2015 A5HazeBX and LTD's Project Thread.

[RandomMan]

Sour Orange Diesel (jah)
RM Nigerian Refhresed by Bodhi
Old Sage
Orange Diesel (motarebel)
African Haze (JJ topdawg)
Jack O Nesia X The Doors
Old Old Haze#1 (dutch)
Old Old Haze#2 (Dutch)
Top44 (dutch)
Citral (dutch)
Sour Haze 2006 auction Chedar Berry Farm
Agent Orange x Pynamite Shiva banana man

All of these are interesting to me from the seed stash you listed.

Cannot wait to see what you pick for the LTD's.

 

[Guest58392]

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[greenghost420]

i like the sounds of the african haze and the sour jack. good luck on youre project K!

 

[Doc D]

Super excited for this project...

Thanks for your dedication to providing excellent genetics to the community

 

[Shizzlenator]

Hey Mr. Karma
i do love this project.
I would try
-Delta 9 (MB Cut)
-SSSDH (ojd)
-SweetSkunk (Sol cut)
-Destroyer (Cannabiogen)

Keep on doing the good work, i will smoke some Happy brother now

Greetings

 

[Yo Sammy]

Karma

I'm very excited too see the plan unfolding infront of us . I read your plan of the project on your site in the interview section an was very happy


I mentioned before trying to reverse the A5 , not sure why others haven't mentioned this and what the difficulties or possibility would be . My thought is in keepin it pure as possible


The list of possible matings are interesting but I'd keep it as close to somthin that would only inhance growth patterns an not take away from taste an effects . I think OG's are a bad idea


Ace seeds - purple haze Malawi which seems to carry heavy haze traits . Also the pure Malawi might be a great attribute considering the reports of the mentioned cross

Cannabiogen - punto Roja I think would be an amazing cross

JJnyc topdawg seeds - African haze uses an old Malawi with the nigerian an has A5 sibiling HzC in the mix aswell could bring some fire . I think the Nigerian haze which uses a TFD ORiginal haze Male would be sic aswell . The Nigerian is a solid producer with a decent flowering time

Just my 2cents but I hope it's not a crazy poly hybrid with a cross of the same old

Best wishes , keep us posted

I gotta ask again please some pics of A5 when possible

1luvbigherb

Hey bh,

Yeps bro, OG's arnt the best choice to use, quite the contrary even. I just grew out 5 of Karma's A5/WhiteOG to check em out, got 3 fems, 1 not germing and 1 male. The OG was the dominator. Same thing with the CBHz/A5, sad to say i didnt see the A5 shine true in any of them.

I believe Karma has the AG13 clone so why cant he use this beauty for the BX? Dust her with a nice white/A5 male, A5 dom preferably or the late flowering male and BX it to the original.

That is IF the A5 is actually A5 which i highly doubt. Most probably its a C5 cut that got mislabeled in the late '90's when the real A5 vanished due to, ......, yeps you got it, wrong labeling.....
But hey, i don't rule it out completely, some miracles may happen.... Its just very unlikely.

I know the south old dutch Nev crew very well since the early '90's and not one of these guys has the A5 anymore since the late '90's, some folks still name the clone only they received from them A5 but like i said its not, in the best case scenario its the C5 cut. None of these folks did this on purpose cause they asked for an A5 cut and the got an A5 cut. But bc the A5 got mislabeled and was actually C5 it took a while before folks starting to notice this. It takes a while to flower them and not many growers were experienced enough to notice the difference between these two. Only the more experienced growers noticed that the A5 was actually C5, like myself. So i grew out every single A5 cut i could find and every time it was C5, after 5 years of growing A5 and harvesting C5 every time it started to get clear that the A5 got mislabeled when making new moms. Back then only Bonk had the originals and he had to involve another guy in it due to police harassment. This other guy, being inexperienced in these things fucked it up and since then the A5 is not among us anymore.
After that i looked for it all over Holland, Maastricht area, Amsterdam area, Rotterdam area, meeting many people that received A5. Each "A5" cut i received form these people i flowered with enthusiasm, but i never found the real deal again. In the best cases it was C5.

So whatever the case, good luck with it Karma. Don't matter anywayz, i guess nobody can verify the authenticity of A5 anymore now a days. But believe one thing, when it is still around here or anywhere for that matter, people would talk about it, its the worlds most powerful hybrid made, blowing any toker, well experienced or not out of their socks. (Real) Amnesia haze doesnt even comes remotely close. So if this cut was still alive smokers would notice the devastating power of it, and sadly since the late '90 they don't!

But like i said maybe a miracle occurred and someone who i havnt encountered so far kept this cut around, not sharing it with anyone, which is strange cause i believe you told me the cut came from the boys of south holland right....?
Lets just say for the sake of it that you do have the real deal. Then don't use any indy dom strain to dust it. Use a nice Sat dom strain, preferably an african one cause A5 or NL5xHzA would be made up ou of a Thai/Mex/Columbian/Indian mix but no African genes in it so far.
Malawi would be a nice choice, the nigerian would be great to or the Durban.
Give them a go and try to dust yr A5 with some African sat dom pollen making sure the sat dom genes will stay sat dom and the high will be like fkcn incredible.

I also have some nice things to play with if you are interested, like C5xMalawi, C5 S1, NevHz (vintage cut), NevHz(VC)xMalawi, HashPlantHaze(VC), AG13(VC), AG13xOrtega and many more.....

You know where to reach me right....?

Best vibes and good luck with yr project. Hope yr A5 is the actuall one bro, been looking for her for over 15 years now, i miss her, bout time i got her back.

Sam

 

[bigherb]

Karma G


This is YS who ive spoke of

The most knowledgeable OG on the net of the OSH .

He spoke of all the truth before Nevil Confirmed them during his short time posting .

I hope you two can speak

Some of the preserved gems below

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/16-bud-shots/6775-80s-nl5xhaze-7.html

1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Hey bh,

Yeps bro, OG's arnt the best choice to use, quite the contrary even. I just grew out 5 of Karma's A5/WhiteOG to check em out, got 3 fems, 1 not germing and 1 male. The OG was the dominator. Same thing with the CBHz/A5, sad to say i didnt see the A5 shine true in any of them.

I believe Karma has the AG13 clone so why cant he use this beauty for the BX? Dust her with a nice white/A5 male, A5 dom preferably or the late flowering male and BX it to the original.

Sup Unc

Damn was hopin you would find somthing akin to the mom . I didnt think OG would be best suited to let A5 Shine ,but there is always other choices

Whats the CBHz/A5 is that bodhi Cuban Black X ?

I think you should reverse the AG13 to the Nevilles haze (VC)


Hope you stick around brother


1luvbigherb

 

[MOneYMiKe]

Nice bit of knowledge here....blacks look allot like bohempians left picture...blacks lumbo is the key imvho....best sativa ive had all around beast...

 

[Karma G]

Thanks for That Sammy, you are the most Knolidged guy on this subject online 100%.

I know most of that if fact, by own knolidge.

Do you know Which Pheno it is your specifly looking for. From my memory there was more then One, they where labeld Like A5 pheno1 to 4 i think.

Anyway i got some old friends i invited begining November, gone try get you a Timeline for thsi cut i got now,

I wasnt introduced to the A5 before 1995 i think, But we grew C5 and A5 , HPH

From my memory the C5 was verry differnt then the A's it was light coloured had a more friendly smell,

The A5 was heavy in smell Strong, flowerd 14 to 15 weeks, And most impresive part was last weeks flower, when grown well looks like Crystald Moss.

The reason i Picked my White OG is beacuse i know that line so well, i expect it to be easy'r sellecting Mulitple A dominant males by looks. for my first BX.

My prefered end would be not another haze mixed in, that would make it harded for me to be shure i select A genes.


But i am all on same line, that when you want to do a Hybrid to make a new Haze strain A Sativa land race male (i am always a bit scared of outcome there Because of unstabilty in raw lines) But a nice Nevils male would have been super. Ore Mango Haze.


Sam i wont forget, i am gone try get this verifeid as well as posibel, and will keep you posted, I will grow here out altho pic's wont be anouf to make shure for you, we just gone have to make shure you get to sample it, As you are without a doubt somone who deserve's this cut, and it frustrates me huge i cant just give it to you, to see.

Give me some time, i will put the work in, I want to do it my own way first, when i fuck up, i will start over and go another route.

PS how far in flower are your whiteA5haze ? I know ET is growing some, and i got 2 others growing some at the moment aswell, They where only made for this project, they not a finished product. And i expected it to be throwing very wide Pheno's. which is what i need for the selection.

My thought behind it was that i could more easy breed out the white OG then another haze, which would make it harder for me to pick right plants in veg and early flower, i could so easaly make mistakes then and pick wrong haze pheno's.


I will start It up in January, please check in from time to time, And when you are willing i would love to have you run the Results, of the BX when i am done.

 

[Corsaire]

In '97 or '98 I bought some clones at Maastricht (Growside) and these ones was : A5, C5 and Original Haze... all was different, and the A5 was the real deal... I lost them since this time, but the C5 and the A5 was really different to grow, so I don't understand : what were they?

Thx...

 

[Karma G]

In '97 or '98 I bought some clones at Maastricht (Growside) and these ones was : A5, C5 and Original Haze... all was different, and the A5 was the real deal... I lost them since this time, but the C5 and the A5 was really different to grow, so I don't understand : what were they?

Thx...

They where that A5 and C5 my friend worked there at that time,

 

[Corsaire]

Ok thx bro... but the A5 wasn't the "real" A5?

 

[Karma G]

Ok thx bro... but the A5 wasn't the "real" A5?

What you got is what you and i and, all folks i know say is the A5.

real.

But i am bizzy getting a exact time line, and some otherthings, to take away doubts, as far as that is posibel.

 

[mack 10]

Is the A5 the friuty one with that touch of indescrble
Hazey smell on the exhale?
Been too long..
Looking forward to trying the karma A5 hybrids.

 

[Yo Sammy]

Thanks for That Sammy, you are the most Knolidged guy on this subject online 100%.

I know most of that if fact, by own knolidge.

Do you know Which Pheno it is your specifly looking for. From my memory there was more then One, they where labeld Like A5 pheno1 to 4 i think.

Anyway i got some old friends i invited begining November, gone try get you a Timeline for thsi cut i got now,

I wasnt introduced to the A5 before 1995 i think, But we grew C5 and A5 , HPH

From my memory the C5 was verry differnt then the A's it was light coloured had a more friendly smell,

The A5 was heavy in smell Strong, flowerd 14 to 15 weeks, And most impresive part was last weeks flower, when grown well looks like Crystald Moss.

The reason i Picked my White OG is beacuse i know that line so well, i expect it to be easy'r sellecting Mulitple A dominant males by looks. for my first BX.

My prefered end would be not another haze mixed in, that would make it harded for me to be shure i select A genes.


But i am all on same line, that when you want to do a Hybrid to make a new Haze strain A Sativa land race male (i am always a bit scared of outcome there Because of unstabilty in raw lines) But a nice Nevils male would have been super. Ore Mango Haze.


Sam i wont forget, i am gone try get this verifeid as well as posibel, and will keep you posted, I will grow here out altho pic's wont be anouf to make shure for you, we just gone have to make shure you get to sample it, As you are without a doubt somone who deserve's this cut, and it frustrates me huge i cant just give it to you, to see.

Give me some time, i will put the work in, I want to do it my own way first, when i fuck up, i will start over and go another route.

PS how far in flower are your whiteA5haze ? I know ET is growing some, and i got 2 others growing some at the moment aswell, They where only made for this project, they not a finished product. And i expected it to be throwing very wide Pheno's. which is what i need for the selection.

My thought behind it was that i could more easy breed out the white OG then another haze, which would make it harder for me to pick right plants in veg and early flower, i could so easaly make mistakes then and pick wrong haze pheno's.


I will start It up in January, please check in from time to time, And when you are willing i would love to have you run the Results, of the BX when i am done.

I understand why you chose the white OG but for creating an outstanding new haze hybrid its not the best path. I do hope the offspring produces more A5 dom pheno's. I threw 4 beans, 2 fems, 1 male, 1 didnt germ. In these 2 fems i didnt see the A5 shine at all. Got the typical OG aroma and bud type. Not bad but not hazy at all. I'm sure these 2 pheno's cant really represent the full spectrum of the new line but it gave me a glimpse and sadly i didnt found anything A5 like in these so far. I took em to 10 weeks but could have chopped them at 9 easy.

I know that the guys who held these haze hybrids and daddy C were very reluctant to share them with anyone, specially the male C and the original Nevil Haze.
This was bc Nev asked em not to do this back in the day. But after nev started his own seed co and getting more established in the Dam he neglected his old friends down south a bit.
After a while they did start sharing some of these cuts with close friends and like minded folks, including myself to start growing some top notch haze bud. I did this for years until the gang fell apart, soon after i inherited what was left of the hybrids, C5, AG13, HPH and a few years ago i got the NH, still held by Bonk and keeping his word after many years to not share this cut with anyone. Nevil was on the MNS board a few years ago so i made contact with him. And when he and Bonk got connected again i finally got the original, first ever made Nevilles Haze elite cutting. These cuttings are so special bc they still cary the authentic genetics such as Northern Lights, G13, Hash Plant and off course the Haze daddy's A & C, not to mention they were picked out of many, many pheno types. They first selected each of the lines to the 5 best found pheno's out of 100's. From these 5 best selected pheno types they selected the 2 or 3 best ones. In the A5 case they narrowed the line to two pheno's, one very fuel aroma to it and one a bit more flowery. Eventually they got named as the diesel and mango pheno, this was early '90's, nevil himself wasnt around anymore. The diesel pheno is the stronger one and vanished before the mango pheno after the group fell apart due rows and police busts. The diesel and mango names were just labels to refer to, nothing to do with actual pedigree, these names were popular at the time so they got used to distinguish one pheno from the other. Nevil explaned to me that the diesel one was the Pheno he liked most and that the aroma was more dark leather, liver and the mango a bit more friendly flowery and spiced, peppery but both devastating in power, very psychedelic in high and very couch-lock for haze.

Nevil wanted his cuts back so he asked me to bring them to a guy who would help him to get them to oz in tissue culture so he could revive them there and start a new breeding project using the old cuts. I brought the C5, AG13 and HPHz to this guy and to mkae a long story short Nevil never received them instead this guy probably sold them after i mentioned to them that these cuttings were priceless....
That is most probably how you got the AG13 cut. Most folks do not really understand the value of a cut like this and even if they do they usually fuck up growing it in pure form. They aint the most easy plant to grow if you dont know how....

Now i can say that im kinda happy this guy spread them around again. So the genetics are back reaching more people. All the drama surrounding these old cuts were due to the fact that Nevil didnt want to share them with the sharks or vultures that were so fckn jealous at him back in the day and even to this day. So his old friends were guarding his work for years, not sharing these cuts with the broader public. Eventually they did and lots of folks tried growing them but few of them were successful. These plant pick there own gardeners really...

So far a slight insight in the world of the old haze hybrids.
Now i want to thank you for your kind offer. Im very interested to say the least in yr A5 project and like i said before, i really do hope you heave the real deal.
I'm still dreaming of regaining her into my gene pool. She is priceless you know. But im not stressing about it like i did before man. I'm sorry if my tone to pass this message wasnt always the right one, somehow i got frustrated in having to repeat myself over and over again at many different boards. There's a lot of misinformation in the online canna community to say the least and each has his own truth right.....? But for me personally it was a task i had to take upon myself cause no one else in the online community know the facts surrounding the history of these old haze hybrid cuttings in Holland.

Best vibes on yr project and if i can help you with anything you know where to reach me.

Sam

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Karma G , Sammy

You forgot to mention the vigour and yield of those cuts bro .
They impressed me . Cpl more days ...

The NVL`s Hz should be crossed with an OG . Then you would be talkin KO power . The NVL`s Hz cut is the strongest of your collection . But not very pleasant for the mind . Add heavy indica to balance and zombify . he he .

My fave was AG 13 guys . How about some A Vs C crosses Sammy ? Or reversing them all ??

I`ve got some C5 /? x HPHz x LaNina F2 Mongrels but my male went herm so no F3 this time .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Corsaire]

Thx guys for all these infos...

 

[Doc D]

Great info everyone...

Especially Sammy

 

[Yo Sammy]

G`day Karma G , Sammy

You forgot to mention the vigour and yield of those cuts bro .
They impressed me . Cpl more days ...

The NVL`s Hz should be crossed with an OG . Then you would be talkin KO power . The NVL`s Hz cut is the strongest of your collection . But not very pleasant for the mind . Add heavy indica to balance and zombify . he he .

My fave was AG 13 guys . How about some A Vs C crosses Sammy ? Or reversing them all ??

I`ve got some C5 /? x HPHz x LaNina F2 Mongrels but my male went herm so no F3 this time .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Hey EB,
We'll i got kinda used to the yield and vigor over the years but you are so right. Its always cristal clear when i try other haze hybrids or sat dom lines. Almost none of them are comparable. But i'm running a KaribaxeMM specimen now that comes close in vigor and yield but it herm slightly. Maybe after a few runs i can get it out, its the first run i'm doing with her so in time it might improve.
Past few years the only other lines that came close were a afghan haze and mango haze, both mns, very powerful with great yields but also herm features, slightly on the affyHz but the mangoHz hermed like hell, so through them both out.....
The next thing that comes close are dirks various HazexLaNiña hybrids in yield anyway but we both prefer the hazexortega crosses in aroma, taste and high produced.
Working on the reversing the old clones bro ánd some new lines coming to a theater near you soon amigo, hehe
What about some NHxAG/Malawi, NHxC5/Malawi, C5xNH/Malawi, C5xAG/Malawi or NHxAG/KarMM or NHxMango/MMWW or NHxoaxacan....? When i get round to it i will create some specials such as NHx(C5/MalawixAG/Malawi) or NHx(C5/Malawi)bx
Hehehe, i need more space and in time more test growers, lol

Take care mate and lets not hijack Karma's thread any further

@ Corsaire and Doc D: yr welcome guys.