150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......

[Guest]

well sugabear your right it is a 175 mercury vapor it says so on the bulb.

(thanks 4 the quick reply bud)

Its the ballast that came with the bulb so it must be the right one.

i allso got my hands on a 150 what metal halide bulb can this be used in the same ballast?

i got a fan that runs on 120v and i think that its enough because the plants are still alive. But this makes me wonder does there have to be air movement in the cab it self? or is a active exhaust enough. You see i am growing a strain that smells each time its moved and i dont have a carbon scruber so it would stink up the place

I have done a whole lot of growing out doors so i dont think thats the problem its got to be the light.

I water about every 2days or so

The cab is 3.5tall-3wide-1.5deep

a pic of the inside



the fan


plant 2weeks ago

 

[shasta]

Thinking of joining the 150 club...lowes has a 150 hps security light intended for wall or post mounting. Can the wires on this thing be wired out of the box to cord for plugging into an outlet? Any safety issues? I think you get I'm challenged in this dept. All help appreciated.

Shasta

 

[sugabear_II]

bajanbudder - I have heard that some of the ballasts that run a 175 watt mercury vapor will also run a 175 watt metal halide, however I would never recommend doing this as you have a chance of fire, etc...

If I was in your shoes I would plug in a few CFLs for the time being and go get a HPS ballast (Check the 1st page of this thread for some cheap on-line places) and toss that ballast.

Thinking of joining the 150 club...lowes has a 150 hps security light intended for wall or post mounting. Can the wires on this thing be wired out of the box to cord for plugging into an outlet? Any safety issues? I think you get I'm challenged in this dept. All help appreciated.

Shasta

Yes the lowes lamp will work well. You could wire the leads coming out of the metal box to a cord and male plug and then cover the day/night senor and it will work. However I highly recommend remoting the ballast and mounting the lamp.

I've been running a remotely ballested 150 from lowes for over a year now w/o issue. If you look back several pages in this thread you will see the whole post on how to wire a 150 remotely.

-suga

 

[Guest]

Hey guys...thanx for the tips sugabear...i think i will definitely scrog and hope i get 6 females from these babies.here's some pics of 2 weeks growth:














mutant next to a normal plant



basking

 

[sugabear_II]

a couple of pics from my garden around day 35 of flower...


-suga

 

[BoB91]

Update first girl!

Update first girl!













Well this has been my progression. How she look? Ok I hope? Just a bagseed anyway. Use the good genetics when I get some more experience. But before I do that I have to some how build a cab like some of you all. My technique right now is lights on at night. Then in the morning I put her in this little cabinet thing covered with cardboard and towels. There are some light leaks but so far no nanners yet. At night she doesnt get much air flow. No money now cause I am getting married this weekend and I have my first child due in about 8 months. So yeah got a lot on my plate. Anyways have a good evening, day, morning what ever time of day it is where your at. I know it depends on a lot of factors but why are there not alot of trichomes? Nevermind dont answer that too many possibilities. I just hope she starts to wear some diamonds soon or I will be disappointed. Oh well! Later yall

 

[Guest]

Lookin' good bob, don't worry about the trichs, she'll haze up when she's ready. keep in mind, some strains don't get real hazy but will still kick your ass

suga, wow you always got some nice shots for us what's the lineage on the oregon90? it looks trichey from where i sit

coffin keep us updated im curious to see how that skunk x hawaiian turns out. is that a nirvana strain?

here's some pics for the 150 heads! i'm showing a zinc deficiency in all my plants in my new mix, but other than that these fuckers are overgrowing my screen! i've been too damn busy to get everything done, but these need to flower SOON. i'm going to switch to 12/12 within the next few days. here's a before and after shot of some v-scrog training.....

BEFORE



AFTER



Zip ties come in handy with the v-scrog.

 

[Jaxom]

I'd like to thank those that replied to my questions on page 25. And I will take everything mentioned into concideration. About fans, someone mentioned using a fan of 100cfm. I'm wondering if this will be enough. The way I'm going to mount the muffin fans is from the inside with a guard over the fans so the plants don't get tangled into the blades. On the outside I wanna use some smallish trim pieces of wood so I can slip those carbon style aquarium filters in behind them. Tight enough so bugs won't get in when the fans are off. This way I can avoid building a scrubber, yet have the oder control of one. But how much cfl will I loose blowing right into a filter? Also, I did find muffin fans rated at 200 cfm! BUT are loud, with a sound rating of 65db!!! Will the carbon filters muffle the sound or should I think of some sort of baffels?

Someone mentioned that I may not have enough light with 4' tall box. I'm still at a point in construction I can shorten the box a bit. So here's my thoughts on that. This will be a scrog style grow. I one bucket I'm looking at is 9" tall add another 7" for space between bucket and screen, leaves me about 16" of grow space if you assume that you can't have the hps right ontop of the plants without risking burn or possibly causing a fire. To keep the plants from streching really bad I was planning on mounting the hps on a movable shelf that I could raise and lower according to plant hieght. Does this seem plausable enough? I really don't like airy buds. I want them nice and hard! Pipedream uses cfl's to augment his hps, I could use a pair warm bulbs and keep the same diamentions.

The alternative is to cut the box down 12", something I'm actually serious concidering. Not for any reasons mentioned here, more for apperence sake. A 4' tall box seems to me it might be trying to hide something, where as a 3' tall box would be too small to concider same. Ya know what I mean? I've seen a smaller "bucket" that's only 20qt and has a height of 4", so I can save some space there, and mebbe lower my screen to 6" above the bucket. So with 36" total height, subtract 10 for bucket/screen and 10" for the lamp still gives 16" of grow space between top of screen to bulb. I'd really like a scrog guru to give me advice on this!!! (have a few other scrog questions but won't ask them here).


thanks all

Jaxxx

 

[Guest]

Hi User Name---Just looked thru your gallery and I love your setup.Ya got me thinkin now. I will definitely keep my grow updated.As for where this strain is from I dunno,my buddy has had this in his growroom since the early nineties.

 

[BoB91]

Thanks User Name and hello to everyone else.

 

[sugabear_II]

I'd like to thank those that replied to my questions on page 25. And I will take everything mentioned into concideration. About fans, someone mentioned using a fan of 100cfm. I'm wondering if this will be enough. The way I'm going to mount the muffin fans is from the inside with a guard over the fans so the plants don't get tangled into the blades. On the outside I wanna use some smallish trim pieces of wood so I can slip those carbon style aquarium filters in behind them. Tight enough so bugs won't get in when the fans are off. This way I can avoid building a scrubber, yet have the oder control of one. But how much cfl will I loose blowing right into a filter? Also, I did find muffin fans rated at 200 cfm! BUT are loud, with a sound rating of 65db!!! Will the carbon filters muffle the sound or should I think of some sort of baffels?

Someone mentioned that I may not have enough light with 4' tall box. I'm still at a point in construction I can shorten the box a bit. So here's my thoughts on that. This will be a scrog style grow. I one bucket I'm looking at is 9" tall add another 7" for space between bucket and screen, leaves me about 16" of grow space if you assume that you can't have the hps right ontop of the plants without risking burn or possibly causing a fire. To keep the plants from streching really bad I was planning on mounting the hps on a movable shelf that I could raise and lower according to plant hieght. Does this seem plausable enough? I really don't like airy buds. I want them nice and hard! Pipedream uses cfl's to augment his hps, I could use a pair warm bulbs and keep the same diamentions.

The alternative is to cut the box down 12", something I'm actually serious concidering. Not for any reasons mentioned here, more for apperence sake. A 4' tall box seems to me it might be trying to hide something, where as a 3' tall box would be too small to concider same. Ya know what I mean? I've seen a smaller "bucket" that's only 20qt and has a height of 4", so I can save some space there, and mebbe lower my screen to 6" above the bucket. So with 36" total height, subtract 10 for bucket/screen and 10" for the lamp still gives 16" of grow space between top of screen to bulb. I'd really like a scrog guru to give me advice on this!!! (have a few other scrog questions but won't ask them here).


thanks all

Jaxxx

hey jaxxx - you mistook what I said which was the 2' x 2' foot print (4 square feet) could use more light than the 150. I was not refering to the 4 foot height of the box. Extra vertical room is always welcome as you can do things like username is doing where the bulb is hung vertically and the plants grow around the a screen around the bulb. This type of vertical scrog is the most efficient method of growing we've seen documented here so far

On the question of changing the height to 3' (36") I think you'll be fine. Take a look at my cabinet. I've only got 30" total height. I use 2 gallon buckets which are 8" or 10" tall leaving me not soo much room. If you have good air movement you can have the bulb just a few inches away without issue even w/o a cool tube. So yes you can take it down to 36" and still be able to do a couple of nice horizontal scrogs in there. A couple of things to remember; Stretch will be considerable even on indicas when growing hydro. I suggest flowering at no more than 3 weeks from seed - less if you veg under the 150 - I like to use those daylight CFL's for veg as they keep the plant squat and increase root growth. When you get clones going I would flower almost as soon as they're well rooted. A tiny clone with 2 sets of leaves (nodes) in a hydro setup will easily fill a super simple scrog screen by the end of stretch. Vegging too long is just a battle you don't want to fight with your plant because you'll be topping it and what not which causes stress and allows bugs and disease to take hold. that and in hydro dwc you can run out of root room pretty quickly. I've had root balls at the end of flower that would be too big for a 1 gallon bucket and the clone was just barely showing roots when flower started!

On the fans - what do you mean by a muffin fan? do you mean those duct booster fans they sell at home depot? cause they aren't very good. If you can afford it buy a decent fan. A good quality bathroom fan can be used and will be quiet and can be bought at home depot. I use a 134 CFM dayton blower and it is more than adequate for the job even pushing through a carbon filter.

On the odor control - I tried the same thing you're thinking - that is pushing air through those carbon filters they sell at the fish store. It can be done but I ended up changing the filter weekly in flower and even then there was some smell. You can easily build your own can style scrubber that will work much better. See the whole thing is surface area - you want the most air in contact with the most carbon. and you want the most airflow you can get to keep temps down and the air moving. A cylinder or can type filter has much more surface area and hence works much better. There are some plans around here somewhere. You could hang it inside the cabinet at the roof and draw the air through the filter or you can push the air out of the filter. Pushing air through a filter will provide some noise control too but I can't imagine how you could mount the filter on the outside without anyone noticing.

If there's one thing I can't stress enough in building a cabinet it is airflow and odor control. You should budget to spend at least as much on a fan as you do on your light and the same for odor control. You can do it half assed and risk problems later and you'll still end up spending as much in the end.

IMHO A good fan will be more quiet and you'll never regret spending the money.

-suga

p.s. - username - flip them bitches already will you?!? Oregon90 is a mostly indica strain that originates from ORegon90. As you can see it is covered in trichs. The plant is the most potent thing I have had in my garden thus far. It has a slight hermie issue around day 34 it puts out some pollen and makes a few seeds (like 6 per ounce) but it really doesn't bother me. In fact I just crossed this plant with a burmese pure male and I am really excited to try the offspring.

bob congrads on the girl

 

[BoB91]

thanks sugabear. Hopefully some day I will have plants like you all. I have some sadp x s#1(2 packs), TH seeds choc chunk, mmm#2 and c99 pineapple pheno and cali-o. Any idea on which would be the easiest to grow out for a noob like me? I tried one cali o and sadpxs1 but both turned male on me.

 

[sugabear_II]

Bob, I think you'll have a plant like the rest of us real soon the way that one is coming along - she looks awesome with plenty of bud sites!

IF I was you I'd go for the c99 as people seem to do well with that plant. I don't know much about the other strains what's (mmm#2?) but I've heard cali-o is easy to grow too (is that california orange from nirvania or is it ae-77 calio from the clone company?). Choc chunk sounds good to me just because of the name.

-suga

 

[BoB91]

MagicMysteryMix #2(MMM), and yes it is Nirvana's Cali-O! I hope she turns out all right. Is it normal for leaves to turn yellow and die throughout their life or only when they are end of their maturity? Some of my leaves are dying. Oh well thanks for your support and we will just have to see the outcome. I think I am going to try the C-99 because I have no way of hiding the smell and I read that Cali-O is one stinky girl!

 

[sugabear_II]

bob, it's normal for leaves to die if they're under the canopy and not getting much light. otherwise it would spell some deficiency. How far are you into flower? week 4-5 I'd guess? It's not necessarily good to be losing leaves just now. I'm not a soil expert so I'll leave that kinda stuff up to others. From your pic things look pretty good except a little leaf droop on some.

on the seed selection - yeah I think c99 will keep your odor down for sure.

Edit: adding some pics - day 41 of flower

 

[Jaxom]

Sugabear,

Ya know right after I turned off my laptop, it dawned on me that you were talking about sq ft. not cubed foot! duh!!! (does v-8 style smack to head!)

I was wondering you have any pics of your set-up? You seem to be one of the experts on micro/scrog around. Kinda feeling my way around after the loss of OG. And that fact that I'm switching from sog in a 20sqft closet grow to this much more scaled down personal grow.

Muffin fans....same thing as a computer fan. I'm not trying to fight you with your advice...that'd be bad karma. I'm just trying to stay stealthy as possible by not having a huge fan sticking out the back of what sappose to be a speaker stand. That or having a flexible style dryer hose going to some kinda bucket. That's why I'm trying to hunt down some kind of "flat" type oder control, some thing that's right up close to the back of the box. I did find via google a small room ozone generator over at http://www.amazing1.com. Runs $60 full assembled. I could always have that near the back of the box too.

Now you're really confusing me on the scrogging! One person says wait till the plant his the screen, then flower. Another says wait till screen is 75% full, then flower. You're saying flower before the plant gets near the screen? See, I'd really like to have only two plants filling the screen, if that is all possible. I know for round figures it's easy to say I'll have 4sq feet of growing room. But if you start deducting the thickness of the plywood, say another inch or so of space between screen frame and walls, then include then thickness of the screen frame...ugh! this all adds up, but point being I'll prob at best have 2.75-3.0 of sqft of screening, no? (I hope this made sence...rough day, and nothing to calm the nerves down.)

Just for reference sake, I've got a Snow White mother plant ready to clone once box is done. I also have Aurora Indicia and Citral waiting to be sprouted, sexed and cloned. Snow White is an excellent single cola squat sog style strain, mildly skunky, but not too bad. I hope she makes the transition to scrog!

Jaxxx

 

[Guest]

hey jax! how's it gonin?

i thought i'd give my 2cents on scrog height. i feel that it's easier to make a judgement if you base it on the strain. if you're scrogging a strain that has a good stretch when beginning to flower, then you might want to flower them once they hit the screen. if you have a very squat strain that doesn't stretch upon flowering, then you might want to let everything grow a few inches through it.

SCROG is all about maximizing and evening out budsites. When you have one budsite closer to the light, it will receive more nutrients. The point of SCROG is that you can grow all nice tops, and have minimal undeveloped buds underneath.

personally, i let everything grow through, then re-adjust the tips that are growing higher than others. this way, when i do flower, i've got every growth tip on the screen at a somewhat even level.

i hope this helps man, i don't want to confuse you any more, but if you have any questions we're always here for ya!

 

[Guest]

hey got a 150 hps, doing a waterfarm with plant in rapid cube placed into the drip waterfarm. wondering how many times a day should i water my girl?

 

[Guest]

also should my girl be in the center, or underneath a drip?

 

[iamhigh]

Jaxom be carefull with those Ozone generators.. too much in an confined area will be bad for plants and you as well. I have one outside of my wardrobe which is outside my walk in closet which is in my master bedroom and i can smell fresh ozone when my doors have been shut all day and i come home. but it seems to take care of smell .. or so i think but ive never had to deal with smelly plants..