this is going to be interesting, i'm very happy to suspend my disbelief. 
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1512W LED Perpetual Medical Harvest (Aeroponics)
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Cheaper setup maybe. If you arn't running high dollar vent system, a/c. Cost over time factoring replacing HPS bulbs over and over + electricity ugh.
Some people don't want to accept that LED technology is still evolving. This girl is trying to share her setup and you guys call her a liar. Shameful.
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Sleepy is providing a documented grow and I trust his opinion, regardless of her claims and her posts.
I really hope the light are better than HID/HPS, we need something new.
Sorry for the hijack.
I really hope the light are better than HID/HPS, we need something new.
Sorry for the hijack.
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lvclosetgrower
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Are you serious??
I guess you have pics to prove it. Nice grow great pics, I never knew LEDS have that much power good luck
While I certainly respect your opinion, I'll go ahead and share my personal experience. Regardless of how much HID I was running at any given time (2k, 3k, 4k), I encountered lots of problems with heat (like when your daughter trips over the A/C cord). At times the A/C unit's storage tank would fill while I was at work, and I'd come home to a 100 degree room with wilted plants. Other times I'd leave for a week and my friend would forget to monitor 1 aspect of the room (water, heat, etc...), and I'd come home to half the garden I left. There were probably about 5-7 total cycles in the course of 4 years where I had a solid harvest which endured little to no stress. Consistency isn't the easiest thing to achieve for a learning gardener, when you're facing heat all the time, and it can make a big impact on your total yield. On a really good harvest, I'd hit 1 gram per watt or relatively close with my HID's, but I think if you averaged out all of my harvests, it would probably be around .7 grams per watt.
My recent switch was from 4,000W HID to 1512W LED. The retail on my 4,000W setup (digital ballasts, vented hoods, hortilux bulbs), was about $2200. The ventilation system was another $200, and the A/C was an additional $500. So all in all I dropped $2900 for my HID's, and was running about 5500W for the entire system.
The retail on my 12, 126W units (1512W LED) is $4800 shipped; a difference of $1900. I don't run A/C (except intermittently during the summer), and the noisy ventilation system is history. Each of my 126W lights really draws about 144W, as they have 6 small fans on them. 144W x 12 = 1728W. So every hour I am using approximately 3800W less.
That 3800W equates to about $160 on my electricity bill every month in savings. $160 x 12 = $1920 savings per year! That alone covers the cost difference between the two lighting systems. On top of the electricity savings, there are no bulbs to replace! My Hortilux Super HPS and Blue MH bulbs cost about $700 per year. So within my first year of using LED, I will actually save $700 over a comparable HID setup with all the necessary add-ons.
LED's last for 50,000 hours before they lose 30% of their total output, and 15,000 hours before they lose 10%. At 15,000 hours, that's 4 solid years in your bloom room before your light is at 90% of it's original output! Realistically though, they will last 6+ years in veg, and 10+ years in bloom.
So to sum it up, I save $700 this year, $2600 next year, $2600 the year after, and $2600 the year after that, just for switching to LED. On top of it all, my yields are more consistent now, the heat stress issue is no longer an issue, and my yield is also higher quality. So in my opinion, LED can save gardens of any size, a lot of money.
They measure 2' wide, 4' long, 1' deep. Keep that in mind when looking at the roots
thats a nice breakdown.
i like the garden too, looked really good. the LED lights seam to get penetration fairly good too?
i just upgraded to water-cooled lights, and dont have temp flux anymore. but im no where near as effeciant as you. mad props.
my buddy just fiinished up his 18 bubblesours under 2 300w grow panel pro leds. total yield was 9 ozs!!! thats garbage!!! i was customly building a 900w panel until i heard the bad news! ima wait until the tech gets better before i dump 1000's of dollars into a light that is way outperformed by one only costing $500... hate to dissapoint yall.. they are great for veg though!! i will say that!
2 grams/W would be pretty sweet!
What size or Wattage are your individual LED's, LEDGirl? Do your lamps plug right into the wall, or do you need an inverter? Or if you've got the inverter built-in, what kind of Amperage are you using? I had a little 6A inverter that came with a Coleman thermo-electric little cooler thing-a-majig......So anyhow when I got my little DIY LED setup set up, all of the wires and bulbs and everything got hella hot, hot enough to melt the hot glue I used to fasten them....and I'm not sure why....that didn't happen with the smaller 1/4W LED's I'd tested with before....
1W High Power LED'. Yep, they plug straight into the wall, regardless of what country you live in (we make them country specific). The units draw 1.2 amps.
1W LED's draw more current, and therefore produce more heat than the .2W LED's... They should be used on a metal board/heatsink to help dissipate some of the heat so you run them both at their optimal brightness, and keep them operating their full life span.
Our units come with US-Made LED's from Bridgelux and Semi. We use Japanese cooling fans, and I'm unsure as to the remainder of the components. The units were engineered and tested in the US, however they are assembled in China. We use the same casings as about 500+ other companies right now, but our product line is completely different. For example, the link you listed shows a 120W LED Grow light... this casing is the one we use for our 63W. The standard 300W casing that all my competitors load 288W into, comes with 126W from us. Our units were completely re-built from the ground up, based on our technology, not the pre-existing tech that keeps LED grow lights inefficient.
When I switch computers, I will post a picture documenting 4, 1000W HID's over my 2 trays (as I keep pictures from years back). I get so sick of you thick-headed people calling me a liar every chance you get, especially when I DISPROVE this crap every time... sick.
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Yes, they penetrate very well on plants up to 42" tall. If taller, then the 30 degree units would be needed for the added penetration of the taller canopy.
Grow Panel lol? You mean you trusted Sunshine Systems? Damn dude, I had no idea so many people actually bought into gimmicks like that. They don't even tell you what NM they use, and their 300W unit puts out less than half the micromoles per square foot of our unit (just got the test data last night). Why would you spend $1300 on a light when they don't even tell you what you're getting??? I just don't understand it. It's no wonder you yielded what you did, my friend yielded near double that with only 252W of our LED's... Sorry you got robbed man.
I would attribute those high yields to your aeroponics system way more than your LED lights.
A buddy of mine switched from his old hydro methods to aeroponics and DAMN do those nugs look fat now.
I am wholeheartedly sold on the fact LED lowers your energy costs, but I'm not quite sure they can be said to increase yield.
A buddy of mine switched from his old hydro methods to aeroponics and DAMN do those nugs look fat now.
I am wholeheartedly sold on the fact LED lowers your energy costs, but I'm not quite sure they can be said to increase yield.
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(not that you have or will, im just saying)LEDgirl please dont stoop to the level of the people calling bullshit or talking shit. just maintain the peace until mrwags, sleepy, and who ever else you gave a free unit to comes back and give us the repor(t)<---colbert reference. i really hope these things are as good as you say and i also hope we have more vendors from companies like yours here.
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Lonesome Burt
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the inside is a clean machine.
use the following analogy:
my 400 watt HPS is a 1970 302 Ford Mustang.
this thing is a new Shelby.
i need to 'get in on the highway', but so far, i am impressed.
i am seeing a 5 degree reduction in heat so far.
bear with us, the tests have only begun...
use the following analogy:
my 400 watt HPS is a 1970 302 Ford Mustang.
this thing is a new Shelby.
i need to 'get in on the highway', but so far, i am impressed.
i am seeing a 5 degree reduction in heat so far.
bear with us, the tests have only begun...
DankNugz420
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i plan on purchasing your 1500w set-up if good results are seen from these other guys! i would be ecstatic to use less air conditioning in my up and coming room!
