Cloning without lights, success.

Japanfreakier · Aug 31, 2010

Some of us tested the idea in this thread
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=185937

Results were that cuts put into an aero-cloner without lighting were able to root with no problem. (thanks to Mule420 for running the experiment)

For most people this will mean nothing, but for some it might mean the world.

The experiment was done in an aero-cloner but now that it was successful I would really like to ask more people to run the experiment using different cloning methods. So if there are any awesome growers who have their cloning method down it would be great if you could verify the results.

RandomGuy00001 · Aug 31, 2010

I've been waiting on the results!

Japan & mule, thanks for the info's. I hope more people decide to test this out and post the results back.

--RG1

mule420 · Aug 31, 2010

Thanks JF! You got any other wacky ideas let me know!

I will get some better pics of them. And move the not so good ones over here...

When I cut clones I get roots in 5-7 days with EWC tea and a 8 tube T-5 with 24-0

I cut the 6 clones from 6 strains the same way then into the cloner and I put the cloner in a box and sealed it. When I opened it 6 days later I was really surprised to see any plants alive. I had roots on 3 out of 5.

I say 5 because one was killed by a rolling weight used to stop the top from leaking...

Since I'm able to further this experiment with my plant counts we will go ahead and grow these out and I will document it here. Also I will be running a head to head grow off in the near future, with light dep clones and regular 24-0 clones...

Some say this is pointless... I think it's research on a micro level! And to put it bluntly :dance013:

JF has balls of steel to grow and show like he does. So if I can help the man to answer a question he has??? By all means just ask,,, the cat has helped you hempy heads a little I see

Peace and puffs people more to come! :artist:

mule420 · Sep 2, 2010

Hey guys I didn't want to say anything till I had pics. If you notice two of the three that rooted in the dark have strange growth it's like the plant started going albino. It looks like mold or pm but it's not! If you look at them closely you will see transparent shoots starting to take off??? Remind's me of cave fish... The other one {middle pics} has a small strange growth but nothing like the other two... Thoughts? The plants are doing well and I will grow them out to see if the strange anomaly has any effect on the plants. It might be strain related... I will be keeping notes on this one for sure! peace and puffs

Small anomaly

The worst or best one depending...

Japanfreakier · Sep 2, 2010

looks like damping off to me. Looking at the pics it looks like the cloner and the plants get wet above the box a bit.

flyer · Sep 2, 2010

hey nice experiement jap and mule,
mule- what temp were they when u had them in the box? and add any kind of nute in the cloner or just plain water? ph? ppm?

Blowstrees · Sep 2, 2010

So not that it isn't great that roots formed....but really.....what would the point of this be?

What would be the benificial factor in rooting in the dark and what differences are you exactly looking to see in the clones from dark or not?

Plants are able to overcome some pretty incredible circumstances so I don't see the value in stressing your plants by causing an unnatural light cycle...makes zero sense.

mule420 · Sep 2, 2010

Japanfreakier said:
looks like damping off to me. Looking at the pics it looks like the cloner and the plants get wet above the box a bit.

Bro I'm a dumbass! Rooting gel is what made those marks... I'm almost out of gel so I tip the jar with my left hand and dip with my right, then when I go to make the 45 cut on the end I grab the plant right in that spot....... :dance013:

Wont happen again! Peace and puffs

mule420 · Sep 2, 2010

flyer said:
hey nice experiement jap and mule,
mule- what temp were they when u had them in the box? and add any kind of nute in the cloner or just plain water? ph? ppm?

The temps where the box sits stays below 75*F. I have a remote temp probe for next time.

In the cloner I used EWC tea I made out of Ancient Forest soil mix and Super Endo with some potash and sugar daddy bubbled for 24 hrs then strained off and put in the fridge. There are a lot of EWC recipes all over this site...

The EWC tea has the ability to fight off root slime and most soil and water born diseases, you can run higher temps in a cloner, increased root mass and yields. Goggle this Mycorrhizae it forms a symbiotic relationship with the plant, it break down micro nutes for the plant also it allows the plant uptake more water and in turn the plant feeds it sugars... Peace and puffs

mule420 · Sep 2, 2010

Blowstrees said:
So not that it isn't great that roots formed....but really.....what would the point of this be?

What would be the benificial factor in rooting in the dark and what differences are you exactly looking to see in the clones from dark or not?

Plants are able to overcome some pretty incredible circumstances so I don't see the value in stressing your plants by causing an unnatural light cycle...makes zero sense.

Like someone said in the other thread...

If you had to cut and run, at least you could fill a box hempy style or coco with cuts and not lose mother plants because you have cuts to grow out... Peace and puffs

El Toker · Sep 2, 2010

Blowstrees said:
So not that it isn't great that roots formed....but really.....what would the point of this be?

What would be the benificial factor in rooting in the dark and what differences are you exactly looking to see in the clones from dark or not?

I'm not sure why you have an issue with this. It's just providing one tiny incremental bit of verified fact for growers like me. Admittedly it's a bit dull if you came here for entertainment rather than to learn something but botany and horticulture aren't intrinsically exciting subjects and someone with a couple of 600 Watters in the shed isn't really going to come up with anything revolutionary that well funded university departments and agricultural researchers across the world have missed.

This is the way it should be, IMHO. I think it's a real shame that we don't see more of this kind of basic research and basic courtesy in more threads.

highonmt · Sep 2, 2010

Well said Toker, this kind of experiment adds another facet to our knowledge of this plant and it's culture and cultivation which is very useful to growers like me. I myself do find botany and horticulture exciting but then again I'm a farmer, forester, and chemist so I guess this stuff is up my alley. Thanks to Jfreaker and others who take the time to do experiments like this and let us know about it.
HM

Scottyboycx · Sep 2, 2010

growers with only 1 room might love this

Japanfreakier · Sep 2, 2010

mule420 said:
Bro I'm a dumbass! Rooting gel is what made those marks.

lol, I had 3 guesses, 1 was salt built up from being splashed from below, 1 was root bumps and 1 was dampening off. All of them I thought were unlikely. That's cool though, first time to see root bumps form above the cloner.

Japanfreakier · Sep 2, 2010

Blowstrees said:
Plants are able to overcome some pretty incredible circumstances so I don't see the value in stressing your plants by causing an unnatural light cycle...makes zero sense.

One of the funny thing about pot boards is that shit gets repeated so much that people actually believe that what they accept as factual has any merit. People need to realize that just because somebody told them something, maybe even a grower they respect, it doesn't mean it's true.

I have seen nothing, read nothing, that says this would stress the plants, nor have you if you were honest about it.

mule420 · Sep 3, 2010

Japanfreakier said:
lol, I had 3 guesses, 1 was salt built up from being splashed from below, 1 was root bumps and 1 was dampening off. All of them I thought were unlikely. That's cool though, first time to see root bumps form above the cloner.

Uh, ya, we got roots coming out below those spots now... So we can root in air also! :blowbubbles:

More testing is needed... :artist:

Crazy, I will get pics... Peace and puffs

Japanfreakier · Sep 3, 2010

Those would be air-roots then. There are some plants that grow on trees that put there roots out into the air and feed off rainwater and bird droppings and such. Cannabis can sometimes have roots that will shoot out near the base and grow right into your medium, I've had a few times, it's pretty cool.

On a side note, many growers (including myself till somebody pointed it out) call roots in dwc that are in the air-gap above the water air roots but from what I've been able to find that's not true, just a hobby name for them.

tequila_sunrise · Sep 3, 2010

Japanfreakier said:
Some of us tested the idea in this thread
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=185937

Results were that cuts put into an aero-cloner without lighting were able to root with no problem. (thanks to Mule420 for running the experiment)

For most people this will mean nothing, but for some it might mean the world.

The experiment was done in an aero-cloner but now that it was successful I would really like to ask more people to run the experiment using different cloning methods. So if there are any awesome growers who have their cloning method down it would be great if you could verify the results.

Fuck yeah dude! That is awesome news that this is possible. I admit i was skeptical when I saw the title of this thread but that makes me want to check it out now! Perfect for me too since I don't have a second cab yet.

Blowstrees · Sep 3, 2010

Toker- All I did was ask the OP what the purpose of the experiment is and what he hoped to find. I did not personally attack him, just questioned his reasoning. The same "basic" courtesy that you refer too I feel should also be extended to those who question the merits of the trial..like me...who did so in a courteous way. One should not assume things about a grower or the resources available to them. Although I will agree with you, that lab testing would be the answer.

JF- Would you be able to reference me to any place on this blue planet, that cannabis is naturally cultivated where the plant experiences week long or longer straight periods of darkness? And are you saying that you have read no where a correlation between photoperiod and plant stress?

kmk420kali · Sep 3, 2010

Blowstrees said:
JF- Would you be able to reference me to any place on this blue planet, that cannabis is naturally cultivated where the plant experiences week long or longer straight periods of darkness? And are you saying that you have read no where a correlation between photoperiod and plant stress?

On this topic....for a clone to root, it has to sustain itself with no nutrients coming in, right??
So, if certain plant's functions...say, photosynthesis, were to be suspended for a bit...would...or at least a possible could...this result in the clone being just a little bit heartier??
At least it is a thought-- :tiphat:

Keeping in mind that optimum lighting for a clone is just a mere 5w's--

Cloning without lights, success.

Active member

Member

Member

Member

Active member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Active member

Member

Active member

Active member

Member

Active member

Active member

Member

Freedom Fighter