2024 State of the genepool discussion.

[ojd]

Thanks for the laugh mate this joke was a lot funnier than mine

It was, and was clear on what I was talking about and who it was directed at

 

[revegeta666]

It was, and was clear on what I was talking about and who it was directed at

You're the one who makes every thread about yourself mate, I thought it was pretty clear who the joke was refering to. What should I have done, tag you? Seriously calm down lol

And again it was just a joke, you say you have crocodile skin but it's literally the opposite. How can you get so triggered by a silly joke like that? It's not like it was personal or anything.

And also I'm a sheep who is part of some kind of conspiracy to troll you by "internet people"? Because I find funny that you make every thread about yourself? Excuse me? Who are these people exactly, that I would be going against, if I didn't make a joke about you? I didn't get any memo from the ojd troll club sorry, i speak for myself, give your head a shake.

 

[kro-magnon]

The only 'concentrates' that i've ever had that I knew what the starting material was...was dry sift. Didn't find that to be much different in terms of sedation. I didn't have enough to let it set around, so was pretty fresh. If it had aged some, I would imagine that the injured sift would oxidize quicker than fresh herb.
Oh, once I did some ice water hash that was very clean...but, it's been so long ago that I don't remember if the effects were different from the 'herb'.

I often make Ice-O or dry sift with my trim and flowers, I find the high of the resin a bit different than the high from the flowers, it is more obvious with a bit aged resin. The high from resin recently made will be very similar to the the high from flowers, after about a month it has evolved to something softer to ride. Of course depending on the nature of the plant transformed there is more or less sedation but the ride from extreme sativas can be a bit more mellow with hachich compared to the sometimes scary high flowers can have.It does not make it weaker but more comfortable if this makes sens.
I don't know a lot about rosin or BHO so I can't tell how it changes the high compared to flowers.

 

[ojd]

You're the one who makes every thread about yourself mate, I thought it was pretty clear who the joke was refering to. What should I have done, tag you? Seriously calm down lol

And again it was just a joke, you say you have crocodile skin but it's literally the opposite. How can you get so triggered by a silly joke like that? It's not like it was personal or anything.

And also I'm a sheep who is part of some kind of conspiracy to troll you by "internet people"? Because I find funny that you make every thread about yourself? Excuse me? Who are these people exactly, that I would be going against, if I didn't make a joke about you? I didn't get any memo from the ojd troll club sorry, i speak for myself, give your head a shake.

Dragging this out , you definitely want the attention, I've got enough attention already

I replied to a comment directed specifically to me , and added some extra but I was specifically direct a comment , yours was 100% troll , nothing else

 

[revegeta666]

Dragging this out , you definitely want the attention, I've got enough attention already

Oh yeah I really want that sweet ojd clout have a happy new year mate.

 

[ojd]

Oh yeah I really want that sweet ojd clout have a happy new year mate.

No you want attention from my haters , and to join the

 

[dogzter]

Ego is quite the issue within the industry.

Well @TrifektaSeeds lets see what you have done?
You certainly talk a LOT of shit for a greenhorn now show us that sexy walk of yours.











This is usually where we find out you are using one of the people you are shitting all overs watered down gear........wait for it.

 

[revegeta666]

No you want attention from my haters , and to join the

That was actually shocking to read. There is clearly a big problem here. I'm out, again no hard feelings, best of luck in the future.

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

You wanted the status of the gene pool ? There ya go
We have "breeders" here scratching their heads about the Scooby Doo mystery of how S1 from elites are bunk if they are the closest you can get
Keep the show going

Like I said, every clone or Male i use is really special, rare or exotic otherwise not used , thats what makes things special .



No not cup wins , I only ever enter a few cups in my lifetime ? , but experience and sampling many more special varieties over decades, plus touring Amsterdam Coffeshops, cups etc for decades , that's what makes me more experienced to know High quality Cannabis compared to the average Joe, for sure.


Many people find special things from my seeds , as seen ove the forums for last 2 decades, many well respected members/Growers saying they found some of the best things they ever seen, and again these people are like me and have been busy for decades growing and in the Canna scene so they seen more than the usuall smoker or grower, when these people come back to me with High praise of what they found, that shows I've prodcued some excellent varieties as if it's as good or better than some of the best varieties of pasta decades nobody can deny there not quality in these seeds

My seeds are that good i don't need throw 50 seeds down , of course if I was in a legal environment and had more space I'd dream of doing big hunts but find excellent phenos just from a few packs, and people even win cups with 5 Feminized seeds I prodcued, beating all the Haze clones/selections made and entered in the largest ever Haze cup , coming 2nd to only the famous Bandaid Haze clone , not bad for 5 seeds eh.


Don't just chat your bullshit, let's hear which breeders have done what you claim, because anyone can do F2,3,4 etc but who has done that and has any true breeding like producing winner after winner , very few, but my pack can hang with that pack anyday

"Very few but your packs can hang with them"

In other words, you mean the chance of a killer pheno popping in your packs is equal to a killer pheno hunted to uniformity from worked lines.

No one dispute this.
We dispute the chances.
For every killer pack someone is getting, how much are growing bunk ?
If every 5 pack reports back of 3+ keepers
You are a breeder.
If once a year someone found a killer pheno in your lines but many report mids and you sold thousands of packs
You are not a breeder.

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

Ego is quite the issue within the industry.

Well @TrifektaSeeds lets see what you have done?
You certainly talk a LOT of shit for a greenhorn now show us that sexy walk of yours.











This is usually where we find out you are using one of the people you are shitting all overs watered down gear........wait for it.

Oh yeah gotta have those chucks boi

 

[dogzter]

Oh yeah gotta have those chucks boi

You can just say you have nothing its ok.

All chatter,no splatter as usual.

 

[whereisbrianV.]

Variety
Selections
Cultivars

A Cultivar that produces homogenous populations takes time and work.

 

[RuBp]

Im afraid the starting point/parent material for that diagram is alot different from what you will be starting off with drug type cannabis.
A freak someone selects from a so called chuck or a breeding program is a cultivar, it can be produced as many times as you want asexually. Even if you grow something like Deep Chunk, thats the most homogenous seed population I have seen, there still will be standouts. Thats the one i want to keep growing, not the ones close to it.

 

[OleReynard]

S1's are a crap shoot they bring out the good the bad and the ugly, it's all locked in there waiting for someone to bring them out.

You want something like the original you're working with, clone it.
Otherwise you're not gonna get an exact of what you're hoping for.

 

[mudballs]

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Variety
Selections
Cultivars

A Cultivar that produces homogenous populations takes time and work.

Been looking for something like this...I've read about university crop studies and how they do plots of strains (soybean,rice,etc.), but i never could find a "lay-out" ,...or way for me to do it on my property. Have bunch of land but not settled on best execution...i want pheno hunts in numbers..but then what?...now i know how to do it! (Hat tip) ...you need a coffee?

 

[kro-magnon]

S1's are a crap shoot they bring out the good the bad and the ugly, it's all locked in there waiting for someone to bring them out.

You want something like the original you're working with, clone it.
Otherwise you're not gonna get an exact of what you're hoping for.

There is also better individuals locked in the S1 not just worst ones, I don't know what the % will be but you'll get, worst plants, plants of equivalent quality and better ones compared to the plant selfed. I find S1 a very interesting tool to explore the genetics of a keeper. I guess the way the keeper was bred will have an influence in the genetic recombinaisons, the more the line is worked the less variations you'll have in S1's so less chance of worst plants but also less better ones.

 

[Bona Fortuna]

Been looking for something like this...I've read about university crop studies and how they do plots of strains (soybean,rice,etc.), but i never could find a "lay-out" ,...or way for me to do it on my property. Have bunch of land but not settled on best execution...i want pheno hunts in numbers..but then what?...now i know how to do it! (Hat tip) ...you need a coffee?

I believe this is Sam’s breeding layout, not exactly sure where I sourced this from. I’ve had this on my phone for a long while at this point.

 

[mudballs]

Thnx @Bona Fortuna , referencing my lay-out comment you can see 7 rows of a dedicated system consuming about 1/4 of acre easily...maybe more (length vs width per filial gen population)..i just block out 7 rows and they each feed the next row. Selection can be described by both your pic and brianV's....but i just walk that block picking and killing off...i dont reintroduce a new line in headrow 1 and start chasing my tail...that 1/4 acre runs my work for that line and that's it for the next 9yrs...i think...i like where this is pushing me

 

[wisemadman]

You wanted the status of the gene pool ? There ya go
We have "breeders" here scratching their heads about the Scooby Doo mystery of how S1 from elites are bunk if they are the closest you can get
Keep the show going

"Very few but your packs can hang with them"

In other words, you mean the chance of a killer pheno popping in your packs is equal to a killer pheno hunted to uniformity from worked lines.

No one dispute this.
We dispute the chances.
For every killer pack someone is getting, how much are growing bunk ?
If every 5 pack reports back of 3+ keepers
You are a breeder.
If once a year someone found a killer pheno in your lines but many report mids and you sold thousands of packs
You are not a breeder.

well i am no breeder but i guess it depends by your definition of keepers, if the seeds give uniform phenotypes then we're talking about IBLs which come with their pros and cons, biggest cons is having a really small genepool being mostly homozygous.
i believe that in the end it all comes to personal tastes, for example i've grown zkittlez years ago , many people love it, i think its a shitty plant with decent taste but the high is completely worthless to me, same thing with all the cookies drama.

 

[OleReynard]

There is also better individuals locked in the S1 not just worst ones, I don't know what the % will be but you'll get, worst plants, plants of equivalent quality and better ones compared to the plant selfed. I find S1 a very interesting tool to explore the genetics of a keeper. I guess the way the keeper was bred will have an influence in the genetic recombinaisons, the more the line is worked the less variations you'll have in S1's so less chance of worst plants but also less better ones.

I believe i had already said that --the good the bad and the ugly