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2024 State of the genepool discussion.
- Thread starter JetLife175
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I agree
I dont know how MK is nowadays but 20+ years ago we used to call It "la cafetera" here in Spain.
The coffee maker lol
RequiredUsername
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But it makes some crazy F1 hybrids. Cross that with a sativa from the other side of the globe.DC hash rocks!!
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The afghans dont smoke weed no matter how well cured It is...
Brother Nature
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A lot of it comes down to the customer just not knowing much about cannabis, I had a mate recently tell me how good this imported weed he got from the US was, pulled out the bag and it had fancy graphics and shit on it, some kinda cookies cross, but the bud crumbled in his fingers which he also thought was great, and was just a harsh overly dried smoke. Sold an Oz of Sour Diesel to the same dude a few months back and he had no clue what Sour Diesel even was, his strain knowledge consisted of Og's and cookies...
RequiredUsername
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Good thought on the cross! But to me there is no point in breeding an F1 further.
I made the F3 with DC females and males leaning to the DC side
Some ppl could't believe that there was Haze in those f2 plants...
F3
RequiredUsername
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Yep, definitely some dank in those plants. Maybe 60 70 %
The haze was recessive then. Male haze?
FTL
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The power of online marketing is real.
It’s the loudest, flashiest types that seem to influence tastes the most right now.
And Americans seem to be pretty good at that hype game.
Feels all a bit soulless to me.
They’re just copying the alcho-pop/RTD route to riches. IMO they’re going to burn out a whole generation of punters on this terpy food branded junk smoke. These guys will give up smoking quick I’m picking cause they’ll get bored of the same ol.
In the Netherlands most people don’t smoke except the tourists and foreigners, teens have a blast on it then get over it quick and move on. Teens/early 20s crowd get that little bit of a rebellious naughty, anti establishment vibe from smoking Currently and in the past.
Once that Vibe gets taken out of it due to Legalisation And the overproduction of hyped boring buzz rubbish It could counterintuitively bring down cannabis use over the next couple of decades.
Genghis Kush.
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all Cannabis has been bred and selected towards a goal. But getting a tropical “sativa” ganja high off of a pure afghan hash plant would take lifetimes worth of work
i think this is correct ,
i guess if we consider what or how the ends of the spectrum are used , it can explain a few things ,
sativa is generally bred and grown with the purpose being consuming the flowers ,
indica , hash plants , its the resin that is consumed ,, not only that though ,
its a mix of many plants ,, hundreds , thousands , the collection of the resin from all those plants ,
that makes up the end product ,
so folks saying indica lacks character , well yes , it is not bred for individual plants to be consumed ,
so highly likely they will lack character ....
personally in hybrids , i think its often the sativas doing a lot of the heavy lifting with regard to the end product ...
FTL
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Exactly this! I’m surprised this isn’t mentioned more often.
It isn’t about individuals its about populations.
I would go as far to say this is true in sativa too if we think about the population on a distribution curve.
We won’t get many exceptional outliers if the gene pool is a tight(Homogenous) distribution curve.
We need the “recessive power” of seemingly crap plants to recombine together in lots of different alternating ways to make exceptional quality outliers. This would be a right skewed distribution curve or an extremely wide ranging bell curve.
It’s a numbers game. A big numbers game.
The state we are in is because of the war on drugs, forcing breeding into small spaces and doing small numbers.
Grow feilds of 10k plus of one variety and do follow up testing of similar sizes on breeding combinations selected from them and real progress will be made.
Chucking pollen in a closet is just playing around to be fair will be laughed about in the future.
And actually its -also- about genepool segregation.
1. separeted genepools (e.g. through natural barriers as continents, rivers, mountains, oceans, climate)
2. selection pressure (birds. desease, weather, smoker, random) and specialisation/adaptatiom
3. over generations, in larger populations.
It can be discussed, if interactions with other populations might be of advantage.
Minor interchange happens in nature over time any way, but limited and shows feature transmission.
Another factor is genetic mutation and evolution, that creats new features and trait. That happens constantly and slow, and is a creative
AND destructive force. In breeding, features are often supported
Breeding is major interchange of all sorts of features. This actually blows up the genotype of plants with plenty of unused genetic code. In nature, this diversity of code, that is unused propably might vanish over time.
So my guess is: thats missing in breeding: the natural cleanup function, that deletes unused genes.
However... such unused traits can also unlock over time(by mutation, or as its features where just interlocked through dependable recessive allels.
1. separeted genepools (e.g. through natural barriers as continents, rivers, mountains, oceans, climate)
2. selection pressure (birds. desease, weather, smoker, random) and specialisation/adaptatiom
3. over generations, in larger populations.
It can be discussed, if interactions with other populations might be of advantage.
Minor interchange happens in nature over time any way, but limited and shows feature transmission.
Another factor is genetic mutation and evolution, that creats new features and trait. That happens constantly and slow, and is a creative
AND destructive force. In breeding, features are often supported
Breeding is major interchange of all sorts of features. This actually blows up the genotype of plants with plenty of unused genetic code. In nature, this diversity of code, that is unused propably might vanish over time.
So my guess is: thats missing in breeding: the natural cleanup function, that deletes unused genes.
However... such unused traits can also unlock over time(by mutation, or as its features where just interlocked through dependable recessive allels.
The cannassieurs reality im breeding instead seems to be, as one can see in next to every second description
in any seed maker shop:
It usually reads:
We found some crazy sativa from columbia and crossed it with an other sativa from southafrica from 1936.
Boom! and then we found it need more resin and bang and crossed it with some
indica afghani and then some glitter smell and parfume(Mango,skunk,hash), danknes and OG.
And if the breeder is good, hesheit might have hardened it on that stage with his local weather and antipest plant.(earlyskunk?)
And on top and in the end of the process it its autoflowered and ruderalised.
And maybe efforts are taken then, to produce homogeneous populations.
But usually its crossed then with another plant, with a a similar odyssee\(before the ruderalis then)
and put out on the boulevard of boutique breeders feature catalog for sale.
And there you score the "ice princess f4"
(mango(mango(mangoXnevillle) x ((wild gorilla strawberry skittlez cough)
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total gaz.
in any seed maker shop:
It usually reads:
We found some crazy sativa from columbia and crossed it with an other sativa from southafrica from 1936.
Boom! and then we found it need more resin and bang and crossed it with some
indica afghani and then some glitter smell and parfume(Mango,skunk,hash), danknes and OG.
And if the breeder is good, hesheit might have hardened it on that stage with his local weather and antipest plant.(earlyskunk?)
And on top and in the end of the process it its autoflowered and ruderalised.
And maybe efforts are taken then, to produce homogeneous populations.
But usually its crossed then with another plant, with a a similar odyssee\(before the ruderalis then)
and put out on the boulevard of boutique breeders feature catalog for sale.
And there you score the "ice princess f4"
(mango(mango(mangoXnevillle) x ((wild gorilla strawberry skittlez cough)
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total gaz.
There are very diverging forces, obviously. Id point out, that diversity does not seem to be a problem.
A lot of heterogenity in the overbreed. That is also a great survival feature, i think. Especially, if its not a stable line, there are plenty of phenotypes to adapt to local circumstances.
I agree, that large closed populations are key to stable and create uniformity.
....That saying:
each single freak plant has everything a strain needs, propably, to survive, as a plant and to found a new strain or even genus.
So whats the problem? The extinct of haze is the leading example I think.
Landrace traits taken over by more agressive features that are out there, propably.
Desert queen vs. dessert queen.
And there is no open pollination in "agriculture" in nature. Any more.
A lot of heterogenity in the overbreed. That is also a great survival feature, i think. Especially, if its not a stable line, there are plenty of phenotypes to adapt to local circumstances.
I agree, that large closed populations are key to stable and create uniformity.
....That saying:
each single freak plant has everything a strain needs, propably, to survive, as a plant and to found a new strain or even genus.
So whats the problem? The extinct of haze is the leading example I think.
Landrace traits taken over by more agressive features that are out there, propably.
Desert queen vs. dessert queen.
And there is no open pollination in "agriculture" in nature. Any more.
