Why is England so dry???

specialk · Dec 18, 2007

Everyone i know either havent had decent buds in quite some time or sells terrible shwag.

And i mean friends even in London telling me its hard to find and im still waiting for a connection to come through for me.

Whats it like where u live, how good is the quality and how available it is??

funk_buddha · Dec 18, 2007

Canada dude, self explanatory sortof. I feel your pain though.

I read something somewhere about how the canadian dollar affected our weed sales to the states, the demand suddenly dropped. So now there's somewhat of a flood wave headed our way?

Quality varies, normally the entire range is available and i know i dont even have good connections. But usually if i can afford if i can get it if i really want.

Good luck to you, the rain will come eventually.

ojd · Dec 18, 2007

all over the uk these days is dry

if there is any bud it is so shit it not worth the time

the import isnt coming in anymore,and if it is is got gritt on it
no more quality hash anymore,i keep hearing of soapbar these days,whats going on
we need some quality hash to come in again
tons of it
some rich guy needs to bring tons of bubly morrocan in and make a wedge and keep us all happy

Backdoor man · Dec 18, 2007

Sadly it is all about supply on demand, if people refused to buy soapbar and the disgusting grit filled bud, both of which are unsmokable and dangerous in my opinion, then the scum responsible for production would have no option but to raise their game or go bust.

The gritty bud is a relatively new thing were i live in the North west but that soapbar has been around for well over a decade, it is virtually impossible to buy any other kind of resin here, yet all too many seem perfectly content with the shite, i know people who would prefer to buy about an 8th of that for a tenner rather than an 8th of decent bud for twenty, i dont know what goes on in their heads but i know plenty of them, must be some kind of placebo effect because all ive ever felt after smoking it is a slight headache, lethargy and a bad taste in my mouth.

I came to the realisation a few years ago that most people are idiots, this is just another kind of confirmation of it to me.

b8man · Dec 18, 2007

Remember that Britain is still clamping down on cannabis operations. The dealers have probably moved to other drugs that aren't as risky. Like meth and crack. And isn't there a flood of Afghan heroin on the streets?

Well done cops for making the world a safer place (for hard drug dealers) and a more dangerous place for cannabis smokers. Sensible policies for a better britain.

Guest · Dec 18, 2007

unfortunately unless u have your own supply or you are close to a grower u gonna be getting zilch or crap :badday:

,,,only solution grow your own

Backdoor man · Dec 18, 2007

The cops have certianly been busying themselves around these parts busting up small gardens, it disgusts me that at anytime i might become a victim of such an "assault", leaving me no option if i want a smoke to go to the criminals and buy their sub-standard potentially health hazardous poisonweeds.

It is well known that the "Russian" mafia is well established in London now, with the likes of Boris Berezovsky cosying up with the British establishment and political elite, is it too much a "crazy conspiracy theory" to question whether these international criminals are using Britains degenerate Nu-Labour politicos to monopolize a multi-million pound industry?

One thing is for sure, our National health service is going to need some serious money if it is to cope with the casualties of soapbar and gritweed in a few years time when their lungs have had enough of the poisoning, someone should sue the government now for doing this to people

EddieShoestring · Dec 18, 2007

one or two points

over the past, say, 5 years the bulk of the canna consumed in the uk has shifted from import to ukproduced. And the market became overly dependant on a small number of groups/gangs-who in the end were generating vast revenues from their sprawling Ops. They got too big too fast and so the police took alot of them down. There is also a political dimension to it with a backlash to the re-classification from Class B to C-and with politicians feeling that they have to respond to the mental health propoganda being pumped out by the Rupert Murdochs media machine-so taking down growrooms is very easy and looks as if they are doing something.

They have caused a drought and driven the price of weed up-which was their stated objective but because of the total availability of super cheap Class A drugs they have also fuelled the massive c*ke epidemic currently sweeping the country.
I don't think that was in the plan.

eddie

Mr. Nevermind · Dec 18, 2007

Dont depend on another man to help your situation. You can only depend on yourself. DOnt worry about places being dry, use it as a lesson. So its dry today? Cool! Log onto seedbay and get a pack of beans. Pop them bitches and grow em out. This time 4 months or so from now the place willl have more smoke then yoou know what to do with. Save your $$, dont give it to weed dealers. Invest in your own gear. If everyone would just say **** dealers and the black market and grew their own the government wouldnt be able to stop us

Nevermind

Dkgrower · Dec 18, 2007

EddieShoestring said:
one or two points

over the past, say, 5 years the bulk of the canna consumed in the uk has shifted from import to ukproduced. And the market became overly dependant on a small number of groups/gangs-who in the end were generating vast revenues from their sprawling Ops. They got too big too fast and so the police took alot of them down. There is also a political dimension to it with a backlash to the re-classification from Class B to C-and with politicians feeling that they have to respond to the mental health propoganda being pumped out by the Rupert Murdochs media machine-so taking down growrooms is very easy and looks as if they are doing something.

They have caused a drought and driven the price of weed up-which was their stated objective but because of the total availability of super cheap Class A drugs they have also fuelled the massive c*ke epidemic currently sweeping the country.
I don't think that was in the plan.

eddie

Intersting points you raise eddie, thanks fore the insight, was not aware that england where close to being selfsurfince with local grown cannabis.

I am not english but in denmark, we have also seen a raise in price fore imported hashish, the home grown weed has not changed much the last 5 to 10years. Many in my forest talk abouth, the european union funding appel felids in marokko is a part off the raise in prices also some off the huge transports networks that have been busted in spain, many also raise as a point/excuse fore the price being raised.

personlay i think that the biggest factor is that the face off the hashish smugler has changed, from the hippy and his half ton in his camper or a sailboat full off hashish, to much more organized groups that almost dominate the import/transport off euporean hashish market and that have lowered the quality and raised prices,

Grow your own and to freinds -

Harry Gypsna · Dec 18, 2007

at the end of the day the criminals who smuggle the shit in know they can a lot more money if they smuggle in the semi decent morroccan and turn into shitbar...its that simple as far as resin goes.... in terms of weed.... unless ur very well connected youll either be buying gritweed or massive yielding piss-poor shyte..
Really makes me angry, especially when theres all these young teens smoking soap thinking its all ther is to cannabis1.... they base their whole opinion on cannabios on something that only just barely got cannabis in

British_Bulldog · Dec 18, 2007

EddieShoestring said:
They have caused a drought and driven the price of weed up-which was their stated objective but because of the total availability of super cheap Class A drugs they have also fuelled the massive c*ke epidemic currently sweeping the country.

eddie

Talking about epidemics, Vietnamese and Chinese grows are literally all over the UK, and are getting busted with hundreds of plants every day (bbc.co.uk news). It's always the same set-up, and they seem to be the main growers in the UK now, but where is all the bud going??

They can't all be getting busted, and I would have thought by now the UK would be flooded with good buds, and the soap and grit weed markets would have been overwhelmed by the new oriental growers.

As I've not been involved in the commercial buyers market in the UK for many years, if someone with knowledge about this could please enlighten me, it'd be much appreciated. Thanks.

Peace

Harry Gypsna · Dec 18, 2007

the gangs r the ones growing the high yielding mediocre shit i mentioned...thats why the super psychosis making skunk story is so ironic when the try to tie it into thesse gangs...,coz theyre noit growing good weed, they growing ****ing big bud 9 times out of lol

British_Bulldog · Dec 18, 2007

Harry Gypsna said:
the gangs r the ones growing the high yielding mediocre shit i mentioned...thats why the super psychosis making skunk story is so ironic when the try to tie it into thesse gangs...,coz theyre noit growing good weed, they growing ****ing big bud 9 times out of lol

Hi Harry,

Thanks for the info & surely it's better to have a market flooded with mediocre clean buds, than dogbar or gritweed.

However, saying that, my ultimate question is: Why is the market not flooded yet? Surely there are only a certain amount of smokers and people who will buy buds (in preference to cackbar), and many many oriental gardens around, so why then is the supply not outstripping demand??

i.e. what on Earth is happening to these 1000's of kilos they are pumping out every week?!!

Peace

THCV · Dec 18, 2007

man, i had no idea it was so bad in the UK! Sorry, gents, i really feel for you. And that sure does explain why every single person in London seems to be a cokehead. I heard ecstasy is a pound a pill. True? If so, it's like $25 here so maybe you should do more X! :biglaugh:

seriously, with the class C change and the advent of UK elite strains (cheese) and mags like Weed World, i thought you guys were having the same surge of quality indoor that we are having in the US. guess not. but maybe in time--you best get growing!

EddieShoestring · Dec 19, 2007

Hi guys

i think DKgrower makes a good point about the drug eradication schemes in Morrocco and its effect on the European scene-

British Bulldog-no the cops didn't get ALL the Viet/Chinese Ops-but after a period of relative inactivity on weed growing they have more recently hit it really hard-creating (unless someone gets their shit together fast) long term under supply. And they seem to be keeping up the pressure on commercial ops. Harry is right-its these crews that churn out wet 6week cabbage and , in part, what seems to have happened is that when they got going full steam, a few years ago, the price and general standard of weed available fell. Now some of their dodgy practices have caught on with many commercial ukgrowers. What we are seeing now is the effect of this-made worse by the fact that imports have dropped right off.

cheers
eddie

British_Bulldog · Dec 19, 2007

Hi and thanks for the heads up Eddie,

I've heard of wet weed going around at the moment, and didn't realise it was the oriental gangs doing this.

When you say "dodgy practices", what do you mean please? Of course selling wet, unfinished herb is one, but what about other practices you seem to be inferring, that UK growers are using as well, please?

Will the UK ever sort its act out? I'm not so sure....I thought things were on the up, but now it turns out things are actually in decline!

What the hell is going on in the UK??? Sh!tty soap bar, grit/brix'd weed, now wet weed and an inherent lack of supply.

...thinking back to even the 1990's, there was a vast supply of mid-grade hash around, and before that masses of goodies like Leb, etc, but since the mid-90's it's gone from bad to worse.

Even those in the know, like UK'ers on ICmag, are struggling to get nice wares now....a sorry state of affairs.

Peace

Backdoor man · Dec 19, 2007

Here in the North West, rightly or wrongly it is the Asian Pakistani 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant growers taking the wrap for the gritweed - i honestly dont know if there is any truth to this but it is and has been the word on the street for sometime now - people commonly call the stuff "Pakigreen".
I have'nt seen any kind of evidence that any of this is true, anyone in the know - know?

Guest · Dec 19, 2007

the hash smugglers of old now smuggle in ciggies ,coke and smack ,,
loads money on the cigs less bird ,,the coke and smack they just get super rich off and risk the 10 stretch

the coutries left to smoke homegrown weed of inferior quality or hash thats been processed by the foreign gangs,,,

grow ya own

gramsci.antonio · Dec 19, 2007

British_Bulldog said:
...thinking back to even the 1990's, there was a vast supply of mid-grade hash around, and before that masses of goodies like Leb, etc, but since the mid-90's it's gone from bad to worse.

It's the same in all europe. In the 90s you could get very good hash for cheap.

Then wars, laws and inflaction reduced the quality and increased the price.

Another thing: also the gritweed/wetweed was good once. Then an ignorant criminal, trying to make more money, sealed it fresh in a plastic bag and sold it before it was the time to crop.

In my country, being close to marocco, you can find some very good hash, but big pushers place glass or flour in the weed to make it weigh more.

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