here lol...
wtf guys..
but anyway its good to see some1 who like to experiment

I DONT BELIVE my eyes.. is the 200watt LED same size as 400 HID on this stage?
is there same amount of plants and same amount of room in both grows? are they like totaly look alike?
habe you started both grows at same exacly same time?
All i heard about LED is that its not ready to grow with... hum... i just buyed 400watt HID for my veg...
maybe i should have taken the LED instead..:O
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I heard and readed that the purple spektrum wont make plants grow... well it doesnt seem like that true at all !!
then i have to find something else for my clones:/

 

[NiteTiger]

this thread is SO destroyit !! its not even posible to find any pictures in here lol...
wtf guys..
but anyway its good to see some1 who like to experiment

I DONT BELIVE my eyes.. is the 200watt LED same size as 400 HID on this stage?
is there same amount of plants and same amount of room in both grows? are they like totaly look alike?
habe you started both grows at same exacly same time?
All i heard about LED is that its not ready to grow with... hum... i just buyed 400watt HID for my veg...
maybe i should have taken the LED instead..:O
--
I heard and readed that the purple spektrum wont make plants grow... well it doesnt seem like that true at all !!
then i have to find something else for my clones:/

That's because it's not a purple spectrum. It is red and blue spectrum, combining to form purple.

For pics, click on the name (in this case Blaze), and choose filter posts. It'll show you only their posts.

 

[rastaidd]

great plants man!

 

[Centrum]

Hey blaze, i had mites really bad tried all kinds of crap.

Then finally i just bought like 10 Hot shots, and spread them around the room 1 per table.

The mites are gone and have never came back.

They say HOT SHOTS are not good for your health, but if you handle them correctly and try not to give them hugs and kisses and maybe even wear gloves when you handle them.
Leave them in your garden long enough to to remove the mites 30 days.

I heard lady bugs will clean it up as well.
Good luck.

 

[LEDGirl]

Those $6 HotShot strips from Home Depot also work well at defending your garden from other pesky insects such as thrips and white flies. It's another good "insurance" policy for any garden. They last 4 months for $6! It was the only thing that killed thrips when I had em.

 

[blazeoneup]

The funny thing is I have used the hotshot no pest strips plenty of times and even had one in each 4x4 tent with the plants that were treated with floramite and didnt seem to help none with these, Again these mites seem resistant to most any treatments aside from powerwashing lol.

I have used no pest strips for years now these are the 1st mites I've seen that dont mind them. I still have some to put up but doesnt help with these mites but will work for many other critters!

 

[phattybudz]

Man Blaze, I don't know where you're at, but I'm in Cali and I've had mites perpetually pretty much since I started growing ~2 years ago, I've hit them with floramite, azamax, safer's soap, no pest strips, bombs, and neem etc. and they are still around wreaking havoc.

Almost makes me want to quit. Little bastards! I am currently trying bombing+floramite+azamax+safers+floramite+bombing 3 days apart... such a pain in the ass!

 

[LEDGirl]

Sometimes the only thing you can do (I've dealt with resistant mites in the past as well) is bleach the entire garden after your harvest.

I'm really no fan of the man personally, but have you tried Zero Tolerance from Ed Rosenthal? It works differently from other miticides and it works well if you use it as directed. I would possibly even use it a little bit more than directed just to be safe. If everything else has already failed, perhaps this might help ya. If you spray it too late in bloom though, it will make everything taste like cinnamon.