2024 State of the genepool discussion.

[bigsur51]

Yes I have smoked most of these back in the day, I sat on the beach in southern cali smoking thai, and partying in the suburban hills smoking home grown and other imports in 79 and before that lots of brick mexi and mellow jamacan and leafy homegro. Even then the good ones were few and far between. Indicas can be anything you want them to be with the proper breeding, its all the same species, a sativa can have a indica high too its all where and how its bred and selected.

suburban hills?

like Granada Hills , Sylmar , or Verdigo Hills?

what beach?

 

[Raco]

Master kush also has zero lemon in it. It's more akin to a bubba than a OG. Looks like you're the one with backwards information.

I agree

I dont know how MK is nowadays but 20+ years ago we used to call It "la cafetera" here in Spain.
The coffee maker lol

 

[RequiredUsername]

DC hash rocks!!

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The afghans dont smoke weed no matter how well cured It is...

But it makes some crazy F1 hybrids. Cross that with a sativa from the other side of the globe.

 

[Brother Nature]

A lot of it comes down to the customer just not knowing much about cannabis, I had a mate recently tell me how good this imported weed he got from the US was, pulled out the bag and it had fancy graphics and shit on it, some kinda cookies cross, but the bud crumbled in his fingers which he also thought was great, and was just a harsh overly dried smoke. Sold an Oz of Sour Diesel to the same dude a few months back and he had no clue what Sour Diesel even was, his strain knowledge consisted of Og's and cookies...

 

[Raco]

But it makes some crazy F1 hybrids. Cross that with a sativa from the other side of the globe.

I have done that
How about some DC x Haze F3? .

 

[RequiredUsername]

I have done that
How about some DC x Haze F3? .

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Good thought on the cross! But to me there is no point in breeding an F1 further.

 

[Raco]

Good thought on the cross! But to me there is no point in breeding an F1 further.

I made the F3 with DC females and males leaning to the DC side
Some ppl could't believe that there was Haze in those f2 plants...
F3

 

[RequiredUsername]

I made the F3 with DC females and males leaning to the DC side
Some ppl could't believe that there was Haze in those f2 plants...
F3
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Yep, definitely some dank in those plants. Maybe 60 70 %

The haze was recessive then. Male haze?

 

[FTL]

A lot of it comes down to the customer just not knowing much about cannabis, I had a mate recently tell me how good this imported weed he got from the US was, pulled out the bag and it had fancy graphics and shit on it, some kinda cookies cross, but the bud crumbled in his fingers which he also thought was great, and was just a harsh overly dried smoke. Sold an Oz of Sour Diesel to the same dude a few months back and he had no clue what Sour Diesel even was, his strain knowledge consisted of Og's and cookies...

The power of online marketing is real.

It’s the loudest, flashiest types that seem to influence tastes the most right now.
And Americans seem to be pretty good at that hype game.

Feels all a bit soulless to me.

They’re just copying the alcho-pop/RTD route to riches. IMO they’re going to burn out a whole generation of punters on this terpy food branded junk smoke. These guys will give up smoking quick I’m picking cause they’ll get bored of the same ol.

In the Netherlands most people don’t smoke except the tourists and foreigners, teens have a blast on it then get over it quick and move on. Teens/early 20s crowd get that little bit of a rebellious naughty, anti establishment vibe from smoking Currently and in the past.

Once that Vibe gets taken out of it due to Legalisation And the overproduction of hyped boring buzz rubbish It could counterintuitively bring down cannabis use over the next couple of decades.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

Yes I have smoked most of these back in the day, I sat on the beach in southern cali smoking thai, and partying in the suburban hills smoking home grown and other imports in 79 and before that lots of brick mexi and mellow jamacan and leafy homegro. Even then the good ones were few and far between. Indicas can be anything you want them to be with the proper breeding, its all the same species, a sativa can have a indica high too its all where and how its bred and selected.

all Cannabis has been bred and selected towards a goal. But getting a tropical “sativa” ganja high off of a pure afghan hash plant would take lifetimes worth of work

 

[Donald Mallard]

all Cannabis has been bred and selected towards a goal. But getting a tropical “sativa” ganja high off of a pure afghan hash plant would take lifetimes worth of work

i think this is correct ,
i guess if we consider what or how the ends of the spectrum are used , it can explain a few things ,

sativa is generally bred and grown with the purpose being consuming the flowers ,
indica , hash plants , its the resin that is consumed ,, not only that though ,
its a mix of many plants ,, hundreds , thousands , the collection of the resin from all those plants ,
that makes up the end product ,
so folks saying indica lacks character , well yes , it is not bred for individual plants to be consumed ,
so highly likely they will lack character ....
personally in hybrids , i think its often the sativas doing a lot of the heavy lifting with regard to the end product ...

 

[FTL]

its a mix of many plants ,, hundreds , thousands , the collection of the resin from all those plants ,
that makes up the end product ,
so folks saying indica lacks character , well yes , it is not bred for individual plants to be consumed

Exactly this! I’m surprised this isn’t mentioned more often.

It isn’t about individuals its about populations.

I would go as far to say this is true in sativa too if we think about the population on a distribution curve.
We won’t get many exceptional outliers if the gene pool is a tight(Homogenous) distribution curve.
We need the “recessive power” of seemingly crap plants to recombine together in lots of different alternating ways to make exceptional quality outliers. This would be a right skewed distribution curve or an extremely wide ranging bell curve.

It’s a numbers game. A big numbers game.

The state we are in is because of the war on drugs, forcing breeding into small spaces and doing small numbers.

Grow feilds of 10k plus of one variety and do follow up testing of similar sizes on breeding combinations selected from them and real progress will be made.

Chucking pollen in a closet is just playing around to be fair will be laughed about in the future.