2024 State of the genepool discussion.

[ramse]

You're really losing your focal point.

You're on some altruistic righteous war against expensive seeds. We get it. We all hate it.

Out of all the recent posts you've made you still haven't really narrowed it down to a coherent post about what makes a "elite" an elite.

And the fact that you don't think "elites" should be used for breeding is just absolutely wild to me. Like beyond wild.

I just can't wrap my head around it.

here we are talking about having a goal in mind. if you don't have sisters of that elite and you can't test their progeny it's obvious that you start from that elite if it represents your idea of a parent. the problem is that most do nothing but continue to take elite polyhybrid cuttings, self-fertilize them or hybridize them with some of their stallions. no goal, some in hindsight write a description of a couple of lines, like: our male has improved the structure etc... but most don't even bother with this... but yes, marijuana flowers come out, more or less scented and frozen and this in the end is all that the vast majority of growers are interested in evidently. but it is clear to everyone that in addition to having increasingly similar things, along the way something has also been lost regarding the high. plants yes, super frozen, photogenic and with high THC, but they lack that full high.

 

[Nannymouse]

you may be surprised how concentrates tame "wild up weed" and make it sedative and not scary

you may be surprised how concentrates tame "wild up weed" and make it sedative and not scary

The only 'concentrates' that i've ever had that I knew what the starting material was...was dry sift. Didn't find that to be much different in terms of sedation. I didn't have enough to let it set around, so was pretty fresh. If it had aged some, I would imagine that the injured sift would oxidize quicker than fresh herb.
Oh, once I did some ice water hash that was very clean...but, it's been so long ago that I don't remember if the effects were different from the 'herb'.

 

[silverhazefiend]

A lot of the older strains don’t breed true the newer ones like Runtz and the candy stuff tends to breed better and easier I’m not an advocate for cookies it’s just facts . Without heavy work and selection breeding with the older cuts like og / sour/ haze even blueberry does not breed true hence why these are the ones people have lost and are always looking for or a upgrade

Speaking from experience I found more candy keepers in less seeds than all of the elite stuff the closest I got to some kill og is mb15 xRuntz (go figure) and a Tahoe bagseed I got from from a lb I found 4 seeds in about 2 years I was getting it ..and another bagseed from some sour og which might have just been chem 4 renamed for my market ..people make a living off seeds so they have to make what the market is buying

I think it was 2009-2010 the fem waves hit and this is a good example I seen breeders say there never making fems and then 2015 came and u couldn’t really make money without fems ..I remember when lowryder came out and people shitted on autos 15 years later people Make autos that look like photos .. You also have people making seed who have never smoked the elites so there baseline is flawed btwn fake cuts and politics a lot of truth gets buried

 

[whereisbrianV.]

While practices may not be advancing the data from cannabis availability will lead to a deeper understanding of what we desire from the plant. This understanding will slowly lead to better practices.

 

[H e d g e]

you may be surprised how concentrates tame "wild up weed" and make it sedative and not scary

Delta9 has a biphasic dose response, not sure this is true of the stronger agonists we don’t test for, thcp ect.
No point in making seeds with ‘elites’, cbd and or delta9 depending on selection will increase with every generation at the expense of all others, tolerance, sedation in high doses.
You need to start with something unrelated to skunk og or hemp if you want to make seeds, otherwise it’s just a lottery with decreasing odds of finding anything but these two.

 

[FTL]

@whereisbrianV.
While practices may not be advancing the data from cannabis availability will lead to a deeper understanding of what we desire from the plant. This understanding will slowly lead to better practices. View attachment 19122427 View attachment 19122428 View attachment 19122430


this ^^^^
Sample sizes less than ~30 are not statistically inferable. If you’re growing one or two packs and getting 5-10 females ..... you’re pollen chucking imo