2024 State of the genepool discussion.

[TrifektaSeeds]

clones are selected not made

Elites are made clones.

How do you think elite clones are created ? Besides those that accidentally pop...

You can make a stable clone
You can cross a potent with taste, after that with smell, whatever, slowly creating the clone you aspire to.

That only means you made a clone that carries the traits you selected

That what it means to make a clone or a strain.

and imho by the a”breeders”has a stable variety..its stable mediocrity

The seeds are stable mediocrity, the clones are elite and just fine (if we believe them)
Most of those clones are just not breed true specimens
They flower true, that's why they are elite smoke, not elite donors or breeders
Like I said before, there's a huge difference in the clone you use for smoking (your elite clone) to the clone you'll end up making seeds from, although you try to reach 1:1 in your breeding purposes, they are different clones at the end.

selfed clones are more to the point imho but aren’t exactly saving the gene pool lol

Yes they are better then any cross with a male or fem that's fosure, if you trying to keep it within that genetic variation at least, but every clone has its false/true breeding to an extant
Elites are called that way because of the smoke, not how they breed
So more stabilization is required, no matter how elite your cut is.

only real way to keep the/" gold "is keep the original male and female

or self that glory cut..

its just my view..

Hmm only so far, as if they are far from breeding true the chances you'll get something like the P1 is very very far, like we said, 1:100,000 if your lucky or 1:1,000,000 if your not

People don't understand how much plant count matters, it's impossible to breed true the polyhybrids of today with low plant counts
I mean you can but it will take forever !
If you only have 50 to choose from and each cycle you only choosing the trait you want (stabilizing) or even worse not finding even the one trait you most want that will set you back 4 months easy.
Oppose to high numbers, where you select from 1000 plants and narrow down your gene pool fast and effective.

 

[Brother Nature]

I’ve noticed the resin with LED grown buds tend to be more sandy even on old genetics. In my last run I had a Skunk with sandy resin. I don’t know if it is due to her genetics or the light or a mix of both. I will try to grow the same cut under LED and HPS to see how the resin glands are under different light sources.

I had an interesting experience with an older bubblegum cut I ran under both CMH and led recently too. The resin profiles weren't really different, it was kinda sandy/sticky under both lights, but the plant reacted very differently in both environments. The resin started showing weeks earlier under the LED's and was much more dense through the grow, but the LED plants developed a major potassium deficiency that the CMH plants didn't get. The LED plants still ended up looking more desirable in the end, though are still drying so I'm not sure of the difference in final product quality. I ran another zkittles cross in both environments, same soil, good environmental factors for each run and it had no difference in either environment.

Makes me stoned wonder if the older, more desirable strains from the "better" days aren't as responsive to newer growth methods as those breeding parameters weren't around during those selections so could be contributing to them not being used as often these days.

 

[numberguy]

Those just magically appeared ?

No magic involved just the best you can procure what ever you consider the best.

The right seeds are the seeds people selected from thousands of plants in order to speed up the selection process

How do you select from thousands of plants? just by looks and smell? I can only smoke test one a day thats years to test just the females and how are you testing 500 males before they drop pollen, to find the ones that pass on the high? Females can be tested after being seeded but not the males, others have claimed by progeny testing, that would take decades of time.

Because instead of selecting for 1 trait at a time from a low population, you select for 2-3-4 traits from a large pool
I only select for one trait, the high, anything else can be added or selected for later.

Yes, only in the start, after that if you wanna make seeds outta it you need to breed in order to get to your original clone in seed form
I have the original clone so I dont need it in seed form, I am going to breed it to the seeds it came from or another strain to make hybreds

Not the seeds you hunt as they are not on the same level until you make them so.
Some of the seeds made from the original clone should be the same or better than the original. So now I can find a new clone to either continue inbreeding or if a hybred for production.

You have no idea what you are talking about really
If you understand my words, then I do have some idea of what I speak.
Sorry to messed up the reply I didnt want to start over.

 

[numberguy]

You can get those from carnivals

Not where I am from, they went after reproductions of an old flag at our fairs, carnivals.

 

[dogzter]

During this thousand plant selection is that supposed to happen all at once a plant a day for years blind draw......... what?
Who trimmed these plants?