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100% Sativas (Have you ever tried one?)

Mustafunk

Brand new oldschool
Veteran
I started growing pure tropical plants some years ago (notice that I try not to keep using the traditional term “sativas”). After I started smoking and growing commercial stuff as White Widow, AK47, SuperSkunk and so on (it was the dutch strains golden era and the only strains sold at the shops) we got our hands once in a few Congolese seeds shared by a fellow grower with me. All the atlantic maritime areas of Spain were a place where ships from Africa stopped often, sometimes they carried seeds and weed for selling so we had many Africans in Spain as our American fellas had oldschool Colombian and Mexicans. It was my first contact with something different and exotic. And that was the main reason, the plant looked, smelled and specially smoked so different to all the other weed tried before!! After smoking that weed with floral, spicy and carrot smell we ended with our hearts rushing, dancing, laughing and eager to do stuff! If you didn't go to hang out, you will probably end washing all the dishes or cleaning the kitchen as it happened to me more than once! I got few friends who were just starting shouting and jumping like if they were on coke! Party weed all day every day! :biggrin:

We all loved to those plants and I certainly got hooked on them. I started getting more involved with the cannabis world and spent my time studying all this old articles on landraces, oldschool weed, strains from the 70s, the old Mexicans, Jamaicans, African weed…. looking through the threads and articles from LMN, Rahan, Motaco, DJ Short, Skunkman, the aussie guys and many other great growers who were experimenting and sharing their experiences with all kinds of exotic plants from all over the world. I learned about the cannabis history and how many strains got lost with the prohibition and the dutch cannabis era, so it wasn’t just about a personal taste and preference but a whole way of thinking because of my own ecologist approach to life.

Since then, I truly love this tropical and exotic strains and instead of just growing for stash, I find much more rewarding and fulfilling growing to study and preserve this strains and having all this personal projects with them. I never smoked a lot so growing and playing with strains or even studying cannabis was always more interesting and fulfilling to me.

As for the so called sativas… I agree with the latest studies on cannabis species, taxonomy issues and how they evolved. All drug plants seem to have evolved from the same ancestral Cannabis Indica strains in Central Asia and got spread all into the Himalayas, India, Hindu Kush and even Africa from there. As the human trade migrations spread the seeds, cannabis evolved in each region (and climate) resulting in the many ecotypes and landraces that existed since then. Cannabis Sativa were just the hemp and feral strains that spreaded through Europe and to the north, rather than into tropical areas. I think we should promote this knowledge and educate people too.

I also think we have much to thank to the Indian culture who was probably the first one in growing ganja for the only purpose of harvesting seedless buds for both spiritual and medicinal purposes, rather than for hash, seeds or fiber. Also most strains could have been spread by the Indian Coolies and sugar cane farm workers in my opinion, into Africa, Indonesia, Madagascar and even Jamaica or America by extension. With their seeds, also their ganja growing culture and vocabulary. This Indian ganja could be the ancestor of all ganja strains many years ago and the ancient Chinese strains, the ancestors of other SE Asian strains.

So yeah, I love growing all this pure tropical strians and enjoying their special highs and different qualities, their exotic smells, leaf shapes, etc… but I love growing as well starins from the arid northern areas as Hindu Kush or the Himalayas for instance, good for relaxing and watching a movie, etc.

So far, my best experiences were with some Thais and Congolese. Clearly that party weed I look for, energetic, a little bit racy and clean effect rather than relaxing, dreamy or couchlocking. Of course there is also moment for medicinal kushes before going to sleep or when there are pains to calm down, but meanwhile, let’s bring something for day smoke and not the stupifying commercial strains.

I’m mostly interested in African strains and SE Asian strains and it will be the starting point for my quest… I’ve been trying to gather a few different strains to look for my favourites and work with them. Oldschool Mexicans, Jamaicans and South Indians are in my list too.
 

huligun

Professor Organic Psychology
Veteran
I too, subscribe to the thought that all cannabis originated from Adam and Eve. I further agree that this birth place was the sub continent India.

All things that we ear or smoke come from one particular region of the world and our use of it has been primarily our adapting plants to live in our ecosystem. The plants adapt and sort themselves out in an effort to live and propagate where ever they are. In the past 600 years food and smoke has crossed all continents and because of this the human population on earth has multiplied many times.

Europe had been the primary broker for this interchange of species in that tobacco, corn, beans and potatoes were brought into Europe from the Americas, honey bees and cannabis brought into the Americas. Species of plants, animals and humans know no real boundaries and adapt were they must, and propagate those that do adapt, perish those that do not.
 

igrowone

Well-known member
Veteran
a fine thread, lots of genetic lore for growers
like many others here, sativa's were what were available back in the late 60's/early 70's
and the mexican's ruled the market for quite a while, lot of so so, some trash, some very special ones that came by seldom
but then as now, a harder hitting stone crowds out the subtle, the spiritual
many of the columbians(not all) were something like the hybrid indica's of today, even though they were 'pure' sativa
more body, stronger stonier effect
in short, you don't know what you're missing until it's gone
 

yesum

Well-known member
ICMag Donor
Veteran
From what I read and the little amount of Colombian I smoked, agree with the Lumbo being a hybrid or hash plant.

I read in High Times that a guy that studied this plant thought it was crossed with a indica. Or was just a indica hash plant acclimatized to Colombia, thus going somewhat sativa.
 

The Hatter

Member
Veteran
I started growing pure tropical plants some years ago (notice that I try not to keep using the traditional term “sativas”). After I started smoking and growing commercial stuff as White Widow, AK47, SuperSkunk and so on (it was the dutch strains golden era and the only strains sold at the shops) we got our hands once in a few Congolese seeds shared by a fellow grower with me. All the atlantic maritime areas of Spain were a place where ships from Africa stopped often, sometimes they carried seeds and weed for selling so we had many Africans in Spain as our American fellas had oldschool Colombian and Mexicans. It was my first contact with something different and exotic. And that was the main reason, the plant looked, smelled and specially smoked so different to all the other weed tried before!! After smoking that weed with floral, spicy and carrot smell we ended with our hearts rushing, dancing, laughing and eager to do stuff! If you didn't go to hang out, you will probably end washing all the dishes or cleaking the kitchen as it happened to me more than once! I got few friends who were just starting shouting and jumping like if they were on coke! Party weed all day every day! :biggrin:

We all loved to those plants and I certainly got hooked on them. I started getting more involved with the cannabis world and spent my time studying all this old articles on landraces, oldschool weed, strains from the 70s, the old Mexicans, Jamaicans, African weed…. looking through the threads and articles from LMN, Rahan, Motaco, DJ Short, Skunkman, the aussie guys and many other great growers who were experimenting and sharing their experiences with all kinds of exotic plants from all over the world. I learned about the cannabis history and how many strains got lost with the prohibition and the dutch cannabis era, so it wasn’t just about a personal taste and preference but a whole way of thinking because of my own ecologist approach to life.

Since then, I truly love this tropical and exotic strains and instead of just growing for stash, I find much more rewarding and fulfilling growing to study and preserve this strains and having all this personal projects with them. I never smoked a lot so growing and playing with strains or even studying cannabis was always more interesting and fulfilling for me.

As for the so called sativas… I agree with the latest studies on cannabis species, taxonomy issues and how it evolved. All drug plants seem to have evolved from the same ancestral Cannabis Indica strains in Central Asia and got spread all into the Himalayas, India, Hindu Kush and even Africa from there. As the human trade migrations spread the seeds, cannabis evolved in each region (and climate) resulting in the many ecotypes and landraces that existed since then. Cannabis Sativa were just the hemp and feral strains that spreaded though Europe and to the north, rather than into tropical areas. I think we should promote this knowledge and educate people too.

I also think we have much to thank to the Indian culture who was probably the first one in growing ganja for the only purpose of harvesting seedless buds for both spiritual and medicinal purposes, rather than for hash, seeds or fiber. Also most strains could have been spread by the Indian Coolies and sugar cane farm workers in my opinion, into Africa, Indonesia, Madagascar and even Jamaica or America by extension. With their seeds, also their ganja growing culture and vocabulary. This Indian ganja could be the ancestor of all ganja strains many years ago and the ancient Chinese strains, the ancestors of other SE Asian strains.

So yeah, I love growing all this pure tropical indicas and enjoying their special highs and different qualities, their exotic smells, leaf shapes, etc… but I love growing as well Indicas from the arid northern areas as Hindu Kush or the Himalayas for instance, good for relaxing and watching a movie, etc.

So far, my best experiences were with some Thais and Congolese. Clearly that party weed I look for, energetic, a little bit racy and clean effect rather than relaxing, dreamy or couchlocking. Of course there is also moment for medicinal kushes before going to sleep or when there are pains to calm down, but meanwhile, let’s bring some for day smoke and not the stupefying commercial strains.

I’m mostly interested in African strains and SE Asian strains and it will be the starting point for my quest… I’ve been trying to gather a few different strains to look for my favourites and work with them. Oldschool Mexicans, Jamaicans and South Indians are in my list too.

A very informative post. I would love to see some genetic mapping done of cannabis to give us a definitive family tree. Although the consensus at the moment does appear to be that all cannabis is related to an original indica stock that was then spread globally by humans I'm not so certain this is the case. Some of the "Ruderalis" strains in particular don't really seem to fit well with the other landrace strains that are found in the same areas but perhaps I just underestimate how quickly and divergently the plant can evolve once set free upon the land.

My personal interests lean toward what people describe as highland sativas. Those "sativa" landrace strains that tend to be relatively close to the equator but which have adapted to very high altitudes seem to retain many of the chemotypes you find in the tropical lowland plants but they tend to flower much more quickly and they tend to be quite resistant to unstable growing conditions.
 

Skunkenstein

Active member
@Mustafunk..WOW..so elequently Spoken.Felt like I was reading the Preface to the History of Cannabis in a Collage Text Book.. Bravo, well said. Ganja grown by you will surely Flourish!!
 

KillerDemo

Active member
I smoked pure burmese. Had a spicy smell/flavor Wow that stuff was potent and was so great for the daytime when you had to get things done. Wish I could find pure burmese but all i see is burmese kush and crosses
 
B

BasementGrower

ud be surprised what the Mexicans are using for genetics nowadays..
they are trying to compete with cali outdoors and other outdoors mids and swag.. so yes they are going to buy genetics and work on getting there quality up .. so they can make more money.. someone must of talked to them about it.. and convinced the growers to grow better genetics.. because ive seen some crazy mids.. I don't smoke it. kuz I rather not.. but a few mids I seen lately. have been better then some of the buds people in my area GROW Themselves.!

don't get me wrong. my first grow I grew out 10 bag seeds.. ended up getting a plant I called SkunkBerries because it was so ridiculously skunky. with a taste of berries and shit..

it ended up hermieing after a few grows.. but that being said ya u can get decent smoke from swag bagseed.... me personally.. I don't pop seeds from bags that I buy unless the bud I bought was extremely good and I wanted to see how good the seeds can be.. but honestly. ive grown a bunch of bagseeds outdoors.. and had some decentshit pop out.. lol

for me tho.. I like knowing the genetics. I like knowing what male was used to hit which female.. or which female hit the other female. for fems. iunno Lineage is something that is very important to me. I like making my own crosses.. and not knowing what genetics are being used is kinda pointless unless its out of this world good.
 

M.R.GT

Well-known member
Veteran
Oaxaca trip weed almost scary. like dropping some blotter or micro dot.

Durbin poison decent but a little speedy. old SSSC Durbin Thai better if you like the taste and DTC99 even better. all 3 easy to over indulge and end up paranoid and hiding in the closet or outside in the dark chasing shadows.

Favorite Columbian gold. The all time LMFAO party weed.
 

#1cheesebuds

Well-known member
Veteran
I love pure sativa. :) the one in the first pic is that kind of sativa that punches you in the face. it hits you 4-6 minutes after u smoke it. :)
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The Hatter

Member
Veteran
ud be surprised what the Mexicans are using for genetics nowadays..
they are trying to compete with cali outdoors and other outdoors mids and swag.. so yes they are going to buy genetics and work on getting there quality up .. so they can make more money.. someone must of talked to them about it.. and convinced the growers to grow better genetics.. because ive seen some crazy mids.. I don't smoke it. kuz I rather not.. but a few mids I seen lately. have been better then some of the buds people in my area GROW Themselves.!

Yeah, the Mexican brick you see around now doesn't have much in common with the stuff that was around even a couple of decades ago. It's generally no longer the old school land race genetics but rather a mix bag of local genes and a load of commercial genetics they have imported.
 
S

sourpuss

Ill go find the one in a million, visual euphoric racy happy buzz and start breedin...
 

Bud Green

I dig dirt
Veteran
boy, ain't that the truth...

boy, ain't that the truth...

Im pretty sure that brown mexican brick weed with all the seeds I used to get back in the day when I was a kid was pure sativa. Man I shoulda kept some seeds. :rasta:

boy, ain't that the truth...

When I graduated in 1972, I had already decided I would figure out a way to get to Jamaica. It was better than most of the Mex I'd had, with few exeption...Took me 2 1/2 months traveling time to get to Jah in December of 1972...Met a guy way back in the hills with a shed full of shelves full of 1 gallon paintcans...I would bet this "collie" was pure sativa...Full of stems and seeds for sure, but "Gosh Was It Good" i bought half a can from him.. it cost $8 bucks...
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zachrockbadenof

Well-known member
Veteran
we were discussing this the other day amongth 4-5 of us 'older' heads... in the late 60's/early 70's it was all mex or Colombian weed, and sure it was pure sativa... seeds/stems and all.. and quite a bit of it was very good...

today's weed has all been bastardnized... it gets u high, but it ain't the same... to those who say its stronger today then yesteryear I say...bullshit... give me some black Colombian from 69...

now maybe 40+yrs of smoking has dulled the senses a wee bit... but the above is my story and I'm stickin to it...
 
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