Think Green
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need to figure veg rrom. if i have 2 50k bloom room, need to figure hoe to keep those 2 rooms stocked for harvest 3 times a yr
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1000 Plant Commercial Grow
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Think Green
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if i can fit 250 in bloom under 50k do i need 50k to veg? is that enough to feed both bloom rooms?
Think Green
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idea for facility layout
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Um 64 per light times 100 is 6400 plants that need to be prepped cloned transplanted. .. not a good plan imo...
Even at 7 8 lights that's a shit ton of work...
badass. Good luck, and think green!
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Yea i was revolving around my math not his lol its not based on a 100 lights or investors. Isn't a shit ton of work the end goal?
How do you fit 100 plants under each light? On per sq ft is 16 plants per light.
4"x4" rockwool cubes gets you to 144 plants in a 4'x4'.
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Investors won't like to see a team of 10 helpers when proper planning could be 1 or 2 helpers..
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Yea it turns back into growing as much as you can trim and sell alone if you go by that logic. On the flip side investors don't like to see 1-2 people struggling to do in a season what 10 helpers can do in a day.
Run 25 per lamp 5x5 space, vertizontal hoods, grow indica dominate hybrid cuts to 9" and put them into flower, pinch (supercrop) them right up 12 days flower so you have several heads, grow in coco or perlite with multi feeding per day in 6.5Ltr pots and shoot for 40oz per lamp, run perpeptual and have a harvest/new cuts going into flower every 2 weeks so your workload is spread out.....that's how I'd do it
Think Green
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oh boy, well my partner has a meeting with the investor tomorrow. so ill be up all night putting together an itemized list of equipment i find pertinent to starting up. so...yeah...here we go.
Think Green
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im thinking 5 plants under each 1kw lamp in bloom...so 50 lights 2 rooms 250 plants each room.
Investors tend to be impressed by things like gram yield per kw hour and electricity cost per gram and stuff like that. Are you planning on running gavitas?
Modern setups aren't really optimized towards efficiency because wholesale revenue per gram is still so high it's not really worth it. Here is a very interesting paper looking at yield vs potency for 270, 400, & 600 watt HPS:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByW-RytTeYMQMTc3M2MxYzMtNjUxZi00ZGZhLTg0YWMtYjAzMzNjNGY5NDEw/edit
Yield was .9 grams a watt from 600 watt vs 1.6 grams per watt from 270 watt with identical potency. At .10 per kw hour thats $.07 per gram for 600 watt vs $.04 a gram for 270 watt for electric cost of 8 week flowering cycle, not including likely reduced cooling costs.
Running a gavita and getting a gram per watt you're looking at about 739 kw hours per light for an 8 week flowering cycle. At .10 per KW hour that's $.07 per gram. So running the number it pays at this point in time to build the biggest baddest highest yielding setup you can
Modern setups aren't really optimized towards efficiency because wholesale revenue per gram is still so high it's not really worth it. Here is a very interesting paper looking at yield vs potency for 270, 400, & 600 watt HPS:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByW-RytTeYMQMTc3M2MxYzMtNjUxZi00ZGZhLTg0YWMtYjAzMzNjNGY5NDEw/edit
Yield was .9 grams a watt from 600 watt vs 1.6 grams per watt from 270 watt with identical potency. At .10 per kw hour thats $.07 per gram for 600 watt vs $.04 a gram for 270 watt for electric cost of 8 week flowering cycle, not including likely reduced cooling costs.
Running a gavita and getting a gram per watt you're looking at about 739 kw hours per light for an 8 week flowering cycle. At .10 per KW hour that's $.07 per gram. So running the number it pays at this point in time to build the biggest baddest highest yielding setup you can
on timing if your just doing two rooms and you only need to veg half the bloom time then stagger your bloom rooms so your veg room can stay full.... ie cut one 50 light room every 5 weeks would give you 10 weeks bloom time and your veg would stay full always...
100 lights should be easy for two people... i know a lot of people heading up multiple 50-100 light places... neeed a good system and then its just timing...
100 lights should be easy for two people... i know a lot of people heading up multiple 50-100 light places... neeed a good system and then its just timing...
Think Green
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im not sure how i got 3 harvest a yr....im sure my mind was far out. im still not quite sure how many harvest i can do a yr but i was able to complete an itemized list of equipment needed. ill post that list. Feel free to anyone to point out anything Ive missed
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Vegitative Room
10 1000w Gavita Pro D.E. Light Systems MSRP. $424.97 ea. $4249.70
8 16" Air King 9018 Oscillating Wall Fans MSRP. $50.07 ea. $400.56
1 Phresh Carbon Filter 14 X 40 2200cfm MSRP. $321.24 ea. $321.24
1 Quest Dual 215 Overhead commercial Dehum. MSRP. $3550.99 ea. $3550.99
1 Vortex Powerfan V-Series 12" 2200 cfm. MSRP. $706.35 ea. $706.35
25 4x8 Hydroponic Tables MSRP. $132.50 ea. $3312.50
2 Daikin 18,000 BTU Ductless Wall Mount A/C MSRP. $501.00 ea. $1002.00
1 Polymart 250ga Water Resivoir MSRP. $324.95 ea. $324.95
1 Commercial Air Pump 110L/min MSRP. $89.96 ea. $89.96
1 Pentaiar Sub Utility Pump .75hp MSRP. $408.53 ea. $408.53
1 AutoPilot Greenhouse Master Controller MSRP. $417.42 ea. $417.42
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$14,784.20
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Cloning / Propogation Room
6 Quantum Badboy 16 bulb T5 Systems MSRP. $411.40 ea. $2468.40
3 144 site Turbo Klone Systems MSRP. $328.90 ea. $986.70
6 4' 2 Bulb T5 Systems sun-960-296 MSRP. $71.95 ea. $431.70
1 70 pint Dehumidifier MSRP. $199.00 ea. $199.00
3 ULINE 48 x 24 x 72 Shelving Units MSRP. $197.00 ea. $591.00
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$4676.80
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Bloom Rooms
100 1000w Gavita Pro D.E. Light Systems MSRP. $424.97 ea. $42,497.00
4 Phresh Carbon Filter 14 X 40 2200cfm MSRP. $321.24 ea. $1284.96
40 16" Air King 9018 Oscillating Wall Fans MSRP. $50.07 ea. $2002.80
2 Quest Dual 215 Overhead commercial Dehum. MSRP. $3550.99 ea. $7101.98
80 4x8 Hydroponic Tables MSRP. $132.50 ea. $10600.00
8 36,000 BTU Klimaire A/C Units MSRP. $1364.96 ea. $10919.68
2 Ares 10 C02 Generators MSRP. $415.00 ea. $830.00
2 Polymart 500ga Water Resivoirs MSRP. $474.95 ea. $949.90
4 Commercial Air Pump 110L/min MSRP. $89.96 ea. $358.76
2 Little Giant 3/4 4900GPH Pumps MSRP. $324.47 ea. $648.94
1 Link 4 iPonic 624 Dual Zone Controller MSRP. $1324.91 ea. $1324.91
2 AquaEuro 1HP Water Chillers MSRP. $1199.95 ea. $2399.90
4 Vortex Powerfan V-Series 12" 2200 cfm. MSRP. $706.35 ea. $2825.40
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$87,744.23
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Botanicare Nutrients
15 gallons Kind Grow MSRP. $280.44 ea. $280.44
15 gallons Kind Bloom MSRP. $280.44 ea. $280.44
15 gallons Liquid Karma MSRP. $495.10 ea. $495.10
15 gallons Hydro Gurad MSRP. $536.25 ea. $536.25
15 gallons Sweet Raw MSRP. $485.06 ea. $485.06
15 gallons Pure Blend Tea MSRP. $229.43 ea. $229.43
15 gallons Hydroplex MSRP. $679.37 ea. $679.37
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$2986.09
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Growing Medium & Containers
10 Pallets/600 1.75 cu.ft. Botanicare CocoGro Bags MSRP. $20.30 ea. $12,180.00
500 10 Gallon ABS Plastic Pots MSRP. $4.32 ea. $2160.00
500 5 Gallon ABS Plastic Pots MSRP. $1.21 ea. $605.00
500 1 Gallon ABS Plastic Pots MSRP. $0.98 ea. $490.00
10 Super Propagtor Tray,Dome & Heat Mat Combo MSRP. $27.77 ea. $270.70
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$15,705.70
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Water Purification
1 U.S. Water Systems Commercial R/O 2000GPD System MSRP. $3495.00 ea. $3495.00
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10 1000w Gavita Pro D.E. Light Systems MSRP. $424.97 ea. $4249.70
8 16" Air King 9018 Oscillating Wall Fans MSRP. $50.07 ea. $400.56
1 Phresh Carbon Filter 14 X 40 2200cfm MSRP. $321.24 ea. $321.24
1 Quest Dual 215 Overhead commercial Dehum. MSRP. $3550.99 ea. $3550.99
1 Vortex Powerfan V-Series 12" 2200 cfm. MSRP. $706.35 ea. $706.35
25 4x8 Hydroponic Tables MSRP. $132.50 ea. $3312.50
2 Daikin 18,000 BTU Ductless Wall Mount A/C MSRP. $501.00 ea. $1002.00
1 Polymart 250ga Water Resivoir MSRP. $324.95 ea. $324.95
1 Commercial Air Pump 110L/min MSRP. $89.96 ea. $89.96
1 Pentaiar Sub Utility Pump .75hp MSRP. $408.53 ea. $408.53
1 AutoPilot Greenhouse Master Controller MSRP. $417.42 ea. $417.42
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$14,784.20
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Cloning / Propogation Room
6 Quantum Badboy 16 bulb T5 Systems MSRP. $411.40 ea. $2468.40
3 144 site Turbo Klone Systems MSRP. $328.90 ea. $986.70
6 4' 2 Bulb T5 Systems sun-960-296 MSRP. $71.95 ea. $431.70
1 70 pint Dehumidifier MSRP. $199.00 ea. $199.00
3 ULINE 48 x 24 x 72 Shelving Units MSRP. $197.00 ea. $591.00
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$4676.80
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Bloom Rooms
100 1000w Gavita Pro D.E. Light Systems MSRP. $424.97 ea. $42,497.00
4 Phresh Carbon Filter 14 X 40 2200cfm MSRP. $321.24 ea. $1284.96
40 16" Air King 9018 Oscillating Wall Fans MSRP. $50.07 ea. $2002.80
2 Quest Dual 215 Overhead commercial Dehum. MSRP. $3550.99 ea. $7101.98
80 4x8 Hydroponic Tables MSRP. $132.50 ea. $10600.00
8 36,000 BTU Klimaire A/C Units MSRP. $1364.96 ea. $10919.68
2 Ares 10 C02 Generators MSRP. $415.00 ea. $830.00
2 Polymart 500ga Water Resivoirs MSRP. $474.95 ea. $949.90
4 Commercial Air Pump 110L/min MSRP. $89.96 ea. $358.76
2 Little Giant 3/4 4900GPH Pumps MSRP. $324.47 ea. $648.94
1 Link 4 iPonic 624 Dual Zone Controller MSRP. $1324.91 ea. $1324.91
2 AquaEuro 1HP Water Chillers MSRP. $1199.95 ea. $2399.90
4 Vortex Powerfan V-Series 12" 2200 cfm. MSRP. $706.35 ea. $2825.40
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$87,744.23
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Botanicare Nutrients
15 gallons Kind Grow MSRP. $280.44 ea. $280.44
15 gallons Kind Bloom MSRP. $280.44 ea. $280.44
15 gallons Liquid Karma MSRP. $495.10 ea. $495.10
15 gallons Hydro Gurad MSRP. $536.25 ea. $536.25
15 gallons Sweet Raw MSRP. $485.06 ea. $485.06
15 gallons Pure Blend Tea MSRP. $229.43 ea. $229.43
15 gallons Hydroplex MSRP. $679.37 ea. $679.37
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$2986.09
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Growing Medium & Containers
10 Pallets/600 1.75 cu.ft. Botanicare CocoGro Bags MSRP. $20.30 ea. $12,180.00
500 10 Gallon ABS Plastic Pots MSRP. $4.32 ea. $2160.00
500 5 Gallon ABS Plastic Pots MSRP. $1.21 ea. $605.00
500 1 Gallon ABS Plastic Pots MSRP. $0.98 ea. $490.00
10 Super Propagtor Tray,Dome & Heat Mat Combo MSRP. $27.77 ea. $270.70
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$15,705.70
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Water Purification
1 U.S. Water Systems Commercial R/O 2000GPD System MSRP. $3495.00 ea. $3495.00
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Interesting
Interesting
5 harvests is easy but prepetual is the best if you have full time workers. I would harvest 10-15 lights a week every week of the year. I would do 10 of those carbon filters instead of 4. I would consider some serious plumbing for irrigation and a large clean up area and some way to efficiently deal with runoff. I think you might be underestimating the number of dehumidifiers. I run 215s in small rooms and they work pretty hard the last few weeks, that's a lot of big plants. I might do 5 20 light rooms, 30x30 and harvest one every two weeks and make them identical with same equipment in each and I would have an extra rooms worth of equipment on site ready to go for when replacements are needed. The building you use will decide a lot for you. Sounds like an awesome opportunity.
Interesting
5 harvests is easy but prepetual is the best if you have full time workers. I would harvest 10-15 lights a week every week of the year. I would do 10 of those carbon filters instead of 4. I would consider some serious plumbing for irrigation and a large clean up area and some way to efficiently deal with runoff. I think you might be underestimating the number of dehumidifiers. I run 215s in small rooms and they work pretty hard the last few weeks, that's a lot of big plants. I might do 5 20 light rooms, 30x30 and harvest one every two weeks and make them identical with same equipment in each and I would have an extra rooms worth of equipment on site ready to go for when replacements are needed. The building you use will decide a lot for you. Sounds like an awesome opportunity.
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