The Haze discussion thread

Donald Mallard · Oct 29, 2021

Raco said:
I grew a lot of DC sea of green style and had to prune fan leaves for obvious reasons

Before that I grew DC not SOG...I didnt remove fan leaves ...no difference imo

Huge fan leaves btw

yep same here raco ,
its because of the alternating growth of the leaf on the plants , no leaf is directly overshadowing the bud anyhow ,
and also they are a solar panel , the bud doesnt need direct light when the leaf is doing the job of collecting light to turn to food for it ,
thats how photosynthesis works ,
and in the end , the shade leaf feeds the plant , the plant sucks the last nutrients from it before expelling it ,
they turn yellow and fall off on their own ,
thats the life cycle of a cannabis leaf ...

quite an efficient system , well until man comes along and makes improvements on nature of course ,, lol ...

harvestreaper · Oct 29, 2021

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haze gettin ripe

harvestreaper · Oct 29, 2021

Raco said:
NL you say..
Im guessing Reeferman used a G13/NL ...so you are probably right lol

Someone told me that it looks like poorman's weed

I told him STFU clown

It's herb...not weed

My brother kept the plant for 11 months upstairs... attic... and didnt take care

Yesterday I told him...stop fuckin around and bring her downstairs speedo you fcnk clown

No apparent resin ...very small trichs

Good daytime smoke...not very potent...almost miracle because last fall was not good here....bad weather

Smells coniferous lmao

Evergreen ...cedar...but sweeter...a bit incense

Once again ,leb comes to mind

love that evergreen cedar terp had a beautiful azure haze x jonny blaze keeper that oozed it

ojd · Oct 29, 2021

Defoliation is a technique many people do these days and there is side by side comparisons done by many people online including big grows that show clear yield improvement.

Ive never done it as extreme like most do and most leave some leaves but hempy grows big wild sativas compared to most indica heavy growers.

ojd · Oct 29, 2021

Nevil Haze 21 x Mullumbimby Madness long clone.

Reversed from Female to Reversed Male for a Feminized seed project .

Donald Mallard · Oct 29, 2021

ojd said:
Defoliation is a technique many people do these days and there is side by side comparisons done by many people online including big grows that show clear yield improvement.

Ive never done it as extreme like most do and most leave some leaves but hempy grows big wild sativas compared to most indica heavy growers.

love to see them side by sides of the same cut defoliated and not ,
be interesting to check out id say ...

i can definitely say where i live , no one defoliates ,
but most grow outdoors too ,
the few indoor growers i know , dont defoliate either though ,
must be some ocd thing or something ,or folks with too much time on their hands ....

still im not fussed with whether they do , or dont ,
its up to the individual and how they want to grow of course .,
as long as they are not making up stories and using them as "facts" or "proof" of their technique working ..
im of the opinion that science/botany would agree the more solar panels , the more light that plant can absorb,
the better it can do ....

...CR500AF... · Oct 29, 2021

I defoliate i do not strip every fan leaf i see on the bud though. I work indoor, it is a bit different in that some of the inside top fan should go, but i have also done the no defoliation on the same genetics and i got more leaf for budder, THAT was the only change, oh and a bit more trimming....

PS I am getting older i defoliate less and less every grow now! lol lol lol I defoliate to open the center of the plants up that is all i do it for now...

Hammerhead · Oct 29, 2021

@hempy said:
A cannabis plant that has been over defoliated stops growing it STALLS in short and refocus its energy in leaf growth i know because i experimented i know the limits.

The flowers have leaf and i am a bit confused when i have pictures that show happy healthy large yielding plants i have ( Critics ) telling me i am doing things wrong.

Shade leafs i remove my plants yield big for heavy haze hybrids or sativas.

I wouldn't go as hard on an Afghani but i still would open up the plant to allow more light to penetrate in to the flower sites.

That is just me.

Thast is what I pointed out. We cant see that when you remove all ther fan leaves. That's is where we will see issues. , Rarely on the flowers themselves, its much harder to see.. We all can make plants look better by picking off all the leaves lol. Anyway as said do your thing.

...CR500AF... · Oct 29, 2021

If i could grow outdoor like you guy's, i wouldn't touch a thing other then support them so they will turn into trees.
They would not get like that without those solar panels...

acespicoli · Oct 29, 2021

@hempy said:
How are your plants going to look like my plants if you dont grow the same genetics Hammer ?.

Removing shade leaf increases yield as it opens up the plant to more light.

Their is plenty of leaf on the plant apart from shade leaf.

My objective is to get as much yield from each plant as i can while keeping the plants happy and healthy.

One of the simplest ways to increase yield on a outdoor plant is to grow a plant to a set height and then tie the top down to then have the side branches head up ways and they then branch out. Very old method used on sativas here.

That and the removal of fan leaf was the first things i was told to do as a new grower by an old hippie grower i knew.

Non of this is new.

solid advice, removing the leaf at the proper stage of growth promotes branch and calyx formation also increases light and air flow to the inside of the plant which increases production and decreases chances of bud rot.
done with respect in leaving enough for the plant to live on till it produces more of the "sugar" leaves is a win win

were interested in flower growth not fan leaf production as apposed to one large apex bud it easier to achieve many of the quality tops

Hammerhead · Oct 29, 2021

I cant troubleshoot plant problems with no fan leaves to tell me there not happy. There is no right/wrong way to grow plants. Anything smokable at harvest is a success.

THH 79 days . One shaggy plant.. There are 4 meristems on this plant. There is another taller than this one, she looks the same.

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TheDarkStorm · Oct 30, 2021

OldCoolSativa said:
Great work, OJD. I think your NH21 x MML grail male is a winner, but the proof will be in the smoke test.

Speaking of which, here's a shot at 8 weeks of what I think is the most interesting plant in my current DIY haze project...it's an outback haze #1 (feral pheno) x OJD's grail male. I've not grown Thai before but it looks to me like it leans Thai. Really complex aromas that are hard to describe. Small yields expected but it's showing early signs of fenotrigo bud structure. Hempy, does it look anything like your '78 Thia?

You getting that haze with the camphor sent on that ?.....the buds an stacking look to lean towards the nh21mm...but you seem to have more stretch......ultimately we"l have to see how she smokes....good luck
oh ...my addictive comment regarding outback x 21mm ment I kind of only smoked that...while I had it...Ive ended up smoking it all.....

ps...il pm you with the info you asked about OldCoolSativa....

just a picture I found to add to the thread...not mine....nh#21/mma...thought it looked really cool.......

TheDarkStorm · Oct 30, 2021

@hempy said:
I will just Ignore it all we know were this road leads to.

I will let Cosmic be the Referee in this game.

The leaves normal drop off anyway at that stage.....anyway your buds come out crazy big for the genetics involved......so your doing something right......they look different to other people's stuff cuz they are different to the stuff around today......this is how the haze hybrids used to come out back in the day (more sativa phenotypes) coming from nevils stuff.

@hempy · Oct 30, 2021

TheDarkStorm said:
The leaves normal drop off anyway at that stage.....anyway your buds come out crazy big for the genetics involved......so your doing something right......they look different to other people's stuff cuz they are different to the stuff around today......this is how the haze hybrids used to come out back in the day (more sativa phenotypes) coming from nevils stuff.

Hi Dark they do fall in time but i do what i do from early on and into flower both indoors and out doors.

I have posted this for over two decades now and years later i read some now do defoliate. Like i said i was told to do this by an old hippie when i first started growing out doors.

I got most of my haze genetics long ago and unlike many that cull the long flowering plants i ran and tested every plant. Call it luck but all my Haze lines from NH to MH SSH SHIT-HAZE Afghani Haze few more all were long flowering. People that cull long flowering Haze need to re evaluate.

OldCoolSativa · Oct 30, 2021

@hempy said:
People that cull long flowering Haze need to re evaluate.

I couldn't agree more. Like every other cannabis breeder over the last 40 years, Neville, Sam and Shanti culled plants that flowered for more than 16 weeks. Another example how commercialism of cannabis ruined the weed, or at least the best weed. I wonder if Nevil changed his mind about this in his later years.

Hammerhead · Oct 30, 2021

Why any grow them knowing they are long flowering doesn't make much sense?.

OldCoolSativa · Oct 30, 2021

Hammerhead · Oct 30, 2021

OldCoolSativa said:
Huh?

Im not sure if this is a question for me?..

You guys just said people culling long flowering plants need to re-eval.. My post is in response to that. I guess i wasn't very clear on that.
To me It doesn't make any sense for someone to even grow long flowering genetics if there just gonna cull them/.

Benny106 · Oct 30, 2021

Anything less than 4month flower is mids.

...CR500AF... · Oct 30, 2021

I would love to grow long flowering sativa's but it is just not realistic, you do what you got to do, having to have product for actual meds not just saying that for fun, the turn over tends to be as fast as i can get the run trough, with the odd good run for fun...

The not as fun more for Budder (Meds) are from a high THC rich plant, but with a just a little of CBD...

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