Looks great! what are you gonna do about support once those branches start putting on weight
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2019 New Zealand 30lb Backyard Attempt
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pahut
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Yeah man gotta do a madness run at something in life so you've got a good pub story for years down the track haha. Yeah have taken clones off the big guerillas and a crazy indica I like to keep em going.
Will take clones of anymore good ones. Closer to harvest when can tell what plants are producing the killer nug, may take some monster crops. Will attach some pics later of the monster crop plant stalks, they're crazy and something I def wanna experiment with more.
Haha, love the reference bro.Shits looking excellent man, sucks about the hermie but happens to the best of us at times. Everything is looking on point man. Cheers for showing off a big outdoor grow in our lovely little country. After these last few posts you're making me want to move out to a little house in the bush and just grow my life away.
Haha fuckn oath bro
Considering we planted 30 or so from seeds that came from hermied/stressed plants, and only have had one hermy so far - not bad at all.
Haha no worries, it's always been a frustration for me researching NZ grows, there's very few complete from start to finish that are full of detail, so we thought we'd have a crack at it.
Go on, do it!! Haha who knows might even have the chance to get a med grow license these coming years, and organic is the in thing these days
pahut
Member
Have been thinking about this the last couple days and my thoughts so far are to use bailing twine to support the branches upwards to the center stem. For the small-medium plants anyways.
The larger ones I'm probably going to have to get in there with some timber stakes and smash them in and tie the branches to that. Not sure if we'll have the room to wrap plants in netting although we may adapt and use it somehow.
Have you got any thoughts on supporting them mate?
When I used to grow outdoor 25 years ago I used to use tomato stakes to tie branches down to so the sun would get in and make more bud sites.
pahut
Member
We started off doing that Frosty, initial plant training. But it's gotten to the stage where each plant would need 5-10 stakes, and trying to buy that many stakes from Bunnings would require a loan against the house lol.
Took a few more pics today. First couple are of a plant that's tied down sideways. I like the look of these ones, they're compact and the shoots just rise straight up. We'll see how those plants handle the weight.
Underneath the monster crop
Underneath the biggest guerilla (I'll need to do a lot of support here due to shitty training)
Took a few more pics today. First couple are of a plant that's tied down sideways. I like the look of these ones, they're compact and the shoots just rise straight up. We'll see how those plants handle the weight.
Underneath the monster crop
Underneath the biggest guerilla (I'll need to do a lot of support here due to shitty training)
These are some robust plants, and that tie-down technique is so unlike any training method I've seen in the past. These superb photographs have been inducted into my stash of bud porn, with due credit given to the photographer, of course.
You're gonna need a chainsaw to bring down that timber come harvest time, Pahut.
pahut
Member
Haha glad our plants are sexy enough to act as pin up girls in your private collection
Tied 4 or 5 more down sideways yesterday to utilize the space a bit better so we'll see how those ones progress too.
Here's a bit of a walkthrough from yesterday, getting a bit difficult to navigate now haha
https://player.vimeo.com/video/388796034
Tied 4 or 5 more down sideways yesterday to utilize the space a bit better so we'll see how those ones progress too.
Here's a bit of a walkthrough from yesterday, getting a bit difficult to navigate now haha
https://player.vimeo.com/video/388796034
Dankwolf
Active member
Looking good i cant wiat for the season to start here . best adice i can give is clean out inside waist of space branches /nods and keep up on upr pm program .
If you clean up inside of plants it will the girls that have that early flower/revege / flower issue . if you leav lowers on those girls it will take from your densisty and over all production . notice i did not say remove sun leafs they are like batterys of mobile food should you need it. Leave all leafs that have a stem longer then the second shortest leaf blade
Loving the show . i miss the days bacl when it was bagseed and the stapel strians . soon as this new legal genetic game makes it ypur way you will miss what you have now .
If you clean up inside of plants it will the girls that have that early flower/revege / flower issue . if you leav lowers on those girls it will take from your densisty and over all production . notice i did not say remove sun leafs they are like batterys of mobile food should you need it. Leave all leafs that have a stem longer then the second shortest leaf blade
Loving the show . i miss the days bacl when it was bagseed and the stapel strians . soon as this new legal genetic game makes it ypur way you will miss what you have now .
pahut
Member
Yeah man we've got to do another big clean out, they've bushed up again. Have been busy tying everything down/up to handle the incoming weight.
Thanks for the tips on cleaning them out mate, appreciated. We def want as many dense nugs as pos, the popcorn will go to extracts.
I know what you're saying mate, we're going to keep the homebrew strains going via clones. They've accustomed to our climate so much better than the NL seeds so can't wait to play around with them some more and perhaps play with some crosses. Maybe a Dutch Kiwi hybrid!
Anyways...
Feb 6 and the plants are looking good. The Jacks are still growing and starting to flower up. We've noticed that about half the Jacks have pink hairs and the rest white hairs. All came from seed from same ounce so not sure if it's phenotype or environmental factors that make it pink. I *think* the white haired ones smell a bit more skunky but I could be wrong.
Also bit of what I assume to be nute burn on a patch of 4 or 5 smaller plants. They may have got a double dose the last feed I did so am flushing with water, I think they'll bounce back.
White Jack
Pink Jack
Nute Burn
Thanks for the tips on cleaning them out mate, appreciated. We def want as many dense nugs as pos, the popcorn will go to extracts.
I know what you're saying mate, we're going to keep the homebrew strains going via clones. They've accustomed to our climate so much better than the NL seeds so can't wait to play around with them some more and perhaps play with some crosses. Maybe a Dutch Kiwi hybrid!
Anyways...
Feb 6 and the plants are looking good. The Jacks are still growing and starting to flower up. We've noticed that about half the Jacks have pink hairs and the rest white hairs. All came from seed from same ounce so not sure if it's phenotype or environmental factors that make it pink. I *think* the white haired ones smell a bit more skunky but I could be wrong.
Also bit of what I assume to be nute burn on a patch of 4 or 5 smaller plants. They may have got a double dose the last feed I did so am flushing with water, I think they'll bounce back.
White Jack
Pink Jack
Nute Burn
Sticky Sat
Active member
Hey Pahut... Nice thread and grow man... i'm always out of rep but i'd have been glad to give some here...
i could be wrong but the last pic looks more like a calcium deficiency...
Peace...
Nice thread and grow man... i'm always out of rep but i'd have been glad to give some here... i could be wrong but the last pic looks more like a calcium deficiency...
Peace...
pahut
Member
A very astute member here on ICMag who goes by the name Pumpkin pointed out that the brown hairs on the pics of the Jack I posted may be a sign of pollination.
So went out to investigate a bit closer and that would seem to be the case.
The other Jacks have swollen callyxs with no seed but this particular Jack has got swollen callyxs with seeds inside. Bro chopped a small nug off and said it's seedy, so will try a big nug tomorrow and make a decision.
Also a few branches on the big AK are showing signs, plus another lanky plant next to the AK. Have been around the rest of the plants and everything else is looking healthy and un-pollinated.
Thoughts guys?
Also pulled 3 small plants today.
One with about an ounce of re-veg nug on it that had turned seedy and one was the Ball Sativa that had flowered, rotted, had the rot chopped out, revegged, then started budding again but full of seeds.
Other was a plant that was healthy last week, but when I tied it down to cover the area of the plant that had been taken out next to it, it turned to shit. Bananas. It's the last pic and you can see how rough it is.
Some pics of the callyxs, all from the one Jack and all seeds. Last pic chopped plant.
So went out to investigate a bit closer and that would seem to be the case.
The other Jacks have swollen callyxs with no seed but this particular Jack has got swollen callyxs with seeds inside. Bro chopped a small nug off and said it's seedy, so will try a big nug tomorrow and make a decision.
Also a few branches on the big AK are showing signs, plus another lanky plant next to the AK. Have been around the rest of the plants and everything else is looking healthy and un-pollinated.
Thoughts guys?
Also pulled 3 small plants today.
One with about an ounce of re-veg nug on it that had turned seedy and one was the Ball Sativa that had flowered, rotted, had the rot chopped out, revegged, then started budding again but full of seeds.
Other was a plant that was healthy last week, but when I tied it down to cover the area of the plant that had been taken out next to it, it turned to shit. Bananas. It's the last pic and you can see how rough it is.
Some pics of the callyxs, all from the one Jack and all seeds. Last pic chopped plant.
Brother Nature
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Hey man, sorry to hear about that. From what I'm seeing on our outdoors, the less stable genetics are herming a little due to weather stress where we're at. Try looking for lady boy parts on the seeded jacks?
I'm assuming, since your plans aren't under water, that you're up in the north and experiencing the same heat and drought that's generally unusual for this time of year. We've got a few Jack cross clones outside currently exhibiting the same symptoms (they did it under stress indoors too, so not great crosses) and a few of my mates untested crosses are doing it too, but that's the point of why we put them outside this year. Are the seeded ones also the ones exhibiting nutrient deficiencies? And were all the Jacks seed or clone?
Strange to see it on an AK, but it's possible they got a little pollen spray? Also how prevalent is it, are you seeing it all over the effected plants or only in certain areas? It's not the end of the world if a few of the girls are seeded, but at least you're on to it bro.
I'm assuming, since your plans aren't under water, that you're up in the north and experiencing the same heat and drought that's generally unusual for this time of year. We've got a few Jack cross clones outside currently exhibiting the same symptoms (they did it under stress indoors too, so not great crosses) and a few of my mates untested crosses are doing it too, but that's the point of why we put them outside this year. Are the seeded ones also the ones exhibiting nutrient deficiencies? And were all the Jacks seed or clone?
Strange to see it on an AK, but it's possible they got a little pollen spray? Also how prevalent is it, are you seeing it all over the effected plants or only in certain areas? It's not the end of the world if a few of the girls are seeded, but at least you're on to it bro.
pahut
Member
Thanks mate, that would certainly seem the case. There's a whole other factor in play for us which is the soil we dug into. So many roots and shit. Some areas the soil was really weird like saw dust so I think that stuffs soaking up the heat and keeping plants in certain areas stressed, heating the roots and making the problem worse.
That's interesting your Jacks are doing the same. What are they crossed with? And have you got any current pics I can compare with?
So are yours just seeding at the callyxs or throughout the nug? Or something similar?
Our seeded ones aren't experiencing any nute issues, they're sucking up the water and nutes and at the moment all the Jacks are the most resinous of all plants. It's crazy how awesome they are already, they're definitely the plant I'm most excited for. Are yours having nute issues while your other plants don't? What do you feed them and are you running a thread on here?
With the AK I believe it's had a slight dusting, either from the Ball Sativa that was right next to that probably self pollinated, or the hermy on the other side that I ripped last week. I may have inadvertently dusted it when I walked past with the chopped herm.
And the Jack with the seedy callyxs is on the way too so I may have accidentally got that too. But it could be anything really, I was really careful when I chopped that hermy.
Not seeing it over all plants, only one area is looking dodgy. All the other Jacks which are spread right around the grow space have the big swollen callyxs too, but they've got nothing in them, no seed developing, just squeeze together and nothing.
That's interesting your Jacks are doing the same. What are they crossed with? And have you got any current pics I can compare with?
So are yours just seeding at the callyxs or throughout the nug? Or something similar?
Our seeded ones aren't experiencing any nute issues, they're sucking up the water and nutes and at the moment all the Jacks are the most resinous of all plants. It's crazy how awesome they are already, they're definitely the plant I'm most excited for. Are yours having nute issues while your other plants don't? What do you feed them and are you running a thread on here?
With the AK I believe it's had a slight dusting, either from the Ball Sativa that was right next to that probably self pollinated, or the hermy on the other side that I ripped last week. I may have inadvertently dusted it when I walked past with the chopped herm.
And the Jack with the seedy callyxs is on the way too so I may have accidentally got that too. But it could be anything really, I was really careful when I chopped that hermy.
Not seeing it over all plants, only one area is looking dodgy. All the other Jacks which are spread right around the grow space have the big swollen callyxs too, but they've got nothing in them, no seed developing, just squeeze together and nothing.
pahut
Member
Hey Pahut...
i could be wrong but the last pic looks more like a calcium deficiency...
Peace...
Thanks mate good vibes all round
You could be right bout that, will investigate further tomorrow, cheers bud!
To me they look overfertilized, don't know what your nute regime is but I would have cut the N a month ago. All the different sizes and flowering times would wreck havoc in my watering and feeding cycles. I like to mix one mixture and feed everybody with it. I always have outliers that are on slightly different schedules but never many. With all your plants being outliers it's got to be difficult.
To translate my northern hemisphere cycle to your southern cycle, for Nov-Jan I'd feed N, along with whatever micro nutrients, seaweeds, magnesium, calcium, humic acid, etc I feel like feeding them. After Feb 1 no more N, or very very small amounts. Only P,K and molasses for the month of February. Then from March first on no more food, just water. If I feel they need it I might give them a bit more P and K, maybe some molasses, especially for later flowering stuff, the first couple weeks of the month. By mid March definitely only water.
Your plants started flowering a month or two early though. It would throw off my calendar. A lot of the small plants probably haven't needed N for a while. Once they get deep into flowering I want the leaves changing color, especially the older ones. Every day I want to be pulling off yellow leaves. I don't want to turn this into a debate about 'flushing', everyone has their own opinion, but growing outdoors nutrients linger in the soil much longer then indoors. Especially compared to hydroponics. If you're using salty chemical fertilizers outdoors in soil there's a lot of time-release going on. Most organic fertilizers linger in the soil for a long time as well, I feel it takes two weeks before you see the results. Indoors the changes are almost instantaneous.
The last flowering picture you posted, the fucked up crinkle leaf. All sorts of things can cause that, from viruses, over-fertilization, micro-nutrient deficiency, genetic mutations, mites. As long as no other plants are doing the same thing I'd write it off. There's too many variables to nail down a cause. You've still got a long, long way to go. You haven't reached the Fall equinox, it's still a month away, I'm guessing almost all your stuff will need to go at least that far and some will go a month longer.
One of the biggest mistakes growers make is harvesting early. I had a terrible time waiting it out because the weather was terrible. All my plants were starting to rot but I couldn't harvest. My buddy thought I was crazy. I knew it'd be shitty if I did, no potency. I ended up losing half my crop but the stuff I did pull in was excellent. This is why you always want to plant out more then you need. A little rain and mold won't ruin the crop. What's the point of growing plants for 6 months if you can't wait two more weeks for them to reach peak potency?
To translate my northern hemisphere cycle to your southern cycle, for Nov-Jan I'd feed N, along with whatever micro nutrients, seaweeds, magnesium, calcium, humic acid, etc I feel like feeding them. After Feb 1 no more N, or very very small amounts. Only P,K and molasses for the month of February. Then from March first on no more food, just water. If I feel they need it I might give them a bit more P and K, maybe some molasses, especially for later flowering stuff, the first couple weeks of the month. By mid March definitely only water.
Your plants started flowering a month or two early though. It would throw off my calendar. A lot of the small plants probably haven't needed N for a while. Once they get deep into flowering I want the leaves changing color, especially the older ones. Every day I want to be pulling off yellow leaves. I don't want to turn this into a debate about 'flushing', everyone has their own opinion, but growing outdoors nutrients linger in the soil much longer then indoors. Especially compared to hydroponics. If you're using salty chemical fertilizers outdoors in soil there's a lot of time-release going on. Most organic fertilizers linger in the soil for a long time as well, I feel it takes two weeks before you see the results. Indoors the changes are almost instantaneous.
The last flowering picture you posted, the fucked up crinkle leaf. All sorts of things can cause that, from viruses, over-fertilization, micro-nutrient deficiency, genetic mutations, mites. As long as no other plants are doing the same thing I'd write it off. There's too many variables to nail down a cause. You've still got a long, long way to go. You haven't reached the Fall equinox, it's still a month away, I'm guessing almost all your stuff will need to go at least that far and some will go a month longer.
One of the biggest mistakes growers make is harvesting early. I had a terrible time waiting it out because the weather was terrible. All my plants were starting to rot but I couldn't harvest. My buddy thought I was crazy. I knew it'd be shitty if I did, no potency. I ended up losing half my crop but the stuff I did pull in was excellent. This is why you always want to plant out more then you need. A little rain and mold won't ruin the crop. What's the point of growing plants for 6 months if you can't wait two more weeks for them to reach peak potency?
pahut
Member
We haven't been ferting too hard but that could be the case - I honestly don't know as I don't have the e exp. It is difficult lol so we haven't really adopted an approach of a strict feeding regime or too much individual plant attention.
Thankyou for detailing your feed regime in Southern Hemi terms lol appreciate it mate. We'll take into consideration when you stop your feeds etc.
Good to know bout the yellow leaves. Other people were saying it's too early for yellow leaves, but I was always under the assumption that they're going to do that coz the nitrogens getting less - which is correct.
Yeah there's still 3 or 4 more with the fucked up crinkle leaf, they've got more space around them so will keep them going with an eye on them and see if they straighten up. They're GSC clones so should be fine to keep them going without risk of them pollinating anything.
And yeah hoping we don't have to pull anything too early. With the density of plants rot is going to be something we're going to have issues with I bet. At least majority are covered and wont get rain on them, but the humidity will be up.
Thanks for taking the time to reply Rev you've got some good advice mate
Thankyou for detailing your feed regime in Southern Hemi terms lol appreciate it mate. We'll take into consideration when you stop your feeds etc.
Good to know bout the yellow leaves. Other people were saying it's too early for yellow leaves, but I was always under the assumption that they're going to do that coz the nitrogens getting less - which is correct.
Yeah there's still 3 or 4 more with the fucked up crinkle leaf, they've got more space around them so will keep them going with an eye on them and see if they straighten up. They're GSC clones so should be fine to keep them going without risk of them pollinating anything.
And yeah hoping we don't have to pull anything too early. With the density of plants rot is going to be something we're going to have issues with I bet. At least majority are covered and wont get rain on them, but the humidity will be up.
Thanks for taking the time to reply Rev you've got some good advice mate
