1512W LED Perpetual Medical Harvest (Aeroponics)

[LEDGirl]

Ledgirl , maybe its an idea to give 1 of your Led lights to a well known grower here on ic to do a test. That way you will take away all doubts.

I'm certainly not saying this to be mean, but I would appreciate if you would take the time to read other posts, prior to making a suggestion such as this. If you had, you would already know that we have sent out 4, 126W units for testing to Sleepy, S_a_H, MrWags, and Benji, who all received their lights today.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Ledgirl , maybe its an idea to give 1 of your Led lights to a well known grower here on ic to do a test. That way you will take away all doubts.

Maybe it's an idea to read the thread so you'd know that's exactly what she's currently doing with 4 IC section mods? possibly?

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

 

[zenoonez]

LOL.

 

[Moppel]

I'm certainly not saying this to be mean, but I would appreciate if you would take the time to read other posts, prior to making a suggestion such as this. If you had, you would already know that we have sent out 4, 126W units for testing to Sleepy, S_a_H, MrWags, and Benji, who all received their lights today.

sorry dude, i just woke up and i didnt read whole thread. Those guys are well known and good growers, so soon we'll see....

I'll be the first to order some lights from you as soon as they are proven.

 

[LEDGirl]

hahah 1lb off that small plant? are u kidding me? thats like 2-3 ozs max when dry... i got an eye for that shit

Obviously you don't. Wow, I'm amazed by the lack of intelligence around here, and how horrible you are at determining weight. -rep for you for being such an arrogant and horribly inaccurate individual. DENY DENY DENY, it's the way of the ignorant loser. Go be a TROLL somewhere else.

Here is the AK47 I talked about, which was cut 1.5 weeks early, and was about HALF the size of Strawberry Cough:

AND LIKE I SAID, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN BELIEVE ME IF I SHOWED IT TO YOU ON A SCALE, SINCE YOU ALREADY SUCK AT DETERMINING WEIGHT FROM LOOKING AT A PHOTOGRAPH, BUT HERE IT IS ANYWAYS JUST TO PROVE YOU WRONG AS I ALWAYS DO:

SO THAT'S 1 POUND 6.3 OUNCES - 14.7 OUNCES, WHICH EQUALS 7.6 OUNCES DRIED CURED BUD

AND REMEMBER THAT THING ABOUT DENSITY? HERE'S 1 SMALL NUG:

SO GO AHEAD, BE IGNORANT IF YOU WANT TO

 

[CaStoner]

Delete

 

[zanedog]

mods, please delete, cause I'm no longer welcome here for asking questions

 

[LEDGirl]

If they are that good and they must be returned "as new" condition then I see people jumping all over this for a discounted price say $100 or even a $50 off because it still new considering how long these LED's last. But for me to put down $1100 and I wasn't satisfied with the results and be out $275 that's too risky for me and in these hard economic times I can't really afford to lose that much.

Quit telling me you'll be the first customer to return my product, when everyone else loves them and NO ONE HAS RETURNED ONE. Stop being such a negative little priss, and put up or shut up. Cause unless you're telling me that you're going to send me $1175 including shipping, if I get rid of the 25% re-stocking fee, SHUT UP.

 

[Lonesome Burt]

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[antimatter]

*Damn, those dudes over at CC are worse than we. Pretty much confirms why im HERE and NOT there.

lol yes, Im understanding now that ledgirl changed the degree on the lights to work for bloom which is an advancement and I give kudos for that and her aero tables look very nice.

 

[LEDGirl]

there you go, that plant does look like 7.6 ounces, that other one though not 1 lb.

Wow, yet this plant was grown in a 2' x 1' space, somehow destroying your suggestion that you need 16-25 square feet (on a flat grow) in order to produce a pound. So that's 2 square feet for 1/2 a pound on a pre-mature, mid-yielding plant. Huh, according to your previous comment, I would have thought you'd have said it was impossible.

And just so we're clear here, this is the AK (7.6 oz):

And Here is the Strawberry Cough X White Rhino (16.2 oz):

Yet you still insist I'm lying about the weight of this plant? Oh well, everyone else can see it's at least double the size...

 

[zenoonez]

there you go, that plant does look like 7.6 ounces, that other one though not 1 lb.

Put the pics side by side, I use two FF tabs, the first pic the one she is claiming a # looks like it would easily double the weight of the ak given that it is of similar density. But then again, pics don't tell you how dense bud is. I will wait and see what the testgrowers have to say about them at the end. But that pic is promising.

Edit: Led girl did it for you.

 

[Chief Rbud]

to put that strawberry cough X white rhino into perspective, just look at the hydrogen peroxide bottle behind one of the smaller lower nugs, that nug is a bit fatter than that hydrogen peroxide bottle, and those bottles are a bit fatter than a 12 ounce beer can, so those top nugs are F-ING HUGE! and yeah that could easily weigh a pound if you realize how fat they are. im waiting to see how this goes, i was already looking at your lights because i always have serious heat issues, even with cfl's, its hot in december down here. i want to order the 126 watt one and use it in a cedar wardrobe. two would be even better. other than odor control growing these stinky ass strains, heat is my biggest issue, certainly the biggest affecting yield.

 

[VerdantGreen]

i dont really have a problem believing the claimed yields are possible. i'm getting between 1 and 1.6 g/watt atm with a 250 hps. - so if i replaced that unit with one of these 126 LED units and got the same yield we would be talking 2 to 3 grams/watt. if these truly are comparable to a 400, then the claimed yields are perfectly plausible and i will watch the test grows with interest.

V.

p.s. can the doubters please show a bit of decorum. wait and see.

 

[sx646522]

Any good electrical manufacturer is going to charge a restocking fee for returns. Shipping costs money. Warehousing costs money. As does customer service, and a dozen other things any manufacturer or distributor is also involved in. A used product is also worth less, and any re-sales have to be priced accordingly. Many simply have to scrap the product and write any losses off their books. A 25% restocking fee is nothing special, and cheaper than some.

And, restocking fees are also in place to eliminate the tire kickers and people such as some of the ones above ^^^ from buying strictly on impulse, or without true intent of paying lawful consideration/renumeration.

There are enough scam artist buyers for both the digital and physical product businesses that want something for free, have no intention of actually keeping it (or refunding/chargeback their C.C. and keeping the product anyway - i.e. scum), and take advantage of weak return policies from manufacturer or (card) merchant in order to do so.

This manufacturer has a 30 day return policy and a three year warranty period for any defects. Compared to a lot of other products in the market, that's pretty generous.

Or, you can order substandard knockoffs on ebay. No returns, no refunds. Don't like how the unit works? Then you're SOL.

You can't buy a new car and then return it after a month because you don't like it. You can always re-sell it though - for a substantial hit. Caveat emptor.

Do your due diligence before you buy - or act like an adult, and learn from your experience for next time. There are no handouts in the real world. Deal with it.


-SX

P.S. Don't bother taking apart a unit to show folks the inner workings, LEDGirl. That's proprietary information, and no other manufacturer would do it. It won't convince anyone one way or another about the veracity of your results. If someone wants that, let them buy a unit and do it themselves, voiding their warranty.

Instead, just let the growing journals speak for your product. Four mods is more than enough, in addition to the ones already going on elsewhere. People can learn to wait. Or, buy a unit and do their own testing.

 

[LEDGirl]

what type of PPMs are you running w/ LED vs HPS?

CO2? I've always maintained it at 1500ppm. If you're asking about nutes, I haven't changed anything since switching from HID, other than topping off the reservoir less frequently.

 

[zenoonez]

Any good electrical manufacturer is going to charge a restocking fee for returns. Shipping costs money. Warehousing costs money. As does customer service, and a dozen other things any manufacturer or distributor is also involved in. A used product is also worth less, and any re-sales have to be priced accordingly. Many simply have to scrap the product and write any losses off their books. A 25% restocking fee is nothing special, and cheaper than some.

And, restocking fees are also in place to eliminate the tire kickers and people such as some of the ones above ^^^ from buying strictly on impulse, or without true intent of paying lawful consideration/renumeration.

There are enough scam artist buyers for both the digital and physical product businesses that want something for free, have no intention of actually keeping it (or refunding/chargeback their C.C. and keeping the product anyway - i.e. scum), and take advantage of weak return policies from manufacturer or (card) merchant in order to do so.

This manufacturer has a 30 day return policy and a three year warranty period for any defects. Compared to a lot of other products in the market, that's pretty generous.

Or, you can order substandard knockoffs on ebay. No returns, no refunds. Don't like how the unit works? Then you're SOL.

You can't buy a new car and then return it after a month because you don't like it. You can always re-sell it though - for a substantial hit. Caveat emptor.

Do your due diligence before you buy - or act like an adult, and learn from your experience for next time. There are no handouts in the real world. Deal with it.


-SX

P.S. Don't bother taking apart a unit to show folks the inner workings, LEDGirl. That's proprietary information, and no other manufacturer would do it. It won't convince anyone one way or another about the veracity of your results. If someone wants that, let them buy a unit and do it themselves, voiding their warranty.

Instead, just let the growing journals speak for your product. Four mods is more than enough, in addition to the ones already going on elsewhere. People can learn to wait. Or, buy a unit and do their own testing.

 

[SirSmokalot]

hello LEDgirl
i am very happy to see someone try to improve the technology for all of us hard core growers.
if i may, through 3rd party i have been hearing wonderful claims. claims about yeild concerning LED and new bulb tech... claims that LEDgirl make about yeild are in line with claims from trusted 3rd parties. i admit i was floored with claims from friends, and no doubt again floored to read these claims. however this does not create doubt for Sir, yet rather inspires curiosity which leads to quest for truth.
i trust the trials will prove you correct LEDgirl. i am so excited for this tech to take off. i only wish i could work with a company like yours on any level developing ground breaking products for our cause!
let the nay sayers/ college kids/ punks blow their horns all they want. ignore statements made by them and move on. the real people you want to help and real growers who read understand life couldnt exist without them trying to ruin what they can and their statements are quickly forgotten by the SMART.
for the record IMO that plant could very well be a pound. i have brought down much smaller plants and they were 1/3 the size easy and weighed over 4 oz. some people are bad at SCALE.
pics on a scale dont help idiots like these- they just think u have nickels n quarters in the middle of pile, then they post comments that dont help any of us Community members with anything except more clutter to look at!
i commend u for all the effort- regardless of the results we are all waiting for from the MODs. people like u are what the movement is all about. even if ya were a scammer(i know u r not) u still motivate people like me by creating a spark that old ways can change for the better for all of us
yes it is a bit more expensive to start up but you broke it down so well that it would take Ray Charles to not see the saving over the Long haul.
and sister i am all about sustainable and 6-10 years is sustainable.
u r doin it right! thanks for sharing and donating to the MODs
when i comes to improving i am all ears n eyes hehe
drop a line my way sometime n give some pointers- after all link is in the sig and i am a NEWB IMO
best of luck with your product and business!
Sir

 

[LEDGirl]

*snip*

Forget it... it will just get deleted anyway.

LED, I'm not trying to be rude. I would really like to see LED grow lights succeed. But if you make claims as specific as the ones you have made, expect skepticism and doubt, and be prepared to back it up.

Until the day that somebody does a side by side 400W HPS grow vs 126W LED grow, these questions will remain. All I suggest is that you lose the comparison to HID lighting on your site until that claim has been thoroughly vetted. I'm neither presuming that it is correct or incorrect at this point. But there should be a burden of proof for ANY vendor making ANY claim that specific.

I have zero problems with skepticism or doubt, that's why I set out to prove how efficient our units are, by sending multiple 126W's out to various moderators on these boards. I can't speed up time, so people will have to wait in order to see the 3rd party comparisons, as no one really wants the info from me, even though I've already supplied ample results using our LED grow lights, proving what they are capable of.

What I had a problem with, were people coming on to my thread and making baseless accusations, telling me what my lights can't do, that all my information was bogus, etc... I won't be called a fraud or a liar, especially by someone who has never used my product. If they had used my product, then they have all the right in the world to call me those things if they were true. What it comes down to is 4 months of selling units: zero negative feedback from any customers on the web, period, and zero returns. If our lights didn't live up to their claim, it would be very difficult to maintain a 100% satisfaction rate with our customers. Even those who had extended return policies chose not to use them. So again, while I have no problems with skeptics, they should analyze all the angles first.

Wouldn't it be kinda odd if someone with a bunk unit, decided to pre-pay for a year of advertising on a site when 3 months is all that is required? It wouldn't even take 3 months for someone to prove they were crap, meaning the money they spent on the other 9 months was a total waste! Wouldn't it also be a little odd if that same person's goal was to send out 4 free units to independent's for testing when they would certainly prove your claims false? I mean the things I've done have to speak to some level of our confidence in our claims, so in my eyes the skeptics overlook these important facts. I bought a year of advertising because I'm here to stay. My lights do what I claim (and demonstrate), which is why I won't back down when it comes to sticking around here, and letting others prove it

 

[LEDGirl]

Don't think this has been mentioned yet but Cammie donated 1000w of leds to Ed Rosenthal, hes doing a test at his blog for 1000w hps vs 1000w of leds

http://edrosenthal.blogspot.com/2008/12/led-lights.html

theres also some discussion here, looks like a hps vs led test also http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1588716&page=1

Yes, I did donate 3 x 318W to Ed Rosenthal for testing, however that is not the link to the test being done with my units (read at the top it says December 2008). Quite honestly, I'm amazed that Ed's friend would use those GlowPanels so damn high above the plants, unless he's trying to rig the comparison... Seems quite fishy to me, being that they aren't even .2W LED's in that thing.

All I have to say, is that better not be how our lights are used for the grow comparison... Our site states 6-12", as I directed when I first sent the units. Unfortunately for me, Ed was supposed to have photos to show the progress for me over a month ago. Still, I have no photos. I do know he's using our grow test for his next book though, and he wants to feature our entire product line, so my guess is that he likes them lol.