2024 State of the genepool discussion.

[ramse]

You're really losing your focal point.

You're on some altruistic righteous war against expensive seeds. We get it. We all hate it.

Out of all the recent posts you've made you still haven't really narrowed it down to a coherent post about what makes a "elite" an elite.

And the fact that you don't think "elites" should be used for breeding is just absolutely wild to me. Like beyond wild.

I just can't wrap my head around it.

here we are talking about having a goal in mind. if you don't have sisters of that elite and you can't test their progeny it's obvious that you start from that elite if it represents your idea of a parent. the problem is that most do nothing but continue to take elite polyhybrid cuttings, self-fertilize them or hybridize them with some of their stallions. no goal, some in hindsight write a description of a couple of lines, like: our male has improved the structure etc... but most don't even bother with this... but yes, marijuana flowers come out, more or less scented and frozen and this in the end is all that the vast majority of growers are interested in evidently. but it is clear to everyone that in addition to having increasingly similar things, along the way something has also been lost regarding the high. plants yes, super frozen, photogenic and with high THC, but they lack that full high.

 

[Nannymouse]

you may be surprised how concentrates tame "wild up weed" and make it sedative and not scary

you may be surprised how concentrates tame "wild up weed" and make it sedative and not scary

The only 'concentrates' that i've ever had that I knew what the starting material was...was dry sift. Didn't find that to be much different in terms of sedation. I didn't have enough to let it set around, so was pretty fresh. If it had aged some, I would imagine that the injured sift would oxidize quicker than fresh herb.
Oh, once I did some ice water hash that was very clean...but, it's been so long ago that I don't remember if the effects were different from the 'herb'.

 

[silverhazefiend]

A lot of the older strains don’t breed true the newer ones like Runtz and the candy stuff tends to breed better and easier I’m not an advocate for cookies it’s just facts . Without heavy work and selection breeding with the older cuts like og / sour/ haze even blueberry does not breed true hence why these are the ones people have lost and are always looking for or a upgrade

Speaking from experience I found more candy keepers in less seeds than all of the elite stuff the closest I got to some kill og is mb15 xRuntz (go figure) and a Tahoe bagseed I got from from a lb I found 4 seeds in about 2 years I was getting it ..and another bagseed from some sour og which might have just been chem 4 renamed for my market ..people make a living off seeds so they have to make what the market is buying

I think it was 2009-2010 the fem waves hit and this is a good example I seen breeders say there never making fems and then 2015 came and u couldn’t really make money without fems ..I remember when lowryder came out and people shitted on autos 15 years later people Make autos that look like photos .. You also have people making seed who have never smoked the elites so there baseline is flawed btwn fake cuts and politics a lot of truth gets buried

 

[whereisbrianV.]

While practices may not be advancing the data from cannabis availability will lead to a deeper understanding of what we desire from the plant. This understanding will slowly lead to better practices.

 

[H e d g e]

you may be surprised how concentrates tame "wild up weed" and make it sedative and not scary

Delta9 has a biphasic dose response, not sure this is true of the stronger agonists we don’t test for, thcp ect.
No point in making seeds with ‘elites’, cbd and or delta9 depending on selection will increase with every generation at the expense of all others, tolerance, sedation in high doses.
You need to start with something unrelated to skunk og or hemp if you want to make seeds, otherwise it’s just a lottery with decreasing odds of finding anything but these two.

 

[FTL]

@whereisbrianV.
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this ^^^^
Sample sizes less than ~30 are not statistically inferable. If you’re growing one or two packs and getting 5-10 females ..... you’re pollen chucking imo

 

[whereisbrianV.]

@whereisbrianV.
While practices may not be advancing the data from cannabis availability will lead to a deeper understanding of what we desire from the plant. This understanding will slowly lead to better practices. View attachment 19122427 View attachment 19122428 View attachment 19122430


this ^^^^
Sample sizes less than ~30 are not statistically inferable. If you’re growing one or two packs and getting 5-10 females ..... you’re pollen chucking imo

If you fail to define a standard then you really haven't created anything that someone could try to preserve.

Homogenous populations which closely resemble a standard of a breed is usually the goal in a breeding project.

We must define our goals and then produce a standard for people to follow. Then the world can judge the quality of your breeding program with the fruits of your seeds.

 

[RuBp]

I just look for the freaks, i dont care if they come from a "chuck" or someones "breeding project", I dont care if the freaks offspring are true to type or not, I can make as many plants of/from the freak as I need. Peaches,pears, pnuts,potatoes,tons of ornamentals, etc. Most if not all of them are just the freaks that were found in populations that are not true to type, hence they all are propogated vegetatively.

 

[ramse]

yes but by constantly mixing the same soup, without doing any real breeding, you will get more and more "freaks" who are the representation of the reason why this thread was opened

 

[stunkfrunk]

Yh I get that OJ, I’m not up on breeding as such although enjoy making seeds myself and have come up with some amazing phenos as well as amazing fuck ups ! Like mostly males or hermaphroditism.

So I’ve been growing since ‘86 and observations on all these poly hybrids bred with polyhybrids and for decades seems to have dulled most of the resin profiles into a homogeneous mix of boring high and stones. So I have spent the last decade sourcing seeds that reflect my best experiences in growing from seed which was the period of. the 90’s and since about mid 2000’s stuff was getting bland as fuck. Fortunately I picked up the cheese clone. ( exo ) and then when fed up with that trip got hold of Bristol Black Kush in my hometown which then was Bristol.

So you were one of the seed makers I started to try out amongst some of the boring mass produced varietals I was trying. I’m validating what you are saying and my experience with quite a few packs I’ve grown and a few I’ve shown on here, mango cheese and dangerous dog has been a 9/10 experience. I still have a keeper dangerous dog and now two British Petroleum. It’s not just I that grows these out as I’ve passed a few of these as clones out to my limited grower friends.

 

[ojd]

Yh I get that OJ, I’m not up on breeding as such although enjoy making seeds myself and have come up with some amazing phenos as well as amazing fuck ups ! Like mostly males or hermaphroditism.

So I’ve been growing since ‘86 and observations on all these poly hybrids bred with polyhybrids and for decades seems to have dulled most of the resin profiles into a homogeneous mix of boring high and stones. So I have spent the last decade sourcing seeds that reflect my best experiences in growing from seed which was the period of. the 90’s and since about mid 2000’s stuff was getting bland as fuck. Fortunately I picked up the cheese clone. ( exo ) and then when fed up with that trip got hold of Bristol Black Kush in my hometown which then was Bristol.

So you were one of the seed makers I started to try out amongst some of the boring mass produced varietals I was trying. I’m validating what you are saying and my experience with quite a few packs I’ve grown and a few I’ve shown on here, mango cheese and dangerous dog has been a 9/10 experience. I still have a keeper dangerous dog and now two British Petroleum. It’s not just I that grows these out as I’ve passed a few of these as clones out to my limited grower friends.

Glad to hear
As same as I said to a customer the other day( who been growing for decades and said the SSSTN was his best strain in the field this year ) it's great to hear from older generation who experienced many varieties in there lifetime, that you found somethings special from my seeds as you guys sample alot over the years , and especially since the scene is becoming very same in genetics in the mass market.

Appreciate you posting up your experience ( really helps with people speaking up good or bad on our seeds , pics or not , so we can hear feedback and learn more)

 

[revegeta666]

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[TrifektaSeeds]

Damn

You are adorable, keep it up the laughs are awesome.

Keep posting emoji bro, your brain ends at that its clear to all
Why don't u go to the kiddo section, no doubt intelligence and wisdom is not your cup of tea.

You're really losing your focal point.

You're on some altruistic righteous war against expensive seeds. We get it. We all hate it.

Out of all the recent posts you've made you still haven't really narrowed it down to a coherent post about what makes a "elite" an elite.

And the fact that you don't think "elites" should be used for breeding is just absolutely wild to me. Like beyond wild.

I just can't wrap my head around it.

Listen bro, you need to start reading
I thought you are a straight shooter but you got some things crooked
"And the fact that you don't think "elites" should be used for breeding is just absolutely wild to me"
Wtf ?
I always claimed you need to start from the elite cut you hold when you venture into seed making !
You are too high brother, read more, smoke less
I just said, the specific elite plant you started with, the actual plant, is not the one your gonna make true S1 or F1 when you end up selling it's seeds.
It's another plant, birthed from the elite cut you hold, bred until the seed stock shows the elite you started with.
Not hard to understand.

The seeds I offer are mostly to show you the special and specific parents I've used, a new breed is not created in F1 or even F2 -F3 etc etc.
it's stabilising certain traits your trying to achieve and work towards .
A rare phenotype that pops up in these offspring and then worked extensively to lock in , that you can claim as your specific breed or strain you created entirely.

You are right, but we don't wanna see unspecial and unspecific parents, we want to see both parents (elites used) or a perfect mix of them both, just chucking them is not special and not specific, it's a crapshoot.

The parents or Females i use i class as very special and superior to what you see and most people ever get to experience in there lifetime ( not Connoisseur's like us i mean your average smoker or grower as there is alot of mediocre Cannabis varieties in the Cannabis scene) and alot of Cannabis is grown by mass producers for the commercial market , so most people ( who are not Cannabis Connoisseur's) don't get to experience such exotic strains that we Connoisseur's seek out, smoke and work with.

So ? Almost every chuck begins with the chucker having in their mind "my cut is elite"
What makes your different ?
That you won some cups ?
You forget that the cuts claiming those cups are stuff thats popping 1:1,000,000 and thats what this whole subject is about.
We are looking for consistency, not chances of maybe special things that may or may not rise from random crosses

F1 you see phenotypes of both parents and mixed phenos and as I mentioned just now and in my writings every strain I make seeds with i regard as exceptional Cannabis, wether it's the exceptional Taste or High , and ideally both , but to me it need to have a specific extra special quality to get space in the flower room and especially the breeding room .

How... You don't even grow numbers of your crosses.. so you regarding to it as exceptional is just a hype name game... Oh I have TK, it's the bomb...
Yes the OG cut is the bomb, but how can you know what the seeds carry ?

I know I'm not any special breeder and never claimed it ( I don't think any breeders are special), I just work with exotic Cannabis varieties( like other seedmakers)that most don't have access to and offer them in seed form, for people to experience these specific traits/Phenos i place much higher than the everyday Cannabis varieties that are sold by mass market under 100 different names but many of today's varieties are very similar and boring

Some breeders are special, because they take the time to work their goals whether it's bud or seeds
And some just relay on chance.

 

[ojd]

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ME.

I replied to a comment for me ? , you seem to be me me me trying to get attention

 

[mudballs]

You forget that the cuts claiming those cups are stuff thats popping 1:1,000,000
I'll remind the audience OJD got 2nd place in a contest...which means he scored a 2:1,000,000 and not by chuckers paradise standards

 

[revegeta666]

I replied to a comment for me ? , you seem to be me me me trying to get attention

Who, ME?

It's just a joke mate, no hard feelings

 

[ojd]

Keep posting emoji bro, your brain ends at that its clear to all
Why don't u go to the kiddo section, no doubt intelligence and wisdom is not your cup of tea.


Listen bro, you need to start reading
I thought you are a straight shooter but you got some things crooked
"And the fact that you don't think "elites" should be used for breeding is just absolutely wild to me"
Wtf ?
I always claimed you need to start from the elite cut you hold when you venture into seed making !
You are too high brother, read more, smoke less
I just said, the specific elite plant you started with, the actual plant, is not the one your gonna make true S1 or F1 when you end up selling it's seeds.
It's another plant, birthed from the elite cut you hold, bred until the seed stock shows the elite you started with.
Not hard to understand.

You are right, but we don't wanna see unspecial and unspecific parents, we want to see both parents (elites used) or a perfect mix of them both, just chucking them is not special and not specific, it's a crapshoot.

So ? Almost every chuck begins with the chucker having in their mind "my cut is elite"
What makes your different ?
That you won some cups ?
You forget that the cuts claiming those cups are stuff thats popping 1:1,000,000 and thats what this whole subject is about.
We are looking for consistency, not chances of maybe special things that may or may not rise from random crosses


How... You don't even grow numbers of your crosses.. so you regarding to it as exceptional is just a hype name game... Oh I have TK, it's the bomb...
Yes the OG cut is the bomb, but how can you know what the seeds carry ?

Some breeders are special, because they take the time to work their goals whether it's bud or seeds
And some just relay on chance.

Like I said, every clone or Male i use is really special, rare or exotic otherwise not used , thats what makes things special .



No not cup wins , I only ever enter a few cups in my lifetime ? , but experience and sampling many more special varieties over decades, plus touring Amsterdam Coffeshops, cups etc for decades , that's what makes me more experienced to know High quality Cannabis compared to the average Joe, for sure.


Many people find special things from my seeds , as seen ove the forums for last 2 decades, many well respected members/Growers saying they found some of the best things they ever seen, and again these people are like me and have been busy for decades growing and in the Canna scene so they seen more than the usuall smoker or grower, when these people come back to me with High praise of what they found, that shows I've prodcued some excellent varieties as if it's as good or better than some of the best varieties of pasta decades nobody can deny there not quality in these seeds

My seeds are that good i don't need throw 50 seeds down , of course if I was in a legal environment and had more space I'd dream of doing big hunts but find excellent phenos just from a few packs, and people even win cups with 5 Feminized seeds I prodcued, beating all the Haze clones/selections made and entered in the largest ever Haze cup , coming 2nd to only the famous Bandaid Haze clone , not bad for 5 seeds eh.


Don't just chat your bullshit, let's hear which breeders have done what you claim, because anyone can do F2,3,4 etc but who has done that and has any true breeding like producing winner after winner , very few, but my pack can hang with that pack anyday

 

[ojd]

Who, ME?

It's just a joke mate, no hard feelings

Jokes are openly with a joke at the end , you Internet guys love to leave a joke , with no mention that it's a joke , and let people believe one thing , when it's actually another thing , grow some and admit who your talking to , instead of little girly memes leaving people guessing who you talking about
Internet wimps , scare to go against the sheep , there some many of these Internet wimps these days

I understand you need crocodile skin like me to speak your mind , as get trolled hard , but please , speak your mind good or bad

 

[Rgd]

with no mention that it's a joke ,

imho just a good fun ribbing ...to keep ye humble...

and jetlife started the original thread...

cross the ocean hugs and carry on bro

 

[revegeta666]

crocodile skin like me

Thanks for the laugh mate this joke was a lot funnier than mine