1989 NL 5

[rhinoman 1]

I hope this was not directed toward me? ?

 

[RoyalFlush]

I hope this was not directed toward me? ?

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[Thcvhunter]

Greg spoke to me and broke it down in 2016/17 when I was given seedstock from a dying chemist who cooked and bred for BOEL back in the day.

I had seeds with labeling that only a breeder could decipher.
i popped "#101" and posted pics and Greg sought me out to let me know its the old Hawaiian line that was used to make NL5

Now, I never was a fan of "NL" because back on NY, it was couchlock, narcotic weed and I didnt like that.
So, when Greg reached out to me, i payed more attention to what he said about BOEL and their Hawaiian than what he said about NL

That being said, I can clear some things Greg told me.

So there was NL
Then they used NL to outcross with other lines to make the numbered lines.

Pretty sure NL was 2 Afghans, Steve's Affy and another one, and BOEL Hawaiian.
NL1 is Bx to the Afghan, which is also the Affy that made Afghan #1
NL 2 was NL x Hindu Kush
NL5 was NL Bx to the BOEL Hawaiian

Now, Greg said he Never gave Neville the pure NL5 clone or seeds. Yes, its a seedline.

So what happened was Neville came out to the West Coast to get clones and seeds.
Greg said no.
So, Neville back-door'ed Greg and went to The Indian.
Now, the Indian wasnt a Vet, but his son was. Greg pittied Indian and gave him some clones to run and make $$
But, Greg didnt trust Indian. So, Greg never gave him the pure lines. No pure NL. No pure NL5.
What he did get was NL5xNL2. This is what Neville thought was the pure NL5. Same with the seeds.

Greg found out. And seeing Neville creating a market on Greg's genetics, Greg and co decided to rename NL5 pure cut to another name. I was asked not to publish this name of the clone.

TLR
What is called NL5 is really NL5xNL2, hence the hashy, earthy, piney smells, white frost, and Hindu-ey leaf structure.

 

[willydread]

Greg spoke to me and broke it down in 2016/17 when I was given seedstock from a dying chemist who cooked and bred for BOEL back in the day.

I had seeds with labeling that only a breeder could decipher.
i popped "#101" and posted pics and Greg sought me out to let me know its the old Hawaiian line that was used to make NL5

Now, I never was a fan of "NL" because back on NY, it was couchlock, narcotic weed and I didnt like that.
So, when Greg reached out to me, i payed more attention to what he said about BOEL and their Hawaiian than what he said about NL

That being said, I can clear some things Greg told me.

So there was NL
Then they used NL to outcross with other lines to make the numbered lines.

Pretty sure NL was 2 Afghans, Steve's Affy and another one, and BOEL Hawaiian.
NL1 is Bx to the Afghan, which is also the Affy that made Afghan #1
NL 2 was NL x Hindu Kush
NL5 was NL Bx to the BOEL Hawaiian

Now, Greg said he Never gave Neville the pure NL5 clone or seeds. Yes, its a seedline.

So what happened was Neville came out to the West Coast to get clones and seeds.
Greg said no.
So, Neville back-door'ed Greg and went to The Indian.
Now, the Indian wasnt a Vet, but his son was. Greg pittied Indian and gave him some clones to run and make $$
But, Greg didnt trust Indian. So, Greg never gave him the pure lines. No pure NL. No pure NL5.
What he did get was NL5xNL2. This is what Neville thought was the pure NL5. Same with the seeds.

Greg found out. And seeing Neville creating a market on Greg's genetics, Greg and co decided to rename NL5 pure cut to another name. I was asked not to publish this name of the clone.

TLR
What is called NL5 is really NL5xNL2, hence the hashy, earthy, piney smells, white frost, and Hindu-ey leaf structure.

From what I have read around, it is fairly well known that the Nl5 used in Nevil's crosses at the castle was Nl5 pure clone, then Nevil did Nl5 x nl2, and they should be the seeds labeled Nl5 ....
(theoretically they should be the same Nl5 seeds used by Shanti in his crosses, and crossed with nl1, they should be the northern lights of Sensiseeds)

 

[@hempy]

When I first got the NL varieties, there were 8 types, 1-8.
They came with descriptions, which I published in my catalogue. These descriptions may not correlate with what later developed. The original intention was to purchase seeds from the US NL growers. It didn't work out and supply dried up. I kept the lines separate and inbred them. NL1 and NL2 stabilised into distinct types and NL5 only produced one unique individual.
NL1 was a full blood Afghan indica. One thick main stem, dark green leaves, modest yield with nuggety buds, a little coarse with good resin production, which when ripe went golden. The high was narcotic. The seeds ranged from tiny to massive. I used to love the big ones. Large fat heavily and darkly mottled seeds. Selecting for these seeds made this Afghan even coarser. It was fun to show people these seeds.
The best line of NL1 actually came from the smaller seeded types, better high and bud structure.
There weren't many pure indica lines around in those days. Big Bud, Hash Plant and G13 were pure indicas in my estimation, but were cuttings. NL1 was the only good pure Afghani male line I had.( there was Sams Afghani#1, but that was toxic in a bad way) The NL2 was a Kush.
I put the NL1 out there as a pure strain. I wasn't popular. People would tell me, "give me the pure strains", but if it cost them 10% of their yield they would complain, well try 50%.
The pure indica hybrids were more popular. NL1 x HP and NL1 x G13 were the best. At least people could use the word pure (very popular). But they were good!

I expect that a lot of people holding what they believe to be pure indicas today, would find, if the truth be known, that the sire line traces back to NL1.
N.

That's right OS. I did go to the States later and pick up the original U.S. NL5 mother and it was as it was described to me, part Thai. But my NL5 didn't seem to have any Thai influence. I spent a lot of time analysing the NL lines, in particular NL5.

I only saw evidence of two indica male lines in the NL series and that was NL1 and NL2. My best bet was that NL5 was a combination of NL1 male line and US NL5 female. I guessed that US5 was 50% NL2. Northern Lights 2x5 was the best that I could do staying within the line (pure NL).

Northern Lights changed the face of cannabis genetics (and many a smoker), but it was mostly through NL5. You've got to marvel at fate for dropping that one extreme plant into the lap of a budding seed breeder.
N.

https://mrnice.nl/forum/threads/que...ni-and-kush-lines-the-other-grail.4367/page-6

The NL 1-8 were seed lines and most were hybrids. A couple of years after getting the seed, I went to the U.S. to get the U.S. NL5 cutting. It didn't turn out to be as good or even that similar to my NL5.
N.

https://mrnice.nl/forum/threads/que...ni-and-kush-lines-the-other-grail.4367/page-7

From the man

 

[Thcvhunter]

The NL5 clone Neville had was NL5 x NL2

I dont care what Neville said, he was a junky who mixed heroin with benzos.
No wonder Greg didnt trust him.

That being said, Greg does tell different people different stories, based on who they are.
He was tight with BOEL, so BOEL people get the lowdown.
There is no commercially available NL5, at least, not before some WA forum peeps let out the clone in the 2000's.

The fact that Greg calls NL5 a Bx to the Hawaiian says a lot about the lineage of pure NL

 

[@hempy]

The NL5 clone Neville had was NL5 x NL2

I dont care what Neville said, he was a junky who mixed heroin with benzos.
No wonder Greg didnt trust him.

That being said, Greg does tell different people different stories, based on who they are.
He was tight with BOEL, so BOEL people get the lowdown.
There is no commercially available NL5, at least, not before some WA forum peeps let out the clone in the 2000's.

The fact that Greg calls NL5 a Bx to the Hawaiian says a lot about the lineage of pure NL

I will let Royal chim in on this as he knows more than i do about the NL but you your self just claimed Greg is full of shit.

I made a friend that grew up knowing Mr Maui as he lived close by Mr Maui and he and his friends were also known as the Hawaiian BOEL i was sent their old Hawaiian HP i personally didn't like it.

Thcvhunter you shouldn't disrespect the dead Nevil did have at the early part of his life a substance issue yes but he cleaned his act up and opened the first seed company and did more for this community than any one person .

 

[Thcvhunter]

I will let Royal chim in on this as he knows more than i do about the NL but you your self just claimed Greg is full of shit.

I made a friend that grew up knowing Mr Maui as he lived close by Mr Maui and he and his friends were also known as the Hawaiian BOEL i was sent their old Hawaiian HP i personally didn't like it.

Thcvhunter you shouldn't disrespect the dead Nevil did have at the early part of his life a substance issue yes but he cleaned his act up and opened the first seed company and did more for this community than any one person .

Same NL Greg with a stutter, right?

Its not BS, and people who talk with him know he has dofferent stories he tells on the history.

Idk Mr Maui, but BOEL was more than just a couple people

A buddy of mine got some of the other seeds from the BOEL chemist and had Mr Blue - the first Blueberry from 79-81

 

[willydread]

I know several people who are not Nevil lovers, in fact, they are almost haters, but they openly despise Greg, he is another of the many who are trying to jump on the bandwagon, mixing old stories and a lot of bullshit .... Don't get me wrong, it's not an attack on you, I just don't like people like Greg...

 

[...CR500AF...]

What are the other versions that he has said. because the version THCV spoke of is the only one that i have heard since the early 2000's ? (just asking not trying to stir the pot)...

I was always at the old OG not MNS.

 

[willydread]

I state that I have nothing against thcvhunter, as far as I'm concerned Greg could say what he wants about boel and other bullshit, but nl1 and afghani 1 have nothing to do with it, nl2 is sold as Hindukush but it is not nl1 x HK, and Nl5 is arrived as a pure clone, then Nevil looked for the line in seed form (which obviously is not the same as a clone), and did both Nl5 x nl1, and Nl5 x nl2 which should be the Nl5 that is in circulation as seedline...
Finally, what is the genetics of Nl5? Afghan x hawaiian? And what is Hawaiian? Thai? Mexican? Jamaican? Hybrid? Just guesses ...

 

[...CR500AF...]

Ok thank you willydread did not think you where picking on anybody again thank you for the reply...

 

[willydread]

Ok thank you willydread did not think you where picking on anybody again thank you for the reply...

Sorry if I looked arrogant or angry, that wasn't the tone, google translate is not always helpful

 

[bsgospel]

And what is Hawaiian? Thai? Mexican? Jamaican? Hybrid? Just guesses ...

Yeah, anytime I read 'Hawaiian' I just say to myself 'No one knows'

 

[RoyalFlush]

Same NL Greg with a stutter, right?

Its not BS, and people who talk with him know he has dofferent stories he tells on the history.

Idk Mr Maui, but BOEL was more than just a couple people

A buddy of mine got some of the other seeds from the BOEL chemist and had Mr Blue - the first Blueberry from 79-81

"BOEL Hawaiian"? Greg told me the BOEL Hawaiian story was pure BS.

 

[RoyalFlush]

What are the other versions that he has said. because the version THCV spoke of is the only one that i have heard since the early 2000's ? (just asking not trying to stir the pot)...

I was always at the old OG not MNS.

Greg told NotsoDog and Fatt Riot that NL#5 was Afghan x Colombian x Acapulco (or some mexican strain) which sounds like Skunk#1.

Greg and the NL Crew told Nevil in 84/85 that NL#5 was a Thai cross.

 

[...CR500AF...]

Ok thank you RoyalFlush appreciate the clarity...

 

[Thcvhunter]

Greg told NotsoDog and Fatt Riot that NL#5 was Afghan x Colombian x Acapulco (or some mexican strain) which sounds like Skunk#1.

Greg and the NL Crew told Nevil in 84/85 that NL#5 was a Thai cross.

Yeah, like I said, Greg is known for giving different people different stories

BOEL is not BS, nor is their Hawaiian BS.
If Greg said it is, its likely he's trying to cover for a ceiminal enterprise that doesnt want him talking about them

 

[Thcvhunter]

I state that I have nothing against thcvhunter, as far as I'm concerned Greg could say what he wants about boel and other bullshit, but nl1 and afghani 1 have nothing to do with it, nl2 is sold as Hindukush but it is not nl1 x HK, and Nl5 is arrived as a pure clone, then Nevil looked for the line in seed form (which obviously is not the same as a clone), and did both Nl5 x nl1, and Nl5 x nl2 which should be the Nl5 that is in circulation as seedline...
Finally, what is the genetics of Nl5? Afghan x hawaiian? And what is Hawaiian? Thai? Mexican? Jamaican? Hybrid? Just guesses ...

The Hawaiian is Swazi/Jamaican x Thai, then crossed to the backbone of all Hawaiian work - Mexican x Afghan

The Colombian stuff done before wasnt growing well on the Islands, so they went with something that matched the lattitude - Mexican.

 

[RoyalFlush]

its likely he's trying to cover for a ceiminal enterprise that doesnt want him talking about them

People have been talking about BOEL online for years and nobody has done anything. BOEL is dead, nobody is covering for them.