150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......

[OrgAeroMan]

Here's my cab (without poly) and some previous grows from my other cab all from 150w.

Here's my cab (without poly) and some previous grows from my other cab all from 150w.

 

[blwd67]

Thanks, acro, it is private.

orgaero, would an inline fan be available locally, or would I have to order off the internet. Carbon scrubber is my number one priority after I fix a little issue with one of the plants, I am going to try and build my own. I also need to light proof, but with the issues I am already having I am going to wait until after I get the carbon scrubber and better fans installed. On a good note, with cfls running now, and a humidifier in the closet, temps are around 75 and humidity is 40-50%.

 

[blwd67]

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Here are a couple pics, I cant get pics of the whole set up because there isnt enough room in the closet.



This is the plant that is having trouble. The two above are from a few days ago, both are now two or three nodes bigger.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

I'm no pot doctor, but the one that is light green looks to be overwatered (or in very hot soil).
The one you are concerned about may have a deficiency due to an overage. What I mean by that is, you can see that the plant has had a bit much Nitrogen, as the tips of the leaves showing nutrient burn is indicative of too much N. When a plant sees an over abundance of one nutrient, they may well end up being locked out for other nutrients. Sort of a too much of one causes too little of the other, type thing.

When I have plants at that age, I normally use feed at about 1/4 strength that I would give them if they were getting their last veg feed before flower. OR, I won't feed them at all until they give signs of needing fed. Usually if a plants leaves are a nice healthy shiny dark green, they need nothing.
There is no way of knowing exactly what a particular plant likes to eat and drink until it shows you. Some plants do not like extra feed at all..and I mean that any feeding like you would normal plants, and they will curl up and show you they are way overfed. These plants, and I have one, need soil and water to give a great harvest. Others need as much as you can give them, and the only way you know this is by not giving them anything and letting them show you.
Now, you can let them show you by giving too much, or you can let them show you by giving them nothing until they need it. Thing is, if you are feeding nothing and they ask for it, they will take it up real soon and the fix will be in. On the other hand, if you are feeding them heavy and waiting to see how they react, you may well lock something else out. Many will chase that deficiency and make things worse, because it is the overabundance of something else that is causing the problem.
Always best to start from little and give more if it asks.

 

[StoneElemental]

I already get most of the silencing stuff its pretty easy. However I was going to try and create that negative pressure in the cab with the fan pushing it thru the scrubber but I wasn't sure if that would dampen airflow. My cab would only be about 14 cubic feet with an 80+ cfm 4" inline. But it would have to cool two 150 watters and some cfl's on the veg clone side. I'm definately taking some photos today of my "to be" modified cab and I'll post as I get funds together showing most of the build.By the way sorry to anyone if I hijacked this but I felt it was relevant to me aswell.

-S.E.

Yeah dude, in-line fans come with mounting hardware, but you should put rubber grommets or some sort of shock absorber under them as they tend to get a little loud. If worse comes to worse, you can put a 4" flange on either side of the cab wall so you can connect the ducting from your cool tube to the inside wall, and the in-line fan to the outside one. Drawing air out of the cab and into your scrubber, which is in my experience quieter. Good luck buddy!

 

[StoneElemental]

An inline fan would be better as they are more powerful. With more power does come some more noise but sometimes that can be dealt with. From my experience PC fans or similiar fans are very limited on how well they can perform exhausting a cab all while pushing thru a scrubber while maintaining adequate airflow. Inline fans (duct/booster fans) are normally available around hardware and building supply stores almost everywhere but its up to you to check. I've found better inline fans online however and most are a little to a lot more expensive obviously the more expensive ones are the more high end quality and performance types. Sometime these higher end fans may not be what you need. I think you said you have something like 3 sq feet, well firstly when dealing with airflow you are directly dealing with Cubic feet (L x W x H). So figuring that out first would be helpful. Also since you said an 80mm fan is already doing a slightly decent job at exhausting your cab IMHO I'd say a normal inline booster fan from your local hardware store would do just fine and those are normally 20-30$ and can handle a properly set up and built carbon scrubber. Soon I'll be going thru every step of my build not only to show off a little but also to help spread some info and maybe even recieve a little help myself. Take care everyone and happy growing!

-S.E.

Thanks, acro, it is private.

orgaero, would an inline fan be available locally, or would I have to order off the internet. Carbon scrubber is my number one priority after I fix a little issue with one of the plants, I am going to try and build my own. I also need to light proof, but with the issues I am already having I am going to wait until after I get the carbon scrubber and better fans installed. On a good note, with cfls running now, and a humidifier in the closet, temps are around 75 and humidity is 40-50%.

 

[OrgAeroMan]

blwd: There are tons of great threads on here to show you how to build the scrubber. The inline fans you should be able to get at the hydro shop/ ebay/craigslist, but as StonedElemental has mentioned, they can be a bit pricy, upwards of $100. I lucked out and got one used on ebay for ~$70. Worth their weight in buds, especially if using a scrubber. I find the inline booster fans from the hardware stores get bogged down relatively easily when using a filter, however they are much cheaper and if you can get away with it, more power to you. Be aware that the cfm rating on them is for their top rate aided by other fans, which I think is B.S. I've used the 6" version successfully with a cool tube, but without a scrubber. The vortex style is by far superior and will pay for itself the first harvest. Good luck dude.

 

[blwd67]

Thanks for the replies, guys.

My cab is 3 cubic feet, so it is pretty small. The pc fan is doing a decent job now that the 150 is off, but I stil need to upgrade before late veg/flower.

SE, Thanks for the advice on inline fans, I'll get serious and start looking around. This was my first cab, and I have to admit I did wing it a bit. If I can get slightly strongr airflow than I have now while using a filter I think with some extra fans for circulation, as well as a way better system for exhausting the heat from the light, It should be a pretty good setup for small perpetual single cola sog type deal. Tall plants packed in a small space.

Lookin forward to seeing your new cab build, man.

Hoosier, dude, thank you and I think you are spot on. I posted a question about it in the 'wanna ask the old farts a question' thread, but ended up finding out the answer myself; it was right there in the 'complete guide to sick plants...' thread.

I definitely have been over feeding her; I grow all organic so I mixed what I thought was a pretty good soil mix. Less than two weeks from seed she started to yellow a bit so for whatever reason I fed her with the only store bought fert I have, Alaska all purpuse (9-4-4). Pretty much my soil was way to hot and I feed even more. But hey, I am new and this is a completely unknown strain (from a freebee bag of mixed seeds).

Great diagnosis man, you called that one perfect I think.

Edit: I forgot to mention that I watered heavily last night when I was chillin on a nice indica.

 

[OrgAeroMan]

Cab with poly and inline

Cab with poly and inline

 

[blwd67]

Sweet setup dude. What made you decide to mount that light vertical? That is something I am thinking about doing.

 

[OrgAeroMan]

There have been some really good vertical grows with the 150w hps on here. Some are Hoosier daddy, Propoline, Vintner, Catman, and BigBallin. I got most of my ideas from these fellas just lurking. I must recommend that you use hps and not MH as the plants don't get to stretch enough in veg. It really helps with height restrictions and like 90% is 5" or closer to the plants, so you get super dense nugs. Plus with roughly an 18x18 actual growing area on each of my four walls (18x18x4=1296 sq.in. divided by 144=9 sq. ft.) you can triple the growing area for the 150. Check out the vertical threads of the aforementioned cats and dig in. Excellent info. Highly recommended.

 

[blwd67]

I'll check them out. How much space do I need roughly between the walls of the cab and the screen? How far should the screen be from the bulb?

Hey Hoosier, my mistake I though orgaero wrote that excellent diagnosis of my erred up plant.

If I took apart my 150 and dropped it in w/ cool tube and everything I don't think I would have more than 6" in any direction.

 

[OrgAeroMan]

I don't know, I don't use a screen. I'm going for 8 single cola clones one week apart to harvest one a week. I'll bet you can put some screen along the walls and tie your plants to it to give you a little more space. I have some leaves touching the tube right near the lamp with no side-effects, however I'm also using about 200cfm of airflow now. They are just about to show sex. Almost time to clip, flip and choose the best, so stoked! Oh yeah, I'm running 3 AK-47 (from Serious Seeds), 2 C99xDeep Chunk (from CannaCopia), and 2 Chuck-Ds (also from CannaCopia). I have also have recently popped some of my own F1s of a strain I call Dreamgirl (Soma's N.Y.C.D. x Unknown locally grown sativa x Unknown locally grown indica) that I have been selectively breeding for the last seven years. Medium yeilder (working on that), but incredibly tasty/killer smoke. Good luck fellas.

 

[South_Am_fan]

Colombian Red Haze under 150 watts

Colombian Red Haze under 150 watts

Hi everyone!

Let me show you a few picture from my buddy Hazeface!

It has been grown from seed, originates from seedsman and will probably finish at around 15 to 16 weeks.

The pictures that are showing show this lady at its 96th day of flowering.

Enjoy

 

[OrgAeroMan]

Wow, 15-16 weeks?! Ultra sativa! I wish I had the patience for a grow like that. It looks great, and at 96 days flowering, it looks like she's got plenty of time to go! Nice plant guy.

 

[blwd67]

dude that plant is nuts, 96 days?? Its gonna be awesome smoke though. I love a good sativa.

 

[OrgAeroMan]

Can I join the 150w club?

 

[Hazeface]

Columbian Red Haze con't

Columbian Red Haze con't

Hey there, just wanted to post a few more pics of my lady, again, these are from her 96th day....still 2 more weeks! grown under 150w hps. i was probably going to harvest in the next few days, and then new branches and buds started appearing everywhere....ho hum!
This will be the second time I have grown this strain, (by far the best i have ever had) and only my 4th plant ever.
i hope you enjoy!

 

[OrgAeroMan]

Here are the kids mid week 3 from seed.

Here are the kids mid week 3 from seed.

 

[OrgAeroMan]

Left to right, top to bottom: C99x Deep Chunk 1, AK-47 1,AK-47 2, C99x Deep Chunk 2, Chuck-D 1, AK-47 3, Chuck-D 2. I cooked Chuck-D 1 and locked out N, and underfed AK-47 2. They are starting to bounce back. The run-off from Chuck-D 1 was over 400 ppm, so I flushed her down to 270 ppm. Just flipped to 12/12 today to separate the boys from the girls. I'll be keeping any superior males to breed with.