Put a gasoline water pump in a hole for less noise ?

Gizmo · Feb 14, 2016

Hello guys,

Still on the quest of the best solution to fill my reservoir for my outdoor guerilla grow, i have considered the DIY water pump, the drill pump and now im coming back to an easier and cheaper solution, a gasoline water pump, i was thinking of a gas pump but it seems to be not very common where iam.

I found a small and cheap gasoline water pump, its light weight and running it a few minutes will be enough to fill my 70-100 gallons reservoir. My concern in this scenario will be the noise so i was thinking to put the pump in a 2 feet deep hole and build some sort of cover with some sturdy soil bag between two layers of a soundproofing material. what do you think guys ?

Gizmo · Feb 14, 2016

ok thank you WiseOne you're right a cover is not a good idea, im planning to run it once a week very early in the morning maybe 4 or 5am.
how deep do you think i must put the pump ?

stoned-trout · Feb 14, 2016

rv water pump or marine for stealth...harbor freight ..cant run em more than like half an hour....yeehaw..I got 2 and a warrantee once ..one did fail glad I had backup and free replace of broken one..run on the car jump start battery..not too heavy..gas pumps are loud any way you look at it...

DoubleTripleOG · Feb 14, 2016

stoned-trout said:
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Yup, that or even a large pond pump, hooked up to a deep cycle marine battery. No noise at all then.

Andyo · Feb 14, 2016

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I used one for 8 years,2 x 100 gall tanks and flooding the patch
were guys fishing 150 yds away ,
Yes in a hole but with silencer and air intake sorted,.
Id considered using and exhaust silencer in a 75 gallon barrel of water . but had better idea the guy that owned the fishing lakes gave me permission to grow so i bought him same pump for waterfall for oxygen.

CoCoSativas · Feb 14, 2016

DoubleTripleOG said:
Yup, that or even a large pond pump, hooked up to a deep cycle marine battery. No noise at all then.

This was what i was going to say was use a electric pump and a boat battery haha! Thats how its done fuck a gas pump load, more likely to break, eats gas and requires air and ventilation.

redlaser · Feb 14, 2016

Battery and pump are ideal, never had to use it higher than twenty foot from the water source though.

Gizmo · Feb 14, 2016

stoned-trout said:
[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=56595&pictureid=1465162&thumb=1]View Image[/URL] [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=56595&pictureid=1465152&thumb=1]View Image[/URL] rv water pump or marine for stealth...harbor freight ..cant run em more than like half an hour....yeehaw..I got 2 and a warrantee once ..one did fail glad I had backup and free replace of broken one..run on the car jump start battery..not too heavy..gas pumps are loud any way you look at it...

wonderfull ! thank you very much stoned-trout, i learn a little more every day, i did not know these pumps either. so i forget the gas and gasoline pumps.
i found this wayne Portable 12V Battery-Powered Water Transfer Pump, its looks good

Gizmo · Feb 14, 2016

DoubleTripleOG said:
Yup, that or even a large pond pump, hooked up to a deep cycle marine battery. No noise at all then.

a large pond pump will move more water if im not mistaken but what is the difference between a car battery and a deep cycle marine battery ? more autonomy ? i just saw deep cycle marine battery on walmart site but im in europe and im not sure we have this.

Gizmo · Feb 14, 2016

WiseOne said:
If you are watering away in your plot, and you can hear the pump purring away at the water source, and then it suddenly stops, be worried.

You might leave your patch to go and see why the pump stopped, and there is LEO standing next to it with a smile on his face.

Was always a recurring nightmare of mine.

The Portable Battery-Powered Water Pump looks like the best solution for both stealth and efficiency. i was a bit scared by the idea of the noise of the gasoline water pump to be honest.

DoubleTripleOG · Feb 14, 2016

Gizmo said:
wonderfull ! thank you very much stoned-trout, i learn a little more every day, i did not know these pumps either. so i forget the gas and gasoline pumps.
i found this wayne Portable 12V Battery-Powered Water Transfer Pump, its looks good
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That's perfect, even comes with the alligator clips attached to the cord. When I wrote that response yesterday, the pic in my head, had an extension cord with alligator clips.

A deep cycle marine battery is meant to hold more juice, for longer periods of time, without dying. That's why hey cost 2x as much as a standard car battery.

Gizmo · Feb 14, 2016

WiseOne said:
Check the "head" listed on the pump. The "head" is how high the pump can pump water.

For example if the head listed for the pump is 2 metres, and your grow is 3 metres above the water source, then it wont be able to pump it to your site.

i found these informations on the notice of the pump i posted :
The inlet or suction hose should not
be longer than 15 feet; and the vertical
distance between the pump and the
water level should not be any higher
than 10 feet. The maximum discharge
height is 30 feet.

not bad but could be better

Gizmo · Feb 14, 2016

DoubleTripleOG said:
That's perfect, even comes with the alligator clips attached to the cord. When I wrote that response yesterday, the pic in my head, had an extension cord with alligator clips.

A deep cycle marine battery is meant to hold more juice, for longer periods of time, without dying. That's why hey cost 2x as much as a standard car battery.

ok thank you very much, i did not find deep cycle marine battery where iam but i feel a car battery will do the job, my question is how long this car batterie last ? and a stupid question maybe but is it rechargeable ?

stoned-trout · Feb 14, 2016

WiseOne said:
Check the "head" listed on the pump. The "head" is how high the pump can pump water.

For example if the head listed for the pump is 2 metres, and your grow is 3 metres above the water source, then it wont be able to pump it to your site.

ya that...I pumped a long ass way with mine....read the specs on pump...yeehaw..mine was uphill a bit so I ran line higher than needed up the hill than down at an angle... after your get it started gravity/suction helps it along...I used a battery from one of those car jump start battery packs...worked great and was easy to transport..i don't think the average pond pump would pump as far

atk7 · Feb 14, 2016

Gizmo said:
ok thank you very much, i did not find deep cycle marine battery where iam but i feel a car battery will do the job, my question is how long this car batterie last ? and a stupid question maybe but is it rechargeable ?

yes car batteries are rechargeable . And it should last long enough to pump at least 150-200 gal with the pump you found before the batt will need a recharge . I have a similar set up and have a small solar panel tied to it while not in use and it keeps the batt at full charge between uses, as they are heavy and it can be cumbersome to haul in and out to recharge . The trick is to hide the solar panel but have it exposed to sun so it will charge.

Bubbamaniac · Feb 14, 2016

I would worry about burying the pum, or putting it into a hole and then having ground water fill the hole or rain. Let's face it every time a storm rolls in you can't always run out tithe garden. We used a backhoe to dig a water hole at the top of the hill, and then just used gravity and siphoning to get the water rolling when we needed it. I've seen the same thing done in the woods with tarps used as the bottom, and then camouflage over it (broken sticks, plants etc) as a disguise. Petro powered pumps are loud and often attract unwanted attention.

Gizmo · Feb 14, 2016

atk7 said:
yes car batteries are rechargeable . And it should last long enough to pump at least 150-200 gal with the pump you found before the batt will need a recharge . I have a similar set up and have a small solar panel tied to it while not in use and it keeps the batt at full charge between uses, as they are heavy and it can be cumbersome to haul in and out to recharge . The trick is to hide the solar panel but have it exposed to sun so it will charge.

ok 150-200 gallons is not much, i was hopping the battery could last longer, its a very interesting idea about the solar panel, i just made a research about it, i read it needs a charge regulator to keep battery from overcharging, do you use it ? and what solar panel wattage do you use please ? i read a 10-15 watts is enough for a car battery

Gizmo · Feb 14, 2016

i think i will buy a battery charger, i cant take the risk to hang a solar panel in a tree if pigs fly in helicopter, we are in state of emergency here and it will not ends soon i feel so i think my back could support a 50lbs battery 4 times a month :biggrin:

St. Phatty · Feb 14, 2016

atk7 said:
yes car batteries are rechargeable . And it should last long enough to pump at least 150-200 gal with the pump you found before the batt will need a recharge . I have a similar set up and have a small solar panel tied to it while not in use and it keeps the batt at full charge between uses, as they are heavy and it can be cumbersome to haul in and out to recharge . The trick is to hide the solar panel but have it exposed to sun so it will charge.

exactly what I was thinking about - first about a DC powered pump, and then how to re-charge it.

I have a solar panel that is 24 x 24 inches. Official rating is 50 watts but the most I've been able to get out of it is 35 watts in California sunshine, measured with a big resistor for a load.

That one puts out 19 volts unloaded, 17 volts loaded.

I think some people would attach it to the 12 volt battery directly.

Others would put in a little intermediate circuit.

Of course, the problem with the panel (in the sun) is what someone said, it violates the Stealth principle.

One possibility is to put the solar panel in a shaded area, e.g. so that a bush is above it. I have bushes that are like a 50% shade-cloth - a solar panel would get some sun.

And since it's a little over-voltage anyway - in the sun - a shaded location for a solar panel that is powering a remote use battery might be perfectly good - and decently stealthy.

Tonygreen · Feb 14, 2016

two batteries and switch em out, then canc harge one at home, might suck hauling it tho.
If you can source the deep cycle it will last longer.

Also a thought, if you buy the good batteries from auto parts store they usually got lifetime warranty heh.

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