2.5x1.8 meter coco scrog, 3 strain bingo!!

[~Shhh~]

Those buds look delicious toke, they've finished of very nicely. The grapefruit sounds like a sweet strain... The off gassing prob your having is a real bastard huh, if it's doing that to clones.

I'm having temperature issues @ the mo, when the lights were out last night the temp dropped to 13c with 2 heaters in there... I need to get a good blow heather with thermostat built in as the oil filled rads aren't cutting it! When I switch to 12/12 the temps would be like that for 12 hrs which would probably kill em after a few days... The 2 days the temps have been low have resulted in slow growth and yellowing Not to mention I over watered some seedlings the other day!

Anyway, less about my issues... You should be chopping or have chopped by now mate, good luck on the numbers... The quality is clearly there!!

 

[Tokesome]

Well Scrogger, have I caught it that early, no fucking way and I`m a bit pissed off to say the least that I haven`t been able to locate it. I first posted this pic up on the 18-09-09, and I`d had the problem for one or two grows before that. More and more people are recognising this look as a typical and classic symptoms from off -gassing. I couldn`t get things this wrong if I tried, I`ve kept the Arma mum in my bathroom and not fed or even watered it for a couple of weeks to see how it`d look if I really just neglected it, fuck me if it isn`t getting greener and looks like it could be cloned from again, not that I`d bother, unless maybe just as a tester to see if I have it cleared up on this next run. Stick it in the room and see if she yellows up or has slow growth as the last lot did.

They are the same mysterious yellowing to the extreme of burnt edges, piss poor root systems and crap yields that are being seen in many grow at the moment, and I`m pretty certain its a worsening thing too.. I`ve chased everything, water, nutes, techniques, myself, as so many gardeners have, some of them are a damn sight better growers than me and I class myself as fairly experienced and good at it, I`ve even questioned off-gassing before, (at least that enabled me to sort my mate`s grow tent out when off-gassing as soon as I saw the first symptoms, no help to mine though!). I know the air extraction has helped enormously, but its way higher than you`d usually need for a room this size. Sorry if I`m repeating myself, but its how its bothering me at the mo, I`ve got to be able to get on top of this once and for all, there`s something mysterious that affect`s most strains in a severely bad way, and I`ve been lucky to find a real peachy strain that thrives relatively well, though I`m wondering if there`d be a significant improvement to the already achieved decent yields? Hopefully we`ll find out.

I dont have any doubts at all that there is something in the room that is off-gassing. To be fair, although high VOC paints cant be good for plants, I cant see it causing the problems I`m having, which is confusing me a little in the veg closet, although to be fair, the Hogs have got no worse since I removed all the plastic in there. I`m going to wash and paint it out tmro.

I`m trying to see the whole picture, but its so fucking hard when its an invisible chemical smog, sounds crazy eh? Life often is though.

1st thing that has to be under suspicion is the Panda sheeting. I know, I know, I`ve used it with success all y growing yrs, 20+, but that is not to say that there cant be a nasty cheap batch from China on the market too. I`m going to remove it from my grow next time around and paint all the walls Brilliant white, and see if there`s improvement. I do know that there are a fuckload of grows out there suffering these symptoms, they`ve nearly put several top growers onto the streets, or having to be bailed out by friends. I`m sure we`ll see that its not going to be all down to NGW.com 1/2 inch hose, but if you have that hose in your room, its most definitely going to be harming your plants or certainly the majority of strains, so it could be something like the panda sheeting. I have to suspect this as its definitely one fuck of a lot of new plastic that I introduced to the grow, and the mate who I got it off, he had a 100m roll of it, has problems too. He`s had the problems from the start of this grow operation, and although all the equipment was new, I can see any obvious off-gassing material such as NGW.com hose or dodgy smelly plastic items. I should`ve thought of this some time ago, as it does look like it could be the common denominator between grows and problems. He`s a couple of weeks into flower and having serious yellowing problems. He get`s what he`s given clone/strain wise, and the last one seemed hardy and did well, except for the Arma`s he had off me, out of 6, one did well and the other 5 shouldn`t have made it to harvest, truly pitiful. He doesn`t know what strain he`s got now but they dont like his room at all, but they`re apparently doing fine in other grow rooms.

I dont have any Panda sheeting in my cloning cupboard, but I do have it on the other side of the door, sealing the light from the main room in flower.

2nd thing under the suspicion is a double glazed window, probably fitted 8-15 years ago. They`re pretty cheapo windows, dunno what sealer is used holding them in, but they`re not fitted well and drafts come in from around the frame. I`m guessing the best thing to do is coat this with a latex primer and then paint over in minimal VOC paint. One thing that brings this up as a possible problem is that the air trapped between the window and the Panda sheeting really builds up heat when the sun shines, I mean really warm to the touch, and heat is a large contributing factor to off-gassing problems. I`m thinking that the air is pulled through gradually from the (light, not air) sealed window space, due to quite a strong negative pressure within the room, and although a gradual seepage into the room it would, if off-gassing, be at a ridiculously high percentage. My mate`s room has no double glazing in it though. Confused, mmm. . . . so am I.

Other than that there is a plaster wall partitioning the room from the hall, but this would have been a standard refurb job when toilets came indoors way way back, so I doubt it could be causing the problems as the Chinese studded walls are that have been put up in the past 10 to 15 years, but I`ll latex seal this wall in as well.

I really cant think of another possible culprit for the off-gassing issue, apart from some of the builder`s bucket`s which I think are PP, the ones I`ve seen that are stamped, are marked PP(5) and I suspect the ones that aren`t marked will be too, but I`ll change them next time for sure, all my equipment came with me, yes I`ve added some more plastics after my problems began, but they`re PP(5) and ldpe (4) and deemed to be comparitively safe, ie. they dont use any of the 25 Phthalates, of which 2 cheap nasty ones are causing all the known off-gassing problems. I`ll be examining every plastic item as the room is re fitted for the next grow, looking for any other suspects.

I bought some 5 inch pots for the next transplants for the flowering GF clones, instead of the normal, terracotta coloured, plastic ones I found some 100% biodegradable (2/3 yr life span) pots made from natural bamboo fibres and they`re a funky olive colour. The 4 tiny holes in the bottom of them are no where near big enough for drainage and will need drilling out. They cost around the £10 mark for 15 of them, so 3 times as expensive, but still a cheapish alternative to plastic. If they`re buried in active compost they break down within 6 months.

Hey JPW, yes mate I`ll be documenting the funky flower cuts, I`ll be starting another thread off for them soonish. If there`s much development in the meantime, I`ll post the up here. I`m going to be going with conventionally grown and trained plants, and hoping these flowering clones are going to really develop a lot of branches, its usually quite a leggy stretchy strain so I wont let this lot get quite so tall. Training them to spread into their space and then just let them go for it, on your marks, get set, GO!, kinda thing. Just hope they dont hermie after this cloning. I`ll be taking cuttings from all the strongest ones to select for a couple of good mother plants.

Hey Shhh-, I`m sure you`ll get on top of yer ladies and sort em out good and proper! Yeah, they`re looking like some of the best shit I`ve grown, or seen in the flesh, truly good enough to be really blowing on my trumpet. Harvest may start tmro or the day after, depending on painting and how they look. A couple of them look like they need to come down pretty soon, keeping a close eye on them as they go the darkest blackish purple in the leaf and the green fading fast from other leaves, nearly fucking perfect dude!

I`m not going to be too excited by the numbers, but I`m not going to be disapointed, as I knew the Arma`s wouldn`t fair too well. Next time its all GF`s, with one extra in an airpot under its own light, and hopefully eradicate the off-gassing this time around which will then allow me to take in new strains. Keeping a Hog as a tester. Well that`s the plan anyway mate.

I`ll be following up with more pics of plants, harvest and buds, stay tuned guys!

Cheers, Toke

 

[huntingbb]

Hey toke 'n thread - greetings!

Forgive me if i sound a bit impetuous, I'm new and under no illusions that I even know lickety split.

OK, with that understood, if you don't run CO2, wouldn't air exchange cover for offgassing too?

Are there any hot spots? Somewhere that gets an abnormal temp?

Ive been following the thread, hats off to ya - GL!

 

[dramamine]

Aw Toke, man...I can't wait til you get that issue sorted once and for all. It's not for lack of trying, I know that. Seems like once you make those last few changes, you can be done with any offgassing issues. Way to hang in, though, bro. Your beautiful plants show your determination, no doubt about it. Happy harvest moon!! Peace

 

[Tokesome]

Huntingbb, yeah I did have hotspot issues a couple of grows back, why do you ask mate?

And yes the extraction I have now (massive for the size of room) has certainly helped with the off-gassing a load, but this only masks the problem to where the suffering strains look healthier and green but still stunt out badly and yield poorly. Its helped me figure things out by finding a strain (1 out of 5 tried) that copes well under the conditions, as the Arma`s along side continue to suffer, this has at least help eliminate myse4lf from this godawful fucker of a problem. I`m gonna have the bastard this time tho. . . . . I reckon!

Hey damamne, Ah thanks dude, nice words indeed. I dont like to be beaten by anything, tho this one has thumped me good and hard for nearly 2 yrs now, but I finally feel that I truly understand what`s going on here, just got to definitely ID the offender. Wish I could get my hands on a test meter, but they cost a shitload, and I dont think its the kind of gear you can hire.

Invisible chemical smog, how fucking wonderful!!

Trimming commences as of today, its gonna take me 5 days if I do them all myself and do 3 plants a day.

Cheers, Toke

 

[Tokesome]

Hey guys, I took down the first plant today, its one of the 3-4 runts of the Armageddon litter.

Hopefully there`ll be an oz off her. I`ll be taking another 3 down tmro.

I`ve also started the Air-pot competition .

I`ve transplanted all of the 16 GF`s, the ones with buds and resinous leaves, into 15x5inch biodegradable bamboo fibre pots and 1 airpot. I chose one of the medium plants out of the pack to go in the airpot, it was kinda tempting to put the best plant with the most growth and roots in the airpot, but I thought it`d be a fairer test for the airpot if I put a good medium one in.

I`ve got to say I`m really quite excited by this trial, I`m hopeful of some improved plants and yields if they do what they say packet/youtube. One thing that ran through my mind though is that they could be easy meat if you happened across a fungas gnat infection, giving them access everywhere around the roots. It doesnt overly concern me, I haven`t had a dose for ages, and Id be confident of getting rid of the little fuckers if they did drop in, but for those not so on it or new to it all, they could, I assume, be a disaster.

I`ve found somewhere that I can get a blumat feeder from, but I need to chat with Poppyteabags about exactly what I need, in the way of tube diameters and whether its worth having 2 in one pot, or even if that would work.

I`m going to have it fed from its own res and sitting in it`s own little single nft tray and waste tank. I`m going to get hold of some DripClean to just to stay on the safe side re salt build up, or go with a twice weekly flush, not quite sure on that one yet, still pondering on it.

Here`s a pic of the next generation, just after transplant, you can see the size of the pots they`ve been transplanted from, the standard little terracotta plastic one in the pic.

The airpot contender, and then a comparable plant in one of the new bamboo fibre pots.

They`re all back in the cloning closet awaiting space in the flowering room.

I didn`t as you can imagine get any painting done in the closet today. I`ll get around to this at some point over the next week. 5 of the Hogs are leaving for new pastures tmro, only leaving the one here for a test to the environmental issues going on here, the GF`s seem to not notice it too much, though I`m wondering if they`d be a little less stretchy if the conditions were bang on, or whether it is just a very stretchy strain, like the Cali Orange I once knew and loved. . . .awh!

Trimming is the ideal time for me to be running things through my mind on what exactly I`m going to do once harvest is over regarding the off-gassing and reset for the room, so no doubt you`ll here me babble on about it some more this week as I drop in with harvest updates.

I`m looking fwd to starting a new diary for my next grow, especially now I`ve got the airpot comparison thing going on, but I`ll get through harvest etc. here first.

Cheers for now, Toke

 

[huntingbb]

Huntingbb, yeah I did have hotspot issues a couple of grows back, why do you ask mate?

And yes the extraction I have now (massive for the size of room) has certainly helped with the off-gassing a load, but this only masks the problem to where the suffering strains look healthier and green but still stunt out badly and yield poorly. Its helped me figure things out by finding a strain (1 out of 5 tried) that copes well under the conditions, as the Arma`s along side continue to suffer, this has at least help eliminate myse4lf from this godawful fucker of a problem. I`m gonna have the bastard this time tho. . . . . I reckon!

Hey damamne, Ah thanks dude, nice words indeed. I dont like to be beaten by anything, tho this one has thumped me good and hard for nearly 2 yrs now, but I finally feel that I truly understand what`s going on here, just got to definitely ID the offender. Wish I could get my hands on a test meter, but they cost a shitload, and I dont think its the kind of gear you can hire.

Invisible chemical smog, how fucking wonderful!!

Trimming commences as of today, its gonna take me 5 days if I do them all myself and do 3 plants a day.

Cheers, Toke

well,

Because i have something similar going on but ive not tracked it down yet, but for the hot spots, those areas could (potentially) have higher stress on the materials, so something that would be a borderline offgasser under LED's would be really bad under a 1k in the middle of a hot spot.

 

[Scrogerman]

I got a feeling the airpot plant is gonna have a good 30% mass on the other pot grown plants in a few weeks, the root pruning thing is gonna make for some Big Bushy ass plants imo & in Coco, a winning combo & is where im looking at to go next, i luv the blumat idea im seeing several peeps toying with atm too(The lazyier & easier to use the system the better), so i'll be intently watching this one Toke!
Have you managed to source any 100% safe plastics for coverings Toke? or are you just gonna go with the paint thing, are you gonna use any mylar at all? Do your hands hurt yet??lol Can you roll a fag/spliff without getting 1/2oz of burn' stuck to ya hand? or are ya sensible & wear gloves!.?
= 'take no-notice man!
Ive gotta give this Coco a try man, ive studied it to a point where im comfortable trying now. There's a bit more to it than simple DWC hydro.
Its one of the major pluses for me with DWC, its too bloody easy, there's barely anything to do, maybe a daily PH check(5-mins), adjust every other(0.1-0.2) to 5.5-5.6. lol gotta lov DWC for ease of use & its soo bloody clean, its just the pump noise that an issue, apart from that i struggle to put DWC down, it truly is 'the lazy mans grow'.!!! Im still trying to talk myself out of it & into the Coco, which will mean quite a bit more work-lol. Once i start though, it'll be Coco mad.

 

[Tokesome]

well,

Because i have something similar going on but ive not tracked it down yet, but for the hot spots, those areas could (potentially) have higher stress on the materials, so something that would be a borderline offgasser under LED's would be really bad under a 1k in the middle of a hot spot.

Yes mate the plants under the cosh from off-gassing suffer a lot more under heat stress, also heat causes the plastics to off gas more and without doubt hightens the stress of the situation. Depending on how bad it is, it can sometimes be that they cant even stand a 400w light anywhere near them. It helps identify a hot spot for sure, but under normal conditions, ie. no off gassing, they`d cope ok in those spots.

Do you think you have an idea what is causing the problems at your`s? Have you checked the off-gassing thread? If you go to my profile page and click on "my posts", you`ll find the thread on page one (EDIT:- here`s the link https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=188434). If you go to the last page of "my posts", you`ll see where my problems began and various things I looked at before arriving at the conclusions I have now.

Hey Scrogger, yeah, back ache and the rest. I wear rubber gloves for trimming, not only do I collect the scissor hash, but I also put my rubber gloves in the freezer for an hour or more, then remove them and stretch the glove over a sheet of paper, and man all that sticky goodness falls right onto the card in a powdery form, makes for some real treaty spliffs.

I`ve not sourced, or tried to source any safe plastic covering, I`m going to remove it all, seal the widow up with latex paint and then board over with wood and seal with silicon, paint the room and see how it goes. Once I`m happy that the problem is solved, I`ll then try a plant, that I know will suffer under off-gassing, with the pot wrapped in the Panda, to try and eliminate it. If it proves to be ok, I`ll re-introduce it, but I`d have to be cock sure first. I`ll pick up some mylar and use in strategic positions, maybe some covered boards that can be moved into position where needed most. I do have a bit of mylar in the room already, but not much.

Yeah, must order the Blumat set up this week, I need to PM Poppyteabags as he knows his shit with this gear and he`s offered his advice if I need it. These forums are the dogs nuts eh? Dont know where I`d be now without it, and I hope I`ve helped a few others with their problems.

Yeah Scrogger, Coco is piss easy go for it, just off-gassing fucks it up

Right I`m back to trimming!

Toke

 

[Tokesome]

Hey guys, I`m half way through, well in plant numbers that is, I`ve been chopping the Armageddon first and 7 1/2 plants through my 15 plants. Of course the 5 Grapefruit have shitloads more bud on so I`m not really half way through in buddage to be trimmed, The GF`s are nowhere near as leafy though so shouldn`t be too much of a pain. . . . famous last words!

I`ve taken some lovely pics of some of my buds, and of the amazing autum colours in the ripened GF`s, but I`m too fooked to post up tonight, I`ll do it sometime tmro.

Cheers, Toke

 

[Scrogerman]

Sounds good mate, i'll look forward to seeing those, Mmm Grapefruit...
Have you ever tried Silicon or rather do you use the stuff?, im just wondering the strengthening effects it may have against an off-gassing issue, strengthens cells, protects in harse conditions etc, a beneficial imo, Im running 'Budlink' this time, plants are loving my scedual it seems. Giving Hammerhead(0/4/8) a spin tommoro, just cause i can, anyone tried it?, i was gifted some an thought what the heck, see how it goes wk4(start-day21), Buds just kicking in now, expecting to go 9wks+ or 65 days, i cant see them going to 10 wks. You are the invincible human trimming machine bro#! Its a fkin killa, i remember going 36hours straight before now, not even dented lol. Happy Trimming Fella!

 

[Tokesome]

Sounds good mate, i'll look forward to seeing those, Mmm Grapefruit...
Have you ever tried Silicon or rather do you use the stuff?, im just wondering the strengthening effects it may have against an off-gassing issue, strengthens cells, protects in harse conditions etc, a beneficial imo, Im running 'Budlink' this time, plants are loving my scedual it seems. Giving Hammerhead(0/4/8) a spin tommoro, just cause i can, anyone tried it?, i was gifted some an thought what the heck, see how it goes wk4(start-day21), Buds just kicking in now, expecting to go 9wks+ or 65 days, i cant see them going to 10 wks. You are the invincible human trimming machine bro#! Its a fkin killa, i remember going 36hours straight before now, not even dented lol. Happy Trimming Fella!

Yeah Scrog, I used to always use Budlink, but for some reason I haven`t used it for quite sometime, and the point you make there is very interesting, I`ll defo be investing in some for this next grow, nice one dude!

Hey Scrog, you mentioned the purple yellows greens etc. I guess this is exactly what you meant

Chunky as

. . . . and can you see how far down the stems the buds go, they dont get fluffy like popcorn at all, they`re all solid little nugs. I`m thinking of letting the bottoms go another week, but I need to get a lot done in here before the next lot can go in, so not sure I can really do it.

This is what I`m going to have left to tackle after I just trim this last Armageddon I`ve just taken from the room, its one of the other runts so tho a bit fiddly, it wont take long.

I found the first bit of mold in the GF`s this eve, it was only on examining a photo I`d just taken, on the computer, of a bud. It was just a tiny bit and I gave the rest a good look over and cant see anymore, I`d better be lickety split tho.

Cheers, Toke

 

[Scrogerman]

Mold, bugger, get it all down today bro, na they look fantastic mate, Lovely colours, yes that's called 'Scenesense', i luv the Gold's/Yellows contrasted to the Purples, looks mint mate!
You deserve this Bumper mate, looks to be your biggest since ive known you bro, well done fella you deserve this one! Thick dense Canopy of large Buds is gonna giva ya a little mold id of thought, i get well edgey about mold at this stage but never really suffer it bad. Looking Great Tokey!

I cant stop looking at these last pics mate, Yum!

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey mate ? What was your opinion on the de-foliation 'malarkey'?, me, i woundnt touch the top 1/3rd of any plant unless it was completely blocking out light to budsites of course & then i'd use tucking more! still im v-interested in seeing & hearing peoples results! G'Luck!

 

[~Shhh~]

Looking splendid mate, sorry to her about the mold, if your humidity is in check can only mean they're pretty dense man.

 

[Tokesome]

Hey guys, dont be worrying about the mold, I`ve not found anymore, and the bit I did find was no more than a couple of splif`s worth and was caused by a leaf stem broken by a moving cable from a light mover. My RH has been perfect this grow.

I`ve taken down and trimmed 2 of the Grapefruits today, and it was a long f`fing day too! Budded branches as long as my legs, never mind my arms, and the smell is very sharp and dank during the cut, The nugs are sticky, swollen and packed solid too. Its such a long time since I`ve seen plants yielding so much I cant predict how much this tray of 5 Grapefruit will turn out, but it`ll do well, I had my aims right up there for this one, aiming for 25oz fro the tray, 5 oz per plant. I cant wait to get 3 trays of this one going.

Scrogger, mmm. . . . dunno about the defoliation, they seem to have done similarly, some good and bad plants in both techniques, as I said at the beginning, its not really a fair test strain as I suspect the genetics to be a bit all over the place from the off gassing issue.

I`m very happy with the part defoliation of the GF`s and if you look at the pic of all the colours in the above pics, if I hadn`t de-foliated ithere`d be a shitload more of those fan leaves, I did attack them pretty well, I took carrier bags full of shade leaves from them, hence the amazing bud count down below.

To be hones mate, I`m not overly impressed with folding and tucking leaves. I can see some (but only some) use for it with a scrog, but in a taller grow leaves even when they`re pointing straight down still create quite a shading affect, especially from lights not directly above them., Maybe dependent on strain etc., as I imagine it does for de-foliating. On a really vigorous strain like this GF, I think it can handle the defoliating with no problems and helps yield, I`m sure of it, there`s certainly no visible difference in the size/quality of the buds sited where I`d removed a fan or not, nor were the buds any more ar less leafy, whereas on the Arma`s, I reckon it made the bud more leafy, but otherwise very similar, ie. size `n weight. Just my opinion from my experience bro, I guess its whatever works for the plant and grower eh? I`ll take a couple of pics of the plants where I`ve removed some, so it shows like a dissection of the grow, right through the middle, I think it`ll give you an idea where I`m coming from bro as you`ll se that in this set up at least a shading fan will shade not just the one bud beneath it, but maybe 10-30.

On the next grow I`ll experiment between the plants a bit and see if there`s a marked difference between techniques with a strain that chucks out consistant plants, that`d be a fairer test for sure.

Cheers, Toke

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey Buddy,
yeah you make some good clear points there buddy! Your Crop looks Fatt mate & the Nugs look dense & lots of it too.
Leaves, yeah its funny really, for me it comes down to what a leaf actually does for the plant, i see them as Sugar Factory's myself, now im no botanist but believe leaving as many leaves around the top 1/3rd has to help. ok in a ScrOG the bottom 2/3rds is shaded out pretty much & without light to any degree the lower foliage becomes pretty useless, will shrivel up eventually, yellow & die, that's a breeding ground for molds etc too so it has to be removed.
I use rotation with my Tucking tec(i know your no-Fan-'Excuse Pun'), only leaves tucked into darkness pretty much for 24hours get Untucked back into the Light & other leaves that are blocking are tucked in 'constant rotation', now this is nire on impossible with the kind of canopy size you have bro so i can understand why you dont like tucking too much. tbh I hope it does turn out we can safely remove 90% of foliage without harming the plant, but i cant see it, leaves have a purpose, for me the top 1/3rd stay, ive cleared everything else on my ScrOG, the underside is completely clear of any foliage, i have great airflow under there & through the canopy. A nice 60+ Main top Cola Count between 4 plants should give me some nice sized Buds, My canopy is starting to look more like yours at this point, just over 12" above screen atm & stretch slowing(Thank the Lord), but i can see 18"+ Colas by the end -Not-A-Botha! I dont mind the Screen being set high, its helping with Airflow through the cab, & i have plenty of head space over 5ft left, LOL. Ill sort out some pics! Happy Harvesting Bro!

 

[huntingbb]

Yes mate the plants under the cosh from off-gassing suffer a lot more under heat stress, also heat causes the plastics to off gas more and without doubt hightens the stress of the situation. Depending on how bad it is, it can sometimes be that they cant even stand a 400w light anywhere near them. It helps identify a hot spot for sure, but under normal conditions, ie. no off gassing, they`d cope ok in those spots.

Do you think you have an idea what is causing the problems at your`s? Have you checked the off-gassing thread? If you go to my profile page and click on "my posts", you`ll find the thread on page one (EDIT:- here`s the link https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=188434). If you go to the last page of "my posts", you`ll see where my problems began and various things I looked at before arriving at the conclusions I have now.

Hey Scrogger, yeah, back ache and the rest. I wear rubber gloves for trimming, not only do I collect the scissor hash, but I also put my rubber gloves in the freezer for an hour or more, then remove them and stretch the glove over a sheet of paper, and man all that sticky goodness falls right onto the card in a powdery form, makes for some real treaty spliffs.

I`ve not sourced, or tried to source any safe plastic covering, I`m going to remove it all, seal the widow up with latex paint and then board over with wood and seal with silicon, paint the room and see how it goes. Once I`m happy that the problem is solved, I`ll then try a plant, that I know will suffer under off-gassing, with the pot wrapped in the Panda, to try and eliminate it. If it proves to be ok, I`ll re-introduce it, but I`d have to be cock sure first. I`ll pick up some mylar and use in strategic positions, maybe some covered boards that can be moved into position where needed most. I do have a bit of mylar in the room already, but not much.

Yeah, must order the Blumat set up this week, I need to PM Poppyteabags as he knows his shit with this gear and he`s offered his advice if I need it. These forums are the dogs nuts eh? Dont know where I`d be now without it, and I hope I`ve helped a few others with their problems.

Yeah Scrogger, Coco is piss easy go for it, just off-gassing fucks it up

Right I`m back to trimming!

Toke

hope your progress has been better than mine.. i got like 2.5 weeks left - 15th makes it 8 weeks of 12/12. Here's a couple pix showing the issue - their in ffof / light warrior || 2:1 and i know i had heat issues the first couple weeks of 12/12



Round 3 will be in coco - hopefully i'll quit failing so hard between now and then lol

 

[~Shhh~]

Gotta say that grapefruit sure sounds and definitely looks like a winner mate. I knew they would be alot of bud tucked away out of sight. Hope those no's are good as the marijuana looks

 

[huntingbb]

hope your progress has been better than mine.. i got like 2.5 weeks left - 15th makes it 8 weeks of 12/12. Here's a couple pix showing the issue - their in ffof / light warrior || 2:1 and i know i had heat issues the first couple weeks of 12/12



Round 3 will be in coco - hopefully i'll quit failing so hard between now and then lol

Made a good pic - this shows it best:



maybe they really didn't need food...

oh well everything's changed for next run, coco + 'the rezipe'